Insomnia

All i can say is if you feel ok then it is ok. I also was worries that i wasnt getting the 8 hours reccomended sleep a day. Guess what who said we need 8 hours? Thats just man made slogan from industrial times, 8hours work 8 hours sleep 8 hours other things. Thing is every person is different and though 2 hours a little that true, i function ok with 5,today for example i slept 2 hours at 2 after fajr and yesterday also slept 3 hours at night 2 after asr, so it all depends on the person if you feel ok just go along with it and dont worry thats just your body

format_quote Originally Posted by Flos

Dear brothers and sisters,

I'm dealing with insomnia for already 5 months. I sleep max 5 hours, and most of the days 2. During the day I'm feeling ok and again in the night I can't fall asleep.

This all started when I quit taking medications I was on for a year. I don't want to go back to the doctor cause I don't want more chemical medications, need to spare my liver.

I'm taking valeriana, drinking some tea, but nothing is helping me out.

I did all routines I found on internet, everything people suggested and nothing works.

Anyone here had similar problem? Is there any sunnah about insomnia?

May Allah make it easy for you sister, ameen and remove this calamity from you ameen. May Allah (Subahanu Wa Talaa) give you a long sleep and rest, ameen.

If you feel fresh sister after five hours and not tired then be thankful. Some people would do anything to get five hours of sleep.

Jzk both of you. The thing is that sometimes I'm very sleepy but can't fall asleep. Actually, not sometimes, most of the times. I'm actually happy when I make it to 5 hours and feel energized, but it's not happening that often. Then sometimes it happens that I fall asleep normally and sleep to long (once in 2 weeks or so), which shows that my body and mind actually need more hours.

well there is another tactic i do and i find it effective. I changed from working day shift to night shift and then night shift to day shift , and to make this huuuge change in from one shift to another in 2 days i stayed awake one day,or slept 2-3 hours,and then slept at the desired time.It will be a torture and you will be super tired but you would fall asleep anytime and sleep a lot because you have been awake for 24 hours lol,so your body will wake up energised and you will want to sleep again after 12-16 hours,which will be around your desired sleeping time.Try it when you have a day off because it is really a torture but its worth it

format_quote Originally Posted by Revert alYunani

well there is another tactic i do and i find it effective. I changed from working day shift to night shift and then night shift to day shift , and to make this huuuge change in from one shift to another in 2 days i stayed awake one day,or slept 2-3 hours,and then slept at the desired time.It will be a torture and you will be super tired but you would fall asleep anytime and sleep a lot because you have been awake for 24 hours lol,so your body will wake up energised and you will want to sleep again after 12-16 hours,which will be around your desired sleeping time.Try it when you have a day off because it is really a torture but its worth it

Great! I was gonna do this now, but it's Ramadan I can't afford it. Should I wait the end of Ramadan to do this?

format_quote Originally Posted by Flos

Great! I was gonna do this now, but it's Ramadan I can't afford it. Should I wait the end of Ramadan to do this?

You know the answer of that question. If it was me i would want to wake up early in ramadan and eat suhur. Soon the diff between isha and fajr will be around 5 hours so there is not enough time to sleep. But in a normal day one can wake up 30 mins before sunrise and have more sleep.
So it depends on your situation and your plan. If you are ok for now wait till end of ramadan i guess

format_quote Originally Posted by Revert alYunani

You know the answer of that question. If it was me i would want to wake up early in ramadan and eat suhur. Soon the diff between isha and fajr will be around 5 hours so there is not enough time to sleep. But in a normal day one can wake up 30 mins before sunrise and have more sleep.
So it depends on your situation and your plan. If you are ok for now wait till end of ramadan i guess

I'm very awake now, as you can see. Sahur was 1 hour ago and I'm still not sleepy. I didn't sleep at all today - insomnia. It's torment for my brain and body, but I don't think I should make it until the end of Ramadan.

format_quote Originally Posted by Flos

I'm very awake now, as you can see. Sahur was 1 hour ago and I'm still not sleepy. I didn't sleep at all today - insomnia. It's torment for my brain and body, but I don't think I should make it until the end of Ramadan.

Well i was going to say to try it today. Dont sleep until after magribh, then wake up 1-2 hours before fajr and pray isha too and wait for fajr. Then see what will happen if you feel sleepy again sleep, if not wait till magribh again.
This is what i do now and i function great with 5-6 hours sleep elhamdulillah.

But do you overthink? There must be a reason of your insomia. Also try to work out at home and exhaust your body, maybe you dont get tired enough

format_quote Originally Posted by Revert alYunani

Well i was going to say to try it today. Dont sleep until after magribh, then wake up 1-2 hours before fajr and pray isha too and wait for fajr. Then see what will happen if you feel sleepy again sleep, if not wait till magribh again.
This is what i do now and i function great with 5-6 hours sleep elhamdulillah.

But do you overthink? There must be a reason of your insomia. Also try to work out at home and exhaust your body, maybe you dont get tired enough

I explained in OP why I have insomnia. I don't overthink at all. I workout. It's chemistry in my brain due to medication I used to be on until November. You can't pray isha after midnight (middle of the night). Probably I'll just leave it until the end of Ramadan

format_quote Originally Posted by Flos

I explained in OP why I have insomnia. I don't overthink at all. I workout. It's chemistry in my brain due to medication I used to be on until November. You can't pray isha after midnight (middle of the night). Probably I'll just leave it until the end of Ramadan

Sorry i didnt check. Who said you cant pray isha after midnight?
Alright your choice. Whatever is good for you in shaa Allah. And may Allah fix the chemistry in your brain. Ameen

Try tranqulisers

Drink hot milk

Ruqya for sleep

I too have only 5 hours of sleep max, and I really don't consider it insomnia anymore. As I don't have a problem sleeping at all. I lie in bed and I'd be asleep in 10 to 20 minutes. Then I'd wake up at about 5 or 6 in the morning. I think that's my body clock already.

format_quote Originally Posted by eesa the kiwi

Regarding praying isha after the middle of the night



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Do you drink coffee at all?

Also some herbal tea like chamomile might help InshaAllah

Interesting.
Im a bit confused because i read things like this for example.

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In light of the traditions mentioned above and other valid inferences, scholars are of the view that ideally one should not delay Isha farther than midnight. However, if a person could not pray before midnight, he could still pray it before dawn-as the permissible time extends up-to that time.

We read in Al-Mughni of Ibn Qudamah (a scholar of the Hanbali School),

“Ideally, one should not delay Isha farther than one third of the night, if he did delay it until midnight it is fine; after midnight, it is the time of darurah (i.e. the time for those in extreme circumstances or valid excuses).”

Imam An-Nawawi (who belongs to the Shafi`i School says,

“The ideal time of Isha extends up-to one third of the night; beyond that is the permissible time; which extends to the arrival of dawn.”

The Hanafi view is almost the same as mentioned above. Thus Imam At-Tahawi (who is affiliated to the Hanafi School) states,

“The time of Isha can be divided into three: the ideal or the most preferred time extends to one third of the night; after which is the less preferable time which extends to midnight, still less preferable is the time past midnight until the arrival of dawn.
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Anyway anybody is free to choose the opinion they feel is the correct. Allahu Alem

format_quote Originally Posted by eesa the kiwi

Regarding praying isha after the middle of the night



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Do you drink coffee at all?

Also some herbal tea like chamomile might help InshaAllah

I don't drink coffee. I drink a lot of tea, valeriana as well, not thinking too much before sleep, detoxicated from phones, laptops etc... still nothing

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format_quote Originally Posted by FinalNyc

I too have only 5 hours of sleep max, and I really don't consider it insomnia anymore. As I don't have a problem sleeping at all. I lie in bed and I'd be asleep in 10 to 20 minutes. Then I'd wake up at about 5 or 6 in the morning. I think that's my body clock already.

5 hours happen sometimes, only sometimes. Can you imagine being supper sleepy, but not able to fall asleep and if you manage to, you sleep for 1 hour. If you're lucky you sleep 5. My body and mind are exhausted, though my eyes are wide open. I explained this earlier.

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format_quote Originally Posted by SoldierAmatUllah

Try tranqulisers

Drink hot milk

Ruqya for sleep

Tried, everything.

format_quote Originally Posted by Revert alYunani

Interesting.
Im a bit confused because i read things like this for example.

--
In light of the traditions mentioned above and other valid inferences, scholars are of the view that ideally one should not delay Isha farther than midnight. However, if a person could not pray before midnight, he could still pray it before dawn-as the permissible time extends up-to that time.

We read in Al-Mughni of Ibn Qudamah (a scholar of the Hanbali School),

“Ideally, one should not delay Isha farther than one third of the night, if he did delay it until midnight it is fine; after midnight, it is the time of darurah (i.e. the time for those in extreme circumstances or valid excuses).”

Imam An-Nawawi (who belongs to the Shafi`i School says,

“The ideal time of Isha extends up-to one third of the night; beyond that is the permissible time; which extends to the arrival of dawn.”

The Hanafi view is almost the same as mentioned above. Thus Imam At-Tahawi (who is affiliated to the Hanafi School) states,

“The time of Isha can be divided into three: the ideal or the most preferred time extends to one third of the night; after which is the less preferable time which extends to midnight, still less preferable is the time past midnight until the arrival of dawn.
--

Anyway anybody is free to choose the opinion they feel is the correct. Allahu Alem

This would solve all of my problems. You know, I decided to do istikhara tonight and see if it's ok not to sleep at all until tomorrow's maghrib and pray isha before fajr. I'll let you know what happened

Assalaam alaykum

First the Deeny prescriptions
Before sleeping say SubhanAllah 33 times, al-hamdullilah 33 times and Allah Akbar 33 (or 34) times. Recite Surah al-Ikhlas, Surah al-Falaq, and Surah an-Nas three times each, blow into your hands and wipe your hands over your body. Recite Ayat al-Kursi. Do Wuthoo before all of this and then try to sleep. You can additionally do thikr while you lay there until you fall asleep. If you don't feel tired at all, then immediately get up and pray the night prayer two rakahs at a time reciting whatever and as much of the Quran as you wish. Make a determination that I am either going to sleep now or pray, which one I don't care.

See then which of the two decisions shaitan will make: "either let her sleep and be rested for a day of restful, energetic service to the Lord of the worlds or let her pray in the night asking for forgiveness, mercy and guidance throughout the night?" You would be amazed at how ready for bed you might find yourself.

Dunya prescriptions:
Take Melatonin before you go to sleep. Reduce screen time and light exposure before bedtime as this messes with levels of Melatonin your body naturally makes. There is a program called f.lux that you can download for free that will automatically reduce the blue light from your computer when it gets closer to bedtime. There is also the same for your phone.

Try to settle things down before bedtime. Don't read into issues of politics or controversial issues just before bedtime. Try to wind down and make that a routine thing.

Also, if you take a short sunnah nap in the middle of the day, then it wouldn't matter at all if you sleep little at night. I've read that as little as 20 minutes in the middle of the day can reduce the main sleep time by an hour. So 20 minutes after Dhur and you can then sleep for about 6 hours and 40 min at night and your body and brain would still get the equivalent of 8 hours. Scientists say you could add additional naps as well with each 20 minute nap spanned apart throughout the day taking a one hour chunk off of the main sleep. They call it polyphasic sleeping. The most intense version of this is what's called the Uberman technique, where there is no main sleep, but the person only takes short naps: Six 20 min naps, one every 4 hours for a grand total amount of sleep time equalling 2 hours in a 24 hour period. This is not possible unless the person is consistent and sleeps on time for every nap and never misses a nap and sleeps for no more than the 20 min allotted. I believe that Umar (RadiaAllahu Anhu) was doing something similar to this as the 'Ulema said that he didn't sleep but only took short naps. Wa Allahu 'Alim.

Anyway, may Allah give you sweet dreams and peaceful rest inshAllah.

Assalamu alaikum,

My problem is solved for now with combination of a lot of dua, istikhara and Allah lead me to buy melatonin - it worked.

Excellent.