Can I call humans animals in a scientific way?

format_quote Originally Posted by Aboukhaled

I don't mean in an evolutionary way I just mean that in science humans are mammals so can I call humans animals (in kingdom) or I have to say human only (بني ادم)

In science humans are mammals because evolution is already implemented in science. So you ARE meaning in an evolutionary way.

I think it's fine because the Arabic equivalent for animals isn't going to be an exact translation of the English word. It's just a language difference imo.

I understand what the OP is saying, the difficulty is that science here rejects what religious are saying, so why should we reject what we say just to conform. Allah took the dust from this world to create humans, this is why they say we are genetically linked-no brainer, but they don't understand if we weren't than how would we be able to consume anything to benefit the body nutrient wise?? Why would Allah give us bodies that are just completely alien and than we wouldn't be able to be compatible in this world. They also like to bypass how ridiculous evolution sounds (not all scientists agree with it anyway or say it forms a complete picture), but no cells can just organise themselves and design themselves, especially to be male and female. It is fashioned by Allah and every baby, insect is also needs Allah's permission to be in existence, they are not left alone to become themselves.

If you go back to basics of animal, vegetable and mineral then humans are animals but scientifically homonines the homonids include apes.

format_quote Originally Posted by Sunshineday

I understand what the OP is saying, the difficulty is that science here rejects what religious are saying, so why should we reject what we say just to conform. Allah took the dust from this world to create humans, this is why they say we are genetically linked-no brainer, but they don't understand if we weren't than how would we be able to consume anything to benefit the body nutrient wise?? Why would Allah give us bodies that are just completely alien and than we wouldn't be able to be compatible in this world. They also like to bypass how ridiculous evolution sounds (not all scientists agree with it anyway or say it forms a complete picture), but no cells can just organise themselves and design themselves, especially to be male and female. It is fashioned by Allah and every baby, insect is also needs Allah's permission to be in existence, they are not left alone to become themselves.

An example:
if someone asks "why does it rain?"...you can answer that question on two totally different ways:
1...because that is the will of Allah...

or

2...seawater evaporates, forms clouds, travels through land and rises untill it gets too cold, so it condensates into drops and falls to earth as rain.

both answers are valid and true. answer 1 is the religious way and 2 is the scientific way.

these both answer do not bite each other. that it is the will of Allah does not mean the watercycle is untrue...and the watercycle being true does not mean there is no God behind the scenes to make that whole watercycle even possible.

science is a tool for humans to explain the universe they live in. it is build on observations, testable and repeatable explanations for a certain phenomenah. it is all about logic, observations and predictability. so naturally there is no place for spirituality and religion within science....that however does not mean it doesn't exist...it is just left out by science...and not rejected...that is a major difference.

We also know that science is never the absolute truth...it is always an acceptable appoximation of the truth. Newtons laws were good enough for us to fly to the moon, even though Einstein had already proven that Newtons laws were not accurate wenn it comes to quantum mechanics.

The same with the theory of evolution. We already know that that theory is not perfect...new discoveries in the future will definitely change our view on the evolution theory...there are huge gaps in it...however that does not mean everything about it is untrue.

Allah creating us from dirt is the religious way to explain our existence, and theory of evolution is the scientific way.

wenn we die, our bodies turn back into dust and dirt and become a part of this earth...but then again, so do plants and animals...are they also made from dirt and clay?

So there is certainly some connection there...maybe one day we will find out, or maybe not.

format_quote Originally Posted by Hamza Asadullah

Asalaamu Alaikum,

No because we are created as distinct from other creations. Humans have been given honor by Allah as the highest form of creation and animals have been created as a lesser form of creation. They are subservient to us whereas we are not subservient to them.

Scientists only refer to us as animals in accordance with the evolutionary belief that we are not separate from animals but we came from animals and evolved. However we believe that we have been created completed separately from animals through our Father Adam (As) and Mother Hawa (As). The only reason they want to make us as one of the same creation is so that it makes it easier for them to try and explain the origin of life but the fact is they will never be able to explain where we came from based on evolutionary theory.

In fact the theory of evolution creates more questions and confusion than answers and clarity. Therefore we must not try to appease atheist Scientists (not all Scientists are Atheist). We stick to the truth in all matters regardless of what they or anyone else tries to convince us otherwise with false and flawed theories.

"Truly, We have honored the children of Adam. We carry them on the land and the sea, and have made provision of good things for them [to eat], and have preferred them above many of those whom We created with a marked preferment." (Quran 17:70)

Don’t be so sure about that dear brother. Logic and reason are also Allahs creations. Allah gave us logic and reason to think about stuff…it is in our nature to use our logic and reason to investigate and learn.

Scientist do not refer to humans as animals just because of their “belief” in evolution. They refer to us as animals, because scientifically we have so much in common with animals. (I do not the exact number) but a significantly big part of our DNA is exactly the same as some animals; we can even adopt body parts (skins, partially organs) from animals nowadays without problems; body functionality and structure (bones, flesh, organs, nerves, veins, the need for food, water and air…etc…very very similar….so scientifically a clear reason to refer to us as animals. It is not just a belief. Other creatures like angels and jinn are built totally different…but they also have a totally different origin.

As I said before, the religious answer is the absolute truth, but if we want to understand how this creation process happened, we have to look at it scientifically. Again, logic is also Allahs creation. Everything is build up logically…

Allah declaring us as the highest form of creation can not be used as a valid argument to conclude that we have a different origin as animals. Origin has nothing to do with rank. Remember that Iblees had a similar argument: “I will not bow in front of Adam as because he is made of dirt, and I am made of fire, which is better”.

I am not saying evolution is true or false, don’t get me wrong. But just by saying we are superior to other creatures, therefore our origin must be different is not correct…and you cannot deny the scientific facts that we really do APPEAR to have a lot of in common with animals….so there is some connection out there…but what exactly, no one knows.

format_quote Originally Posted by Hamza Asadullah

The only reason they want to make us as one of the same creation is so that it makes it easier for them to try and explain the origin of life but the fact is they will never be able to explain where we came from based on evolutionary theory.

Obviously I do not agree with this statement. Science does not work that way. It is not scientists that steer science in a direction that is appropriate to them (although, I have to admit that some scientist do try to work like that…like Darwin who tries to prove God does not exist with his Darwinism)….its the observation of a certain phenomena or event that steer scientist to a certain conclusion which leads to new ideas and theories to investigate on. And depending on this research, those ideas and theories can be right or wrong….or partially right.
But the last part of this quote I DO agree, they will never be able to explain our origin completely in a scientific way…not based on theory or evolution or any other theory.

format_quote Originally Posted by Hamza Asadullah

Asalaamu Alaikum,

Almighty Allah already tells us why we share similarities with animals and creations of all kinds:

"It is He Who has created man from water: then has He established relationships of lineage and marriage: for thy Lord has power (over all things). (The Noble Quran, 25:54)"

"And Allah has created every animal from water: of them there are some that creep on their bellies; some that walk on two legs; and some that walk on four. Allah creates what He wills for verily Allah has power over all things. (The Noble Quran, 24:45)"

So why do we have similarities with animals? Because Allah creates us both from water.

But does this piece of evidence cover everything? does it exclude any other connection we may possibly have with animals? For me this sounds like one extra reason to assume that some part of evolution is true. According to evolution bacteria evolved into fish and all other sea life and then it crawled on land and life on earth started.

Thank you for providing these verses.

format_quote Originally Posted by Hamza Asadullah

Did you know that we share 61% of DNA with fruit flies and 60% with Bananas. It is irrelevant how close our DNA matches with another species. Scientists do not refer to us as a different species because they believe we are not distinct from animals and that we came from Monkeys which then went onto evolve into cave men and so on. However they claim these theories without any evidence.

yes I knew that...(not the exact numbers anymore, but something like that yes)...but that is exactly what I mean. Plants and trees also turn back to dust and dirt after they die...so maybe they also are made of dirt...just like us. that is therefore another confirmation. Some of the scientists are like that yes unfortunately. I already gave you the explanation why science is never the absolute truth. it is just a theory...it is an approximation of the truth...but at least for now, it is a usable approximation. When there were evidences on those claim, then it wouldn`t be a theory anymore.

format_quote Originally Posted by Hamza Asadullah

Therefore as people who believe that Allah had made us as distinct from other creations then we do not refer to ourselves as Atheist Scientists do. However we must also bare in mind that not all Scientists are Atheist. It is just that Atheist Scientists have been given a bigger voice and platform to spew their lies against the creation and origin of life.

And Allah knows best in all matters