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Are All Muslims going to heaven?

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    Are All Muslims going to heaven?

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    Is that so?
    I was watching a video from a verbal debate at speakers corner and the Muslim kept telling this Christian guy that Muslims are guaranteed to go to heaven no matter what?
    The reason he gave is that Muslims are going to heaven because of the mercy of Allah.
    Needless to say that doesn't seem to make any sense to me.
    Where is the justice of that?
    What am I missing?
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    Re: Are All Muslims going to heaven?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Eddy View Post
    Is that so?
    I was watching a video from a verbal debate at speakers corner and the Muslim kept telling this Christian guy that Muslims are guaranteed to go to heaven no matter what?
    The reason he gave is that Muslims are going to heaven because of the mercy of Allah.
    Needless to say that doesn't seem to make any sense to me.
    Where is the justice of that?
    What am I missing?
    Yes that is true. İt just sounds injustice to you because you are missing a lot of information.
    İ'll explain to you when İ have more time...sorry for that.
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    Re: Are All Muslims going to heaven?

    All Muslims going to Heaven does not mean there won't be any punishments prior. Justice will still be served where it's due. Some examples:



    حَدَّثَنَا حَفْصُ بْنُ عُمَرَ، حَدَّثَنَا هِشَامٌ، عَنْ قَتَادَةَ، عَنْ أَنَسٍ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏ "‏ لَيُصِيبَنَّ أَقْوَامًا سَفْعٌ مِنَ النَّارِ بِذُنُوبٍ أَصَابُوهَا عُقُوبَةً، ثُمَّ يُدْخِلُهُمُ اللَّهُ الْجَنَّةَ بِفَضْلِ رَحْمَتِهِ يُقَالُ لَهُمُ الْجَهَنَّمِيُّونَ ‏"‏‏.‏ وَقَالَ هَمَّامٌ حَدَّثَنَا قَتَادَةٌ حَدَّثَنَا أَنَسٌ عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم‏.‏

    Narrated Anas: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Some people will be scorched by Hell (Fire) as a punishment for sins they have committed, and then Allah will admit them into Paradise by the grant of His Mercy. These people will be called, 'Al-Jahannamiyyin' (the people of Hell).

    Sahih al-Bukhari 7450
    https://sunnah.com/bukhari:7450



    حَدَّثَنَا هُدْبَةُ بْنُ خَالِدٍ، حَدَّثَنَا هَمَّامٌ، عَنْ قَتَادَةَ، حَدَّثَنَا أَنَسُ بْنُ مَالِكٍ، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏ "‏ يَخْرُجُ قَوْمٌ مِنَ النَّارِ بَعْدَ مَا مَسَّهُمْ مِنْهَا سَفْعٌ، فَيَدْخُلُونَ الْجَنَّةَ، فَيُسَمِّيهِمْ أَهْلُ الْجَنَّةِ الْجَهَنَّمِيِّينَ ‏"‏‏.‏

    Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Some people will come out of the Fire after they have received a touch of the Fire, changing their color, and they will enter Paradise, and the people of Paradise will name them 'Al- Jahannamiyin' the (Hell) Fire people."

    Sahih al-Bukhari 6559
    https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6559


    حَدَّثَنَا مُوسَى، حَدَّثَنَا وُهَيْبٌ، حَدَّثَنَا عَمْرُو بْنُ يَحْيَى، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ أَبِي سَعِيدٍ الْخُدْرِيِّ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏"‏ إِذَا دَخَلَ أَهْلُ الْجَنَّةِ الْجَنَّةَ، وَأَهْلُ النَّارِ النَّارَ يَقُولُ اللَّهُ مَنْ كَانَ فِي قَلْبِهِ مِثْقَالُ حَبَّةٍ مِنْ خَرْدَلٍ مِنْ إِيمَانٍ فَأَخْرِجُوهُ‏.‏ فَيُخْرَجُونَ قَدِ امْتُحِشُوا وَعَادُوا حُمَمًا، فَيُلْقَوْنَ فِي نَهَرِ الْحَيَاةِ، فَيَنْبُتُونَ كَمَا تَنْبُتُ الْحِبَّةُ فِي حَمِيلِ السَّيْلِ ـ أَوْ قَالَ ـ حَمِيَّةِ السَّيْلِ ‏"‏‏.‏ وَقَالَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏"‏ أَلَمْ تَرَوْا أَنَّهَا تَنْبُتُ صَفْرَاءَ مُلْتَوِيَةً ‏"‏‏.‏

    Narrated Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri: Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "When the people of Paradise have entered Paradise, and the people of the Fire have entered the Fire, Allah will say. 'Take out (of the Fire) whoever has got faith equal to a mustard seed in his heart.' They will come out, and by that time they would have burnt and became like coal, and then they will be thrown into the river of Al-Hayyat (life) and they will spring up just as a seed grows on the bank of a rainwater stream." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Don't you see that the germinating seed comes out yellow and twisted?"

    Sahih al-Bukhari 6560
    https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6560


    حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو الْيَمَانِ، قَالَ أَخْبَرَنَا شُعَيْبٌ، عَنِ الزُّهْرِيِّ، قَالَ أَخْبَرَنِي سَعِيدُ بْنُ الْمُسَيَّبِ، وَعَطَاءُ بْنُ يَزِيدَ اللَّيْثِيُّ، أَنَّ أَبَا هُرَيْرَةَ، أَخْبَرَهُمَا أَنَّ النَّاسَ قَالُوا يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ، هَلْ نَرَى رَبَّنَا يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ قَالَ ‏"‏ هَلْ تُمَارُونَ فِي الْقَمَرِ لَيْلَةَ الْبَدْرِ لَيْسَ دُونَهُ سَحَابٌ ‏"‏‏.‏ قَالُوا لاَ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ‏.‏ قَالَ ‏"‏ فَهَلْ تُمَارُونَ فِي الشَّمْسِ لَيْسَ دُونَهَا سَحَابٌ ‏"‏‏.‏ قَالُوا لاَ‏.‏ قَالَ ‏"‏ فَإِنَّكُمْ تَرَوْنَهُ كَذَلِكَ، يُحْشَرُ النَّاسُ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ، فَيَقُولُ مَنْ كَانَ يَعْبُدُ شَيْئًا فَلْيَتَّبِعْ‏.‏ فَمِنْهُمْ مَنْ يَتَّبِعُ الشَّمْسَ، وَمِنْهُمْ مَنْ يَتَّبِعُ الْقَمَرَ وَمِنْهُمْ مَنْ يَتَّبِعُ الطَّوَاغِيتَ، وَتَبْقَى هَذِهِ الأُمَّةُ فِيهَا مُنَافِقُوهَا، فَيَأْتِيهِمُ اللَّهُ فَيَقُولُ أَنَا رَبُّكُمْ فَيَقُولُونَ هَذَا مَكَانُنَا حَتَّى يَأْتِيَنَا رَبُّنَا، فَإِذَا جَاءَ رَبُّنَا عَرَفْنَاهُ‏.‏ فَيَأْتِيهِمُ اللَّهُ فَيَقُولُ أَنَا رَبُّكُمْ‏.‏ فَيَقُولُونَ أَنْتَ رَبُّنَا‏.‏ فَيَدْعُوهُمْ فَيُضْرَبُ الصِّرَاطُ بَيْنَ ظَهْرَانَىْ جَهَنَّمَ، فَأَكُونُ أَوَّلَ مَنْ يَجُوزُ مِنَ الرُّسُلِ بِأُمَّتِهِ، وَلاَ يَتَكَلَّمُ يَوْمَئِذٍ أَحَدٌ إِلاَّ الرُّسُلُ، وَكَلاَمُ الرُّسُلِ يَوْمَئِذٍ اللَّهُمَّ سَلِّمْ سَلِّمْ‏.‏ وَفِي جَهَنَّمَ كَلاَلِيبُ مِثْلُ شَوْكِ السَّعْدَانِ، هَلْ رَأَيْتُمْ شَوْكَ السَّعْدَانِ ‏"‏‏.‏ قَالُوا نَعَمْ‏.‏ قَالَ ‏"‏ فَإِنَّهَا مِثْلُ شَوْكِ السَّعْدَانِ، غَيْرَ أَنَّهُ لاَ يَعْلَمُ قَدْرَ عِظَمِهَا إِلاَّ اللَّهُ، تَخْطَفُ النَّاسَ بِأَعْمَالِهِمْ، فَمِنْهُمْ مَنْ يُوبَقُ بِعَمَلِهِ، وَمِنْهُمْ مَنْ يُخَرْدَلُ ثُمَّ يَنْجُو، حَتَّى إِذَا أَرَادَ اللَّهُ رَحْمَةَ مَنْ أَرَادَ مِنْ أَهْلِ النَّارِ، أَمَرَ اللَّهُ الْمَلاَئِكَةَ أَنْ يُخْرِجُوا مَنْ كَانَ يَعْبُدُ اللَّهَ، فَيُخْرِجُونَهُمْ وَيَعْرِفُونَهُمْ بِآثَارِ السُّجُودِ، وَحَرَّمَ اللَّهُ عَلَى النَّارِ أَنْ تَأْكُلَ أَثَرَ السُّجُودِ فَيَخْرُجُونَ مِنَ النَّارِ، فَكُلُّ ابْنِ آدَمَ تَأْكُلُهُ النَّارُ إِلاَّ أَثَرَ السُّجُودِ، فَيَخْرُجُونَ مِنَ النَّارِ قَدِ امْتَحَشُوا، فَيُصَبُّ عَلَيْهِمْ مَاءُ الْحَيَاةِ، فَيَنْبُتُونَ كَمَا تَنْبُتُ الْحِبَّةُ فِي حَمِيلِ السَّيْلِ، ثُمَّ يَفْرُغُ اللَّهُ مِنَ الْقَضَاءِ بَيْنَ الْعِبَادِ، وَيَبْقَى رَجُلٌ بَيْنَ الْجَنَّةِ وَالنَّارِ، وَهْوَ آخِرُ أَهْلِ النَّارِ دُخُولاً الْجَنَّةَ، مُقْبِلٌ بِوَجْهِهِ قِبَلَ النَّارِ فَيَقُولُ يَا رَبِّ اصْرِفْ وَجْهِي عَنِ النَّارِ، قَدْ قَشَبَنِي رِيحُهَا، وَأَحْرَقَنِي ذَكَاؤُهَا‏.‏ فَيَقُولُ هَلْ عَسَيْتَ إِنْ فُعِلَ ذَلِكَ بِكَ أَنْ تَسْأَلَ غَيْرَ ذَلِكَ فَيَقُولُ لاَ وَعِزَّتِكَ‏.‏ فَيُعْطِي اللَّهَ مَا يَشَاءُ مِنْ عَهْدٍ وَمِيثَاقٍ، فَيَصْرِفُ اللَّهُ وَجْهَهُ عَنِ النَّارِ، فَإِذَا أَقْبَلَ بِهِ عَلَى الْجَنَّةِ رَأَى بَهْجَتَهَا سَكَتَ مَا شَاءَ اللَّهُ أَنْ يَسْكُتَ، ثُمَّ قَالَ يَا رَبِّ قَدِّمْنِي عِنْدَ باب الْجَنَّةِ‏.‏ فَيَقُولُ اللَّهُ لَهُ أَلَيْسَ قَدْ أَعْطَيْتَ الْعُهُودَ وَالْمَوَاثِيقَ أَنْ لاَ تَسْأَلَ غَيْرَ الَّذِي كُنْتَ سَأَلْتَ فَيَقُولُ يَا رَبِّ لاَ أَكُونُ أَشْقَى خَلْقِكَ‏.‏ فَيَقُولُ فَمَا عَسَيْتَ إِنْ أُعْطِيتَ ذَلِكَ أَنْ لاَ تَسْأَلَ غَيْرَهُ فَيَقُولُ لاَ وَعِزَّتِكَ لاَ أَسْأَلُ غَيْرَ ذَلِكَ‏.‏ فَيُعْطِي رَبَّهُ مَا شَاءَ مِنْ عَهْدٍ وَمِيثَاقٍ، فَيُقَدِّمُهُ إِلَى باب الْجَنَّةِ، فَإِذَا بَلَغَ بَابَهَا، فَرَأَى زَهْرَتَهَا وَمَا فِيهَا مِنَ النَّضْرَةِ وَالسُّرُورِ، فَيَسْكُتُ مَا شَاءَ اللَّهُ أَنْ يَسْكُتَ، فَيَقُولُ يَا رَبِّ أَدْخِلْنِي الْجَنَّةَ‏.‏ فَيَقُولُ اللَّهُ وَيْحَكَ يَا ابْنَ آدَمَ مَا أَغْدَرَكَ، أَلَيْسَ قَدْ أَعْطَيْتَ الْعَهْدَ وَالْمِيثَاقَ أَنْ لاَ تَسْأَلَ غَيْرَ الَّذِي أُعْطِيتَ فَيَقُولُ يَا رَبِّ لاَ تَجْعَلْنِي أَشْقَى خَلْقِكَ‏.‏ فَيَضْحَكُ اللَّهُ ـ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ ـ مِنْهُ، ثُمَّ يَأْذَنُ لَهُ فِي دُخُولِ الْجَنَّةِ فَيَقُولُ تَمَنَّ‏.‏ فَيَتَمَنَّى حَتَّى إِذَا انْقَطَعَتْ أُمْنِيَّتُهُ قَالَ اللَّهُ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ تَمَنَّ كَذَا وَكَذَا‏.‏ أَقْبَلَ يُذَكِّرُهُ رَبُّهُ، حَتَّى إِذَا انْتَهَتْ بِهِ الأَمَانِيُّ قَالَ اللَّهُ تَعَالَى لَكَ ذَلِكَ وَمِثْلُهُ مَعَهُ ‏"‏‏.‏ قَالَ أَبُو سَعِيدٍ الْخُدْرِيُّ لأَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ ـ رضى الله عنهما ـ إِنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏"‏ قَالَ اللَّهُ لَكَ ذَلِكَ وَعَشَرَةُ أَمْثَالِهِ ‏"‏‏.‏ قَالَ أَبُو هُرَيْرَةَ لَمْ أَحْفَظْ مِنْ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم إِلاَّ قَوْلَهُ ‏"‏ لَكَ ذَلِكَ وَمِثْلُهُ مَعَهُ ‏"‏‏.‏ قَالَ أَبُو سَعِيدٍ إِنِّي سَمِعْتُهُ يَقُولُ ‏"‏ ذَلِكَ لَكَ وَعَشَرَةُ أَمْثَالِهِ ‏"‏‏.‏

    Narrated Abu Huraira: The people said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" He replied, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the full moon on a clear (not cloudy) night?" They replied, "No, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)!" He said, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the sun when there are no clouds?" They replied in the negative. He said, "You will see Allah (your Lord) in the same way. On the Day of Resurrection, people will be gathered and He will order the people to follow what they used to worship. So some of them will follow the sun, some will follow the moon, and some will follow other deities; and only this nation (Muslims) will be left with its hypocrites. Allah will come to them and say, 'I am Your Lord.' They will say, 'We shall stay in this place till our Lord comes to us and when our Lord will come, we will recognize Him. Then Allah will come to them again and say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say, 'You are our Lord.' Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (a bridge) will be laid across Hell and I (Muhammad) shall be the first amongst the Apostles to cross it with my followers. Nobody except the Apostles will then be able to speak and they will be saying then, 'O Allah! Save us. O Allah Save us.' There will be hooks like the thorns of Sa'dan [??] in Hell. Have you seen the thorns of Sa'dan [??]?" The people said, "Yes." He said, "These hooks will be like the thorns of Sa'dan [??] but nobody except Allah knows their greatness in size and these will entangle the people according to their deeds; some of them will fall and stay in Hell forever; others will receive punishment (torn into small pieces) and will get out of Hell, till when Allah intends mercy on whomever He likes amongst the people of Hell, He will order the angels to take out of Hell those who worshipped none but Him alone. The angels will take them out by recognizing them from the traces of prostrations, for Allah has forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat away those traces. So they will come out of the Fire, it will eat away from the whole of the human body except the marks of the prostrations. At that time they will come out of the Fire as mere skeletons. The Water of Life will be poured on them and as a result they will grow like the seeds growing on the bank of flowing water. Then when Allah had finished from the Judgments amongst his creations, one man will be left between Hell and Paradise and he will be the last man from the people of Hell to enter paradise. He will be facing Hell, and will say, 'O Allah! Turn my face from the fire as its wind has dried me and its steam has burnt me.' Allah will ask him, "Will you ask for anything more in case this favor is granted to you?' He will say, "No by Your (Honor) Power!" And he will give to his Lord (Allah) what he will of the pledges and the covenants. Allah will then turn his face from the Fire. When he will face Paradise and will see its charm, he will remain quiet as long as Allah will. He then will say, 'O my Lord! Let me go to the gate of Paradise.' Allah will ask him, 'Didn't you give pledges and make covenants (to the effect) that you would not ask for anything more than what you requested at first?' He will say, 'O my Lord! Do not make me the most wretched, amongst Your creatures.' Allah will say, 'If this request is granted, will you then ask for anything else?' He will say, 'No! By Your Power! I shall not ask for anything else.' Then he will give to his Lord what He will of the pledges and the covenants. Allah will then let him go to the gate of Paradise. On reaching then and seeing its life, charm, and pleasure, he will remain quiet as long as Allah wills and then will say, 'O my Lord ! Let me enter Paradise.' Allah will say, May Allah be merciful unto you, O son of Adam! How treacherous you are! Haven't you made covenants and given pledges that you will not ask for anything more that what you have been given?' He will say, 'O my Lord! Do not make me the most wretched amongst Your creatures.' So Allah will laugh and allow him to enter Paradise and will ask him to request as much as he likes. He will do so till all his desires have been fulfilled . Then Allah will say, 'Request more of such and such things.' Allah will remind him and when all his desires and wishes; have been fulfilled, Allah will say "All this is granted to you and a similar amount besides." Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri, said to Abu Huraira, 'Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "Allah said, 'That is for you and ten times more like it.' "Abu Huraira said, "I do not remember from Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) except (his saying), 'All this is granted to you and a similar amount besides." Abu Sa`id said, "I heard him saying, 'That is for you and ten times more the like of it."

    Sahih al-Bukhari 806
    https://sunnah.com/bukhari:806
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    Re: Are All Muslims going to heaven?

    format_quote Originally Posted by 404 View Post
    All Muslims going to Heaven does not mean there won't be any punishments prior.
    Thanks for your quote and comment but doen't this following sura contradicts all or some of that?

    Ibn-Kathir Al-Qur'an Tafsir > Surah 19. Maryam . Ayah 71

    There is not one of you but will pass over it (Hell);
    this is with your Lord, a decree which must be accomplished.

    72. Then We shall save those who had Taqwa. And We shall leave the wrongdoers in it, Jithiyya.

    Everyone will be brought to Hell, then the Righteous will be savedIbn Jarir reported from `Abdullah that he said concerning Allah's statement,﴿
    وَإِن مِّنكُمْ إِلاَّ وَارِدُهَا

    ﴾(There is not one of you but will pass over it.)
    "The bridge over Hell is like the sharp edge of a sword.
    The first group to cross it will pass like a flash of lightning.
    The second group will pass like the wind.
    The third group will pass like the fastest horse.
    The fourth group will pass like the fastest cow.
    Then, the rest will pass while the angels will be saying, `O Allah save them, save them.' ''

    This narration has supporting narrations similar to it from the Prophet in the Two Sahihs and other collections as well.
    These narrations have been related by Anas, Abu Sa`id, Abu Hurayrah, Jabir and other Companions, may Allah be pleased with them all.
    Ahmad also recorded that Umm Mubashshar, the wife of Zayd bin Harithah, said,
    "The Messenger of Allah was in the house of Hafsah when he said, "
    The Messenger of Allah was in the house of Hafsah when he said,«لَا يَدْخُلُ النَّارَ أَحَدٌ شَهِدَ بَدْرًا وَالْحُدَيْبِيَّة»(No one who was present at the battles of Badr and Hudaybiyyah (of the Muslims) will enter into the Hellfire.)
    Then, Hafsah said, "Doesn't Allah say,﴿وَإِن مِّنكُمْ إِلاَّ وَارِدُهَا﴾(There is not one of you but will pass over it (Hell) The Messenger of Allah replied by reciting,﴿ثُمَّ نُنَجِّى الَّذِينَ اتَّقَواْ﴾(Then We shall save those who had Taqwa.)
    In the Two Sahihs there is a Hadith reported from Az-Zuhri, from Sa`id from Abu Hurayrah that the Messenger of Allah said,«لَا يَمُوتُ لِأَحَدٍ مِنَ الْمُسْلِمِينَ ثَلَاثَةٌ مِنَ الْوَلَدِ تَمَسُّهُ النَّارُ إِلَّا تَحِلَّةَ الْقَسَم»(No one of the Muslims who has had three children, who all died, will be touched by the Hellfire, except for an oath that must be fulfilled.) `Abdur-Rahman bin Zayd bin Aslam commented on Allah's statement,﴿وَإِن مِّنكُمْ إِلاَّ وَارِدُهَا﴾(There is not one of you but will pass over it
    "The passing of the Muslims (over the Hellfire) means their passing over a bridge that is over it. But the passing of the idolators over the Hellfire refers to their admission to the Fire.''
    As-Suddi reported from Murrah, from Ibn Mas`ud, that he said concerning Allah's statement,﴿كَانَ عَلَى رَبِّكَ حَتْماً مَّقْضِيّاً﴾(this is with your Lord; a Hatman decree.)
    "An oath that must be fulfilled.''
    Mujahid said, "Hatman means preordainment.'' Ibn Jurayj said the same. Concerning Allah's statement,﴿ثُمَّ نُنَجِّى الَّذِينَ اتَّقَواْ﴾(Then We shall save those who had Taqwa. )
    When all of the creatures passed over the Hellfire, and those disbelievers and the disobedient people who are destined to fall into it because of their disobedience, Allah will save the believers and the righteous people from it because of their deeds.
    Therefore, their passing over the bridge and their speed will be based upon their deeds that they did in this life.
    Then, the believers who performed major sins will be allowed intercession.
    The angels, the Prophets and the believers will all intercede.
    Thus, a large number of the sinners will be allowed to come out of Hell.
    The fire will have devoured much of their bodies, except the places of prostration on their faces.
    Their removal from the Hellfire will be due to the faith in their hearts. The first to come out will be he who has the weight of a Dinar of faith in his heart. Then, whoever has the next least amount after him.
    Then, whoever is next to that after him, and so forth. This will continue until the one who has the tiniest hint of faith in his heart, equal to the weight of an atom. Then, Allah will take out of the Fire whoever said "La ilaha illallah,'' even one day of his entire life, even if he never performed any good deed. After this, no one will remain in the Hellfire, except those it is obligatory upon to remain in the Hellfire forever. This has been reported in many authentic Hadiths from the Messenger of Allah . This is why Allah says,

    Taken from:https://www.alim.org/quran/tafsir/ib...r/surah/19/71/

    I haven't had the time to thoroughly interpret this whole thing but if I had to summarize it I would say that not "All Muslims are going to heaven as earlier stated".
    That was my first take after just reading the Quran Surah 19 71 and 72 by themselves.
    After work I'll study this a bit better.
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    Re: Are All Muslims going to heaven?

    I see, my problem is that I am primarily a Quranist, then I consider Hadith and I'm very skeptical with Tafsirs.
    It drives me crazy when rules are attributed to Allah when in reality there is nowhere in the Quran to substantiate Allah said that.
    Scholars have the tendency to create explanations about the Quran that can only come from their own assumptions.
    In this case (as 404 quoted) prophet Muhammad is the one explaining who is going to hell and who is going to heaven.
    Where did prophet Muhammad get that information?
    That is a lot of precise and detailed information and none of that seems to come from Allah.
    I'm sure I'm still missing something that as a non Muslim cannot see.
    So my question would be:
    How do we get from Surah 19. Maryam . Ayah 71 and 72 (from the Quran) to what Muhammad explained according to his followers?
    Is there any indication in the Quran that can confirm that those Hadith are correct?

    71 There is not one of you but will pass over it (Hell);
    this is with your Lord, a decree which must be accomplished.
    72. Then We shall save those who had Taqwa. And We shall leave the wrongdoers in it, Jithiyya.
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    Re: Are All Muslims going to heaven?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Eddy View Post
    Is that so?
    I was watching a video from a verbal debate at speakers corner and the Muslim kept telling this Christian guy that Muslims are guaranteed to go to heaven no matter what?
    The reason he gave is that Muslims are going to heaven because of the mercy of Allah.
    Needless to say that doesn't seem to make any sense to me.
    Where is the justice of that?
    What am I missing?

    Muslims will go to hell and get punished for any sins we have accumulated, any debts that were unpaid, any oppression we've committed, etc that we did not repent for before our death or that Allah did not forgive.

    Hellfire and the punishments of the afterlife are the expiations for every sin we have committed during our worldly life, but then our final abode is paradise, whereas the disbeliever's final abode is in hellfire.
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    Re: Are All Muslims going to heaven?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Eddy View Post
    I see, my problem is that I am primarily a Quranist, then I consider Hadith and I'm very skeptical with Tafsirs.
    It drives me crazy when rules are attributed to Allah when in reality there is nowhere in the Quran to substantiate Allah said that.
    Scholars have the tendency to create explanations about the Quran that can only come from their own assumptions.
    In this case (as 404 quoted) prophet Muhammad is the one explaining who is going to hell and who is going to heaven.
    Where did prophet Muhammad get that information?
    That is a lot of precise and detailed information and none of that seems to come from Allah.
    I'm sure I'm still missing something that as a non Muslim cannot see.
    So my question would be:
    How do we get from Surah 19. Maryam . Ayah 71 and 72 (from the Quran) to what Muhammad explained according to his followers?
    Is there any indication in the Quran that can confirm that those Hadith are correct?
    If both ahadith and quran were written as one book, how many people would read it and memorize it in its entirety? Would you?
    Also to be honest, sometimes things really are just common sense and very clear. All throughout the quran allah talks about both punishments and reward for mankind, and says that nonMuslims will burn in hellfire forever therein. So its quite obvious Muslims as well as nonMuslims will be punished in hellfire.

    There's wisdom behind having the Quran separate from ahadith. Also Muhammad was Allah's messenger. Not a role to be taken lightly. So clearly he was privy to a lot of information from Allan the angels, and previous prophets, that a layman wouldn't have been. That is why ahadith are valuable sources too.
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    Re: Are All Muslims going to heaven?

    Peace be with you Eddy,

    I believe we should search for God, he is there to be found, often it is our own faulty understanding of God that prevents him from being found. Reflecting on the 99 names of Allah is a helpful place to start. I don't believe any of us earn eternal salvation through our own efforts. It can only be granted by the grace, mercy and forgiveness of Allah. We each struggle to be the kind and caring person we want to be, but we do mess up.


    A Muslim has no way of knowing whether he or she will be accepted by Allah until the day of judgment. Muhammad himself said he did not know what would happen to him on the day of judgment.

    An acknowledged Hadith tells about Muhammad going to visit a house where the body of a Muslim who had died still lay. A woman addressed the dead body, saying:

    “May Allah have mercy on you. I testify that Allah has honoured you. Muhammad asked the woman, “How do you know that Allah has honoured this man? “I know, by Allah,” she said. Muhammad replied, “This man, death struck him and I wish him the best in the name of Allah. By Allah, although I am the Messenger of Allah, I know not what will happen to me, just like you.”
    (The Authentic of Bukhari, vol.9, book 87, no. 145. Narrated by Kharija bin Zaid bin Thabit)
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    Re: Are All Muslims going to heaven?



    Some of the important aspects were explained by the previous posts, but, what should I add is that we shoul immerse into hadith, sirah, tafseer, Arabic, fiqh, tasawwuf and many other sciences and texts to get knowledge and to be able to put it into practice with wisdom in deeds and words.

    We must understand the temporal/chronical/successive and geographical aspects of hadith.

    Arabs of that time were very good at memorisations of long passages of text/poems and were cometing each other in recitation. They were also very trustworthy and against lying.

    Maybe after spending years (maybe 10 or 20 +) of learning with a lot of dua and supererogatory ibadah practice we could expect to be able to grasp certain themes/topic in whole and it will open to us that there were not a lot of major mistakes in hadith texts and that they are congruent and coherent.

    There are a lot more hadith books than the six most known. For example Kanz al Ummal has about 46000 hadith.
    There should be hundrads of thousands written hadith. Some books were put into digital libraries in Arabic language or in Urdo language. Some of those libraries contain 10000 books, searchable.

    As with language learning people often need immersion, often from younger age, to be able to grasp more.

    Western methodological practices are good because they do not tend to be a part of one sect, and nowdays everything is a lot more easily obtainable (as the maktabas). We do need a scientific method, to think about (like to think about Quran, not to only read, and after we grasp to put in practice).

    Often, when we view some shoyouk in the west, we can probably notice that they do put a lot of efforts and have a good "scientific", rational methodology, but what they lack is probably the earlier immersion and intensive ibadah practice which would bring the right succour and the real "cold fusion athanor", the noor and get them away from dhulumat or wasting energy into less productive efforts.

    In the path of knowledge we need not to forget Allah (like adab and dua) and knowledge does not go without practice-ibadah.

    Like the Admin recently said, people are on different levels, and as we level up inshaAllah, we grasp better understandings and get closer and closer to Allah.

    Very important is to strive with ambition into leveling up.

    An easy fix is to leave major/great sins we know and wasting time and improving whatever we can in our daily practices as we can.

    After some time, we will get inshaAllah augmented. Say, reciting 1000 salawat will be as 10 or maybe 100 before etc. With such augmemts the path of getting knowledge and right wisdom will be easier and easier.

    For example imam al Bukhara and many others had eidetuc photographic memory and could grasp a whole page of hadith in a second.

    He and many others, may Allah have mercy upon them, did a great job to compile great collections of knowledge and now we must put similar efforts into learning and practicing.
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    Re: Are All Muslims going to heaven?

    format_quote Originally Posted by *charisma* View Post
    If both ahadith and quran were written as one book, how many people would read it and memorize it in its entirety? Would you?
    No way, not me, but to be honest I have never tried to memorize anything.
    But aside from that, they are two different things, the Quran is the word of Allah and the Hadith are the words of Muhammad's companions about the sayings of Muhammad.
    Since I'm not a Muslim and I'm an objective observer I don't see how Muhammad often tells what Allah would do or not do on many circumstances.
    It seems that people would ask Muhammad questions about what Allah would do and Muhammad responded as if he knew.
    So I suppose Muhammad received the revelations we know from the Quran but also a lot of other revelations on the side.
    Am I correct?
    Is that officially like that?
    Did Muhammad received revelations (communications) other than those in the Quran?
    That's the only way he would know that Muslims would go to hell (be punished for their sins) and then eventually end up in heaven.
    If Islam works like that then it is impossible to be a Quranist as some Muslims claim to be.
    Half of Islam is written in the Hadith.
    In some cases the Hadith contradict or deflect the meaning of the Quran verses.
    Example:Surah 19. Maryam . Ayah 71 and 7271
    71 There is not one of you but will pass over it (Hell);this is with your Lord, a decree which must be accomplished.
    72. Then We shall save those who had Taqwa. And We shall leave the wrongdoers in it, Jithiyya.
    If you cut it right there then Allah after punishing the sinners would save only those who had Taqwa. (Taqwa I guess is the ones who have faith) but notice that Allah would leave the wrongdoers in Hell.
    It doesn't say "the disbelievers" but the "wrongdoers".
    Does the "wrongdoers" include also Muslims?
    The Quran doesn't say it so here the Hadith provides all sorts of details.
    After reading the Hadith doesn't seem to be doubt that the ones left in hell are the disbelievers and not the wrongdoers.
    I'm assuming that a wrongdoer is not necessarily a disbeliever.
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    Re: Are All Muslims going to heaven?



    To keep up simple as you are along your first islamic readings, I will explain in a simple way.

    Taqwa-fearing God. If you have taqwa you follow good and abstain sining.
    Wrongdoers-did wrong against the law, taqwa, other creatures, themsels, Allah.

    There is a bridge over Jahannam leading to the Jannah-paradise.
    There is one place in between called Al Araf.

    Please read this ayat, as it is related:
    https://myislam.org/surah-al-araf/ay...)%20And%20when,'

    Read the next ayat 48 also.

    The arrogance shpuld be probably understood as rejecting the truth (guidence, God, Taqwa...) and in lesser degree looking down upon people.
    https://www.abuaminaelias.com/dailyh...r-seed-jannah/

    There are punishments for example for great sins and muslims too can enter hell until expiation if Allah does not have mercy upon us.

    Some additional reading below.

    https://sunnah.com/muslim:2818a

    https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:4300

    https://abdurrahman.org/2018/11/26/d...s-are-weighed/

    https://islamicaid.com/sadaqah/


    Prophet saws did receive different kinds of revelations

    https://questionsonislam.com/questio...ess-revelation
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    Re: Are All Muslims going to heaven?

    You’re correct that not everything is written in the Quran. Take praying for example. The act itself is mentioned, but the instructions are not (quantity, motions, etc.). This is why it would be hard to separate Quran and hadith. As we know, the prophet received this information through a combination of the night journey and angel Jibreel. For the Hadith mentioned above, That is all part of the unseen, and therefore all we can do is accept or deny them based on authenticity. The information is given to the prophet through revelation of some form, as was the case with all messengers.
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    Re: Are All Muslims going to heaven?

    format_quote Originally Posted by 404 View Post
    The information is given to the prophet through revelation of some form, as was the case with all messengers.
    Thanks to all who responded.
    Great info by Murid and 404.
    I'm still reading it.

    I'm a skeptic so my mind is always questioning things that don't make sense or are not clear.
    To me the Hadith and most Scholars interpretations get in the field of the unknown and difficult to explain.
    Prophet Muhammad was apparently an extension of Allah. He could provide the information that Allah didn't. But Allah must have provided that information otherwise how prophet Muhammad knew about it.
    So here we don't know how prophet Muhammad knew and he didn't clasified that information as part of the "revelations".
    Prophet Muhammad is respected, trusted and believed beyond all reason.
    If the information comes from Allah then there's no way to challenge it.
    But, I have noticed that not all the wisdom of prophet Muhammad comes from Allah.
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