Convincing an atheist that homosexuality is wrong

**Euphorium** · 07-07-2022

Peace upon you,

as the title says , I'm having a discussion with an atheist about why Islam forbids homosexuality. Of course, it is enough for me as a Muslim to know that the Qur'an forbids it, because I follow the words of God no matter what. But the atheist doesn't have the concept of following the word of God, so I can't convince him just by saying that.
His main argument is : " people can't control what urges they get ( which is true ) , so why does God punish them for something they can't control , if he's the one who created us ? "

In order to answer that question. I need a more concrete explanation as to why homosexuality is forbidden. Like what the idea or goal of stopping it is. ( of course, the atheist doesn't accept it if I say " it's unnatural " , because some people are born as homosexuals according to him )

I would really appreciate any answers or sources that would help me convince him that the Islamic view is correct. (I might actually manage to convert him to Islam then)
Any arguments against homosexuality would be really helpful.

Thank you very much in advance

**Ümit** · 07-15-2022

Originally Posted by Hamza Asadullah

Secondly the Science also states that Gay intercourse leads to the spread of many sexually transmitted diseases of which a few are deadly. It also leads to damage to the sphincter muscle because scientifically speaking the rectum/sphincter is not meant to be used for penetration, but meant for defecation.

Oh yes, this is also a great issue to point out.
It is funny to see how they get tangled up in their own contradictions sometimes.
Here is an overview with all the countries in the world which prohibit gay men from donating blood:
https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...donating-blood

The shocking thing is that it is not only the muslim countries are forbidding it. Mainly western countries like most of Europe and North America have this rule.
And of course for a reason.

Now, you may or may not trust the site I presented...just google it and you will find out.

So, you can pretend like homosexuality is all innocent and harmless...but science and statistics show a whole different picture.

**Sunshineday** · 08-07-2022

The problem why you're getting confused is that you're listening to them over what Allah has taught you.

So you don't start from saying they love and whatever makes them happy, you start from respect and values.

Homosexuality is more about getting attention -and even without homosexuality, you would have seen people try to get along with anyone to get what they want - so if they are willing to do this to get ie. money, it is not surprising that next steps up they are willing to do this.

Homosexuality is rather a role change- alot of people that women as being in the receiving end of attention, and say it is a lot of work being with a women -so opt to go for males instead. A lot of homosexuals have been saying that women don't care for sex-why would they need to say this?

Also homosexuals knew that for them to get accepted they needed everyone to degrade themselves-this is from the Kinsey experiments in the US-where this homosexual dismissed women issues.

As per the Quran the homosexuals stated that the Prophet was telling them to be "PURE" -here they are not hiding as they do nowadays, they said it clearly. We don't need to understand every reason for why they do something, but it is disrespecting someone.

Nowadays you gettng people accepting being pregnant by a homosexual- how undignified, your not pregnant by your husband, but by a homosexual-this is how low people need to be -no values.

Largely if they not teaching children to be respectful-like keeping quiet, sitting still -how do you expect them to respect other people, their bodies and property??

Whatever people want to make them happy, doesn't undermine our values-we will never listen to them over the sayings of the Prophets. Whoever listens to them, can go and follow them to Hell fire. For they are cursed and it is a cursed life. They like homosexuals in the past know they don't have a ground and feel threatened-so much they are happy to even support mutialiting children for transgender.

There is no love, kindness. It is disrespectful and you can see the pure hate they have for anyone telling them so-they will never be looked at like straight people, as we are tested in this world. If we really believed they are normal, then we are too stupid to be tested in this world (the devils are being tested in the other one-closer to Heaven).

They can never be accepted-they are trying to do what even a prostitute couldn't do in the the history of this world-be accepted as normal- they are living in the west how they want, but they are not happy, they are after people's minds-they will never be treated as normal (don't get fooled by their so called friends who are also after attention).

Even if everyone accepted them in the world and one man stood up and said he disagreed-all them would be oppossed and wanted to get rid of him-this is how much threatened they will always feel.

They will shut up themselves, when people going through trials and moving towards the Major signs of the Day of Judgement, look how upset they were during Covid, imagine with more problems. They are liars, no one has support for the rest of thier lives, even people gone against parent's wishes and married -they didn't get supported, but note the homosexuals and transgender wish to be supported for the rest of their lives-whatever decisions people make, go to education, work, they cannot expect that. It's ridiculous and just shows how much they disregard how things actually work.