What is your opinion on countries like Jordan and Turkey?

**solid_snake** · 04-21-2005

they are becoming very much like non muslim populated countries. Jordan now has clubs just like in UK and girls and guys mixing and less and less girls wearing the hijab.

**north_malaysian** · 03-13-2006

If someone want to propagate Islam in Malaysia, he should go to Muslims first. New Muslims are more islamic than most born muslims.

**Smok** · 03-13-2006

Very good countries. You can be really free. If you want you can wear hijab if you don't then you can wear shorts and drink beer. Forced religion is worthless.

**ummAbdillah** · 03-13-2006

salaam :brother: and :sister:
may allah subhanahu watala giude them
ameen

ma salaam

**abdul Majid** · 03-13-2006

thats easy for you to say.....becuase your ok with things like that, when it is these very things that lead to sin in reality!!

and these countrys werent like this!! until western infuence appeared!!

**anis_z24** · 03-13-2006

Salam,
borders made to divide the strong, and slow down progress

**Halima** · 03-14-2006

The only beneficial thing to do instead of looking at the negative side, you can always hope for the best and strongly advise your brothers and sisters when you see them in the wrong insha'Allah.

Allahu Al'm (and Allah knows best)

BarakAllahu Feekum.

**j4763** · 03-14-2006

and these countrys werent like this!! until western infuence appeared!!

Do muslims not have good guidance from other Muslims their, and do they not have the option of choice? Anyone can say no to something, so rather than blame the west these Muslims who have giving into temptation have only themselves to blame!

**mizan_aliashraf** · 03-14-2006

Salam
You cant blame the west for this one. Malaysia (and many other 'muslim' countries) have their own people, their own values and their own way of life. If they want to follow the example of the west then that is up to them. It is them at the end of the day who will be held accountable for it.
May Allah guide them and protect them
Wassalam

**Muezzin** · 03-14-2006

^I agree. Sooner or later the Ummah has to start taking responsibility for its own actions. We can't keep blaming 'America' or 'The Jews!!!!!!1111one'. It makes us look like those silly no-hoper kids in school who never get anywhere in life because they're too busy making life difficult for themselves, while blaming others for it.

Originally Posted by Smok

Very good countries. You can be really free. If you want you can wear hijab if you don't then you can wear shorts and drink beer. Forced religion is worthless.

Forcing people not to practice their religion is just as bad. In Turkey for example, women are not allowed to wear their headscarves in certain buildings.

I could be wrong, feel free to correct me.

**snowdropjasmine** · 03-14-2006

**Smok** · 03-15-2006

Originally Posted by Muezzin

Forcing people not to practice their religion is just as bad. In Turkey for example, women are not allowed to wear their headscarves in certain buildings.

I could be wrong, feel free to correct me.

Of course. But IMHO religion is very "internal" thing. Pray in home but not in public schools or something.

**Muezzin** · 03-16-2006

Originally Posted by Smok

Of course. But IMHO religion is very "internal" thing. Pray in home but not in public schools or something.

That's your opinion, which you are entitled to. However, no one is entitled to force their opinions on others. And you must bear in mind that Muslims in particular do not see religion as just a couple of rituals, but rather as a way of life. It's not something one can just switch off.

Personally, I think that as long as the religion is not interfering in any way with the education, it is fine. In other words, I don't see how a headscarf or a turban could interfere with teaching.

Just because people are entitled not to practice religion, doesn't give them the right to forbid others from practicing theirs

**Smok** · 03-16-2006

Originally Posted by Muezzin

That's your opinion, which you are entitled to. However, no one is entitled to force their opinions on others. And you must bear in mind that Muslims in particular do not see religion as just a couple of rituals, but rather as a way of life. It's not something one can just switch off.

Personally, I think that as long as the religion is not interfering in any way with the education, it is fine. In other words, I don't see how a headscarf or a turban could interfere with teaching.

Just because people are entitled not to practice religion, doesn't give them the right to forbid others from practicing theirs

You are absolutely right. I don't have any problems when I see girl in hijab or man with big cross on his chest.

**Muezzin** · 03-16-2006

Originally Posted by Smok

You are absolutely right. I don't have any problems when I see girl in hijab or man with big cross on his chest.

If only everyone were as tolerant as you, the world would be a much happier place.

But a lot of people are intolerant, so they suck.

**solid_snake** · 03-16-2006

woah ... this thread is back from the dead!

kay:

**Rou** · 03-17-2006

These clubs...these western ideals...short skirts...the hijab being tossed aside....

think this not a mistake a well planned startegy is this the view of westernisation is to make all alike to take that which is within our culture and mix it at first with there ways then soon make those who have fallen in this trap forget altogether there culture....

in the end there will be no one left to pass on our belifs to our children...we sell ourselves and betray allah as the isralites did when moses went up the mountain...

however we are made to do this on a bigger scale...

One man or one woman doing these things for there own pleasure may not seem that bad but the west is proof enough of whathappens when you leave a nation to do this type of thing...

what respect will be left for eachother what honour....

**cihad** · 03-18-2006

in turkey a lot of ppl suck

but their swarma is yum!

**Maimunah** · 03-18-2006

[QUOTE=cihad;216491]in turkey a lot of ppl suck
may allah guide them

**Safa** · 03-18-2006

My school teacher, who happened to be Jordanian once said, "Religion, you don't need religion in your life."

I hope that's not what the majority believe but I think it's becoming a growing trend these days.

**Duhaa** · 03-18-2006

I went Jordan when I was small and I remember at the hotel I was staying there was a Mexican style wedding going on!
I cant really remember if they were Muslims but there was live Mexican music and the bride had a white wedding dress and the groom had some funny outfit.
To be honest I didnt see anyone who looked like a muslim.
........However they could have been.