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    Dispatches: The Muslim Reformation

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    Ok I know this may be late notice! But on channel 4 in few mins 20:05 this is on:

    Dispatches: The Muslim Reformation
    Islamic teacher and reformer Tariq Ramadan explores the future of his faith, and presents evidence supporting his theory that European Muslims hold the key to the religion's prospects over the next 100 years. He also considers the ancient custom of applying the Koran's doctrine to life in the 21st century

    I’m going to watch it, I would like member to air their views on this afterwards if they may inshallah.

    P.S Salaatul Maghrib will be at 20:35 so you better all get your VCR’s ready too

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    Re: Dispatches: The Muslim Reformation

    wow wee bumble be i wanna watch tariq ramadhan too thanks 4 dat

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    Re: Dispatches: The Muslim Reformation

    So anyone watch it?

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    Re: Dispatches: The Muslim Reformation

    yaa i watched half lol
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    Re: Dispatches: The Muslim Reformation

    i watched it, (by da way im new) and i think dat we need british born muslim scholars because it will help pple like us born in england to approach them about topics and ask them about advice. like in our local mosque its been bout 9 years since i last went to it, and der is kno 1 i cud approach and ask info about. all the leaders i kno are prob disussing my problem anyway knowing my bruves and all dat!

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    Re: Dispatches: The Muslim Reformation

    soz wrote the last message a bit wrong, i meant if i did approach the scholars the wud be disscusin me problems if dey kno who sis or daughter u are!

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    Re: Dispatches: The Muslim Reformation

    sum of d stuff he sed i didnt agree wit, lik he woz sayin we hav 2 find more meanins 4 d quran! i admit ders diff interpretations n we gota b more open minded, lik hadhrat Umar (ra) read surah al fatiha 30 times n each time he got a diff meanin , so we gota b more open minded n take all interpretation in2 account, but if we cnt find a diff interpretation or der isnt 1, den wot we doo lol, n d man woz lik bla bla u hav 2 find 1 lol, !! im sure he sed sumfin lik dat, if he didnt den i musta been watchin sum nex program lol
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    Re: Dispatches: The Muslim Reformation

    Quote Originally Posted by minaz View Post
    Ok I know this may be late notice! But on channel 4 in few mins 20:05 this is on:

    Dispatches: The Muslim Reformation
    Islamic teacher and reformer Tariq Ramadan explores the future of his faith, and presents evidence supporting his theory that European Muslims hold the key to the religion's prospects over the next 100 years. He also considers the ancient custom of applying the Koran's doctrine to life in the 21st century

    I’m going to watch it, I would like member to air their views on this afterwards if they may inshallah.

    P.S Salaatul Maghrib will be at 20:35 so you better all get your VCR’s ready too
    minaz,
    i don't have TV and i'm not in UK, but i have read some articles by tariq ramadan. i'd really appreciate it if you wrote a review.
    thanks.
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    Re: Dispatches: The Muslim Reformation

    yeah... pls write a review... (hopefully a complete one)

    i'm in malaysia.... no channel 4 here...

    only 1,2,3,7,8 and 9...

    hehehe

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    Re: Dispatches: The Muslim Reformation

    Quote Originally Posted by syilla View Post
    yeah... pls write a review... (hopefully a complete one)

    i'm in malaysia.... no channel 4 here...

    only 1,2,3,7,8 and 9...

    hehehe
    We have 15 too on astro.

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    Re: Dispatches: The Muslim Reformation

    sorry no astro...

    i've no time for one ah...

    but i really want to subscribe Mitv...

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    Re: Dispatches: The Muslim Reformation

    Quote Originally Posted by syilla View Post
    sorry no astro...

    i've no time for one ah...

    but i really want to subscribe Mitv...
    MiTv channels are not as variety as ASTRO, but MITV is cheap and at least have one Islamic channel. But cannot get it yet in Penang.

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    Re: Dispatches: The Muslim Reformation

    these are modern times we don't need the quran anymore


    yeah right quran is for every time
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    Re: Dispatches: The Muslim Reformation

    bout da dispatches, i wasnt wid him wid everything for example wen he said about interpreting the Koran for this society- i think dats a bit rong coz if every1 interprets their own way den their beliefs etc. changes aswell e.g. like gay pple they believe that you can be gay it accepted and dats coz dey r interpreting da Koran differently, whilst others argue against dem. pple will strat interpreting it differently jus to fit their lifestyle if ya kno wat i mean!

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    Re: Dispatches: The Muslim Reformation

    Quote Originally Posted by minaz View Post
    So anyone watch it?
    ABOUT 2 SECS AT THE BEGINNIN

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    Re: Dispatches: The Muslim Reformation

    salam,

    erm am lost i dn't know what this is about if you have a link then i will be able to watch it ONLY if it's in english

    w.salam

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    Re: Dispatches: The Muslim Reformation

    Here is a review od the programme
    Link http://www.channel4.com/culture/micr...formation.html

    Dispatches: The Muslim Reformation
    Academic and Islamic reformer Tariq Ramadan argues that Islam's future can only be secured by rereading its teachings in the context of the modern world, and that this process is already underway in Europe. Julia Bard reports

    The violent protests against a Danish newspaper's publication of cartoons depicting the prophet Muhammed, reflect a global climate of resentment and mistrust between Muslims and non-Muslims. In the Channel 4 Dispatches programme,The Muslim Reformation, Tariq Ramadan argues that, despite the attacks on Madrid and London, European Muslims will ultimately determine how the religion survives in the next century.

    He challenges fundamentalists and radicals who, he says, are misusing such grievances to justify killing, and contends that sticking rigidly to literal and unchanging interpretations of Islamic texts is not the way to secure the future of the faith.

    A historical view
    Ramadan explains that in medieval times it made sense for the relatively small community of Muslims to see the world as divided into the House of Islam defending itself against the rest of the world – the House of War. Today, though, for the first time in their history, many Muslims are living as a minority in Europe, where they are free to practise their religion. This new situation requires new, relevant answers.

    He speaks to traditionalist and radical fundamentalist Muslims who disagree. They argue that the outside world is as hostile as it ever was and that the teachings of the Qur'an are literally true and immutable. In response, Ramadan invokes the ancient Islamic concept of Ijtehad – a re-examination of Qur'anic texts and Muslim teachings in a new context. This is what is needed, he says, and, indeed, it is being revived in Europe where the very term 'Muslim' is part of a complex and shifting identity.

    Travelling across Europe, Ramadan talks to young Muslims who are working out how to live according to Islamic principles in a changed and changing world. They are analysing texts and teachings, and discussing issues that are provoking intense debate within the Islamic world: identity, education, the position of women, violent protest and more.

    The European experience
    In France, he meets a group of young Muslims who are examining one of the most controversial chapters in the Qur'an, which radical Muslim groups use to justify their violent attacks. The group concludes that these verses are being read in isolation from the many other Qur'anic texts and teachings, distorting the Islamic principle which forbids terrorism and the killing of civilians.

    In Germany, Ramadan talks to a group of women who are rereading Muslim texts that have been used to discriminate against women. They argue that the exclusion of women from many mosques is both relatively recent and contradicts the principles of Islam. Rejecting what they describe as second-hand interpretations handed down by a male-dominated establishment, they are demanding the right to pray alongside men, as women did during the time of the prophet Muhammed.

    In Britain, Ramadan visits a Muslim supplementary school where children are encouraged to read, question and discuss the religious teachings. This is very different from the traditional Madrassas or religious schools, where pupils are taught by rote, whether or not they understand what they are learning. The parents say they value this school because it is inclusive, open and diverse. Here their children learn to be confident about being Muslims and can also hold their own in the outside world.

    The future of Islam
    Finally, Ramadan travels to Pakistan – the place of origin of many British Muslim families – to see what impact these debates are having on a country where Muslims are in the majority. Here, he finds little desire for change or reinterpretation of Muslim thinking. This reinforces his conviction that the reformation he believes is necessary to the future of Islam can only take place is in Europe and will be led by European Muslims.

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    Re: Dispatches: The Muslim Reformation

    So Minaz what did you think? Because i thought it was absolute rubbish. Sorry, i had to be blunt. I mean, for a scholar, the dude is really misinformed. It was quite disappointing. But then again, it's a channel 4 documentary!

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    Re: Dispatches: The Muslim Reformation

    I thought it was quite informative. The concept of "Ijtehad" is something I personally am planning to look into further analysis- inshallah. The programme indeed did show a spectrum of a variety of different Muslim views. He interviewed scholars with conservative views and those with more realistic ones. I think he tackled the question of Jihad well, arguing that many misinterpret it as a struggle for war rather than a struggle for peace. The world has seen a huge change over the last 100 years compared to the last 1400. It has changed at such a pace technologically and socially, we find ourselves in a unique period of time in humanity. Tariq didn't say change the Islamic meanings, but to adapt them in our new world.

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    Re: Dispatches: The Muslim Reformation

    Scholars should only make their own judgement when nothing can be found in the Qur'an and Sunnah. Even then, imam Abu Hanifah, one of the greatest scholars of all time, would look to what the companions thought... only then would he come to his own judgement. Jihad is a struggle for Allah actually. It can take on many forms, but the greatest is qitaal (fighting in the way of Allah). The hadith that says otherwise has been clasified as da'eef by sheikh ul islam ibn taymiyyah. Remember, society will always change, but Islam is constant. I don't know what you mean by adapt, so i can't really go into that further. Please explain.

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