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    Grave Worshipping in Islam

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    Is it permissable? Personally from what i've heard i'd say it was forbidden in Islam, but i've seen it happen so many times. Some say Shai's do it more in a way of tradition.

    Your views please? Any verses from the Quran back this up?

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    Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!

    Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
    In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.

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    Re: Grave Worshipping in Islam

    Quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor View Post
    Is it permissable? Personally from what i've heard i'd say it was forbidden in Islam, but i've seen it happen so many times. Some say Shai's do it more in a way of tradition.

    Your views please? Any verses from the Quran back this up?


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    its completely forbidden, thats shirk. We worship no-one BUT Allah !!
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    Re: Grave Worshipping in Islam



    It is forbidden and completely contrary to what Islam is, which is worshipping none but God. See,

    http://www.islamicboard.com/islamic-...n-tawheed.html

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    Re: Grave Worshipping in Islam



    that link says its shias anyhow :X
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    Re: Grave Worshipping in Islam

    Quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor View Post
    Is it permissable? Personally from what i've heard i'd say it was forbidden in Islam, but i've seen it happen so many times. Some say Shai's do it more in a way of tradition.

    Your views please? Any verses from the Quran back this up?

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    i am not qualified to answer your question.
    some would say that the respect sikhs show to the SGGS constitutes worship. i think there is some confusion between the 2 terms "respect" and "worship".
    some also say that the respect muslims show to the ka'ba is worship. i think that's incorrect also.
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    Re: Grave Worshipping in Islam



    Well the shahaadah says its all:

    There is none worthy of worship but Allah.
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    Re: Grave Worshipping in Islam

    I too think there is some confusion between the 2 terms "respect" and "worship".
    I think we respect many places, including graves. That has nothing to do with worshiping.

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    Re: Grave Worshipping in Islam

    Quote Originally Posted by snakelegs View Post
    i am not qualified to answer your question.
    some would say that the respect sikhs show to the SGGS constitutes worship. i think there is some confusion between the 2 terms "respect" and "worship".
    some also say that the respect muslims show to the ka'ba is worship. i think that's incorrect also.


    Ka'bah is just the Qibla (the direction for facing while praying)..thats why we face the Qibla. We do not worship the Ka'bah, we worship the Lord of the Ka'bah.

    As far is people visiting graves, it is allowed and encouraged to make dua'a (supplicate) FOR the forgiveness of the dead.
    But people go there for different reasons - they do shirk there by asking dua'a FROM the dead person. shirk is the worst crime a human being can commit, since he/she is associating parterns to Allah, Subhanahu wa Ta'ala. Only in Allah's hands is our destiny. He is the Only One to ask for help.
    Shirk is what is forbidden in Islam. Allah, the Just and Merciful is everywhere. Every Muslim has a direct connection to his Lord.
    People have come up with these innovative ideas of visting graves of pious people to ask from them. SubhanAllah! may Allah protect us from all sorts and forms of Shirk.
    Ameen
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    listen to the prayer of every praying person when he calls on
    Me: So let them also, listen to My call, and believe in Me, so
    that they may walk straight.
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    Re: Grave Worshipping in Islam

    Quote Originally Posted by snakelegs View Post
    i am not qualified to answer your question.
    some would say that the respect sikhs show to the SGGS constitutes worship. i think there is some confusion between the 2 terms "respect" and "worship".
    some also say that the respect muslims show to the ka'ba is worship. i think that's incorrect also.
    Indeed, but bowing to a grave of a deceased is completely different to prostrating before the 'Shabad' (Word of God) These are people who were once human, and only God is worthy of Worship.
    Grave Worshipping in Islam

    Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
    The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.

    Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!

    Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
    In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.

    Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Mahraaj Ji!

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    Re: Grave Worshipping in Islam

    Quote Originally Posted by moujahid View Post


    Ka'bah is just the Qibla (the direction for facing while praying)..thats why we face the Qibla. We do not worship the Ka'bah, we worship the Lord of the Ka'bah.

    As far is people visiting graves, it is allowed and encouraged to make dua'a (supplicate) FOR the forgiveness of the dead.
    But people go there for different reasons - they do shirk there by asking dua'a FROM the dead person. shirk is the worst crime a human being can commit, since he/she is associating parterns to Allah, Subhanahu wa Ta'ala. Only in Allah's hands is our destiny. He is the Only One to ask for help.
    Shirk is what is forbidden in Islam. Allah, the Just and Merciful is everywhere. Every Muslim has a direct connection to his Lord.
    People have come up with these innovative ideas of visting graves of pious people to ask from them. SubhanAllah! may Allah protect us from all sorts and forms of Shirk.
    Ameen
    i understand what you are saying above and the difference in praying for the forgiveness of the dead. i guess only god knows what is in a person's heart.
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    Re: Grave Worshipping in Islam

    Quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor View Post
    Indeed, but bowing to a grave of a deceased is completely different to prostrating before the 'Shabad' (Word of God) These are people who were once human, and only God is worthy of Worship.
    yes, you're right - they are different. my point was that people shouldn't judge what is in someone's heart - this should be in god's department. a sikh bowing to the SGGS might, to an outside observer look like he was worshiping it, even though he was/does not.
    obviously, according to islam, i am incorrect.
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    Re: Grave Worshipping in Islam

    Please realize that Shias are just as much a cult that is far from Islam just like Qadianis and NOI

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    Re: Grave Worshipping in Islam

    Quote Originally Posted by amani View Post


    that link says its shias anyhow :X
    Not sure what that means? Are they not muslim?? :-S
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    Re: Grave Worshipping in Islam

    Quote Originally Posted by Hijrah View Post
    Please realize that Shias are just as much a cult that is far from Islam just like Qadianis and NOI
    Oh that answers my question. To be completely honest i wasn't aware of cults existence in Islam. Reason why i respected it so much.
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    Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
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    Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
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    Re: Grave Worshipping in Islam

    Quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor View Post
    Not sure what that means? Are they not muslim?? :-S
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    check this out ..

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    Re: Grave Worshipping in Islam

    Quote Originally Posted by wilberhum View Post
    I too think there is some confusion between the 2 terms "respect" and "worship".
    I think we respect many places, including graves. That has nothing to do with worshiping.
    Agreed, but if respecting a grave prompt U to visit it every Thursday and sing songs in praise of the person resting there, and asking the person to get ur work done, offer him some sweets on his grave,................than indeed its something un-islamic.

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    Re: Grave Worshipping in Islam

    Quote Originally Posted by justahumane View Post
    Agreed, but if respecting a grave prompt U to visit it every Thursday and sing songs in praise of the person resting there, and asking the person to get ur work done, offer him some sweets on his grave,................than indeed its something un-islamic.
    lol, True - Manmat as we say...
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    Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!

    Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
    In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.

    Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Mahraaj Ji!


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