((----Who's More Precious Women or Money ----)) (OP)
A Mufti (muslim scholar) sat next to a Reverend on a flight.
The Rev asked the Mufti, What is your occupation?
Mufti: I'm into big business
Rev: But what business exactly?
Mufti: I deal with God
Rev: Ah, so you're a Muslim religious leader. I have one problem with you Muslims: you oppress your women.
Mufti: How do we oppress women?
Rev: You make your women cover up completely and you keep them in the homes.
Mufti: Ah. I have a problem with you people: you oppress MONEY.
Rev: What? How can one oppress money?
Mufti: You keep your money hidden away, in wallets, banks and safes.. You keep it covered up. Why don't you display it in public if it's a beautiful thing?
Rev: It will get stolen, obviously.
Mufti: You keep your money hidden because it is so valuable. We value the true worth of women far, far more. Therefore, these precious jewels are not on display to one and all. They are kept in honour and dignity....
umm wow okay i think a mod could step in at anytime now and close this thread. Because i highly doubt that this was the intention of the post. and Conversations are starting to really get out of hand here.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Skavau
Oh. It looks like I misread the post. I was under the assumption you typed 'OVERWHELM' and 'DEPRESS' in order to make a point about those in modelling. I apologise..
This is what was found under Oppress in meriam webster-- you are free to look it up yourself.. it was certainly nothing I have typed but a mere defintion such as the one you so generousely included http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/thesaurus?boo...rus&va=oppress
format_quote Originally Posted by Skavau
I only asked for your beliefs on the matter for the sake of discussion. When two people discuss a topic, it is helpful to know each others beliefs on certain matters on the topic. You seemed to act offended when I asked out of curiousity what your opinions on the matter were. .
It doesn't come across for the sake of discussion-- more for the sake of vain discourse.. to which I refuse to partake-- Again I am not offended!
format_quote Originally Posted by Skavau
Person B: That's not true! X is very good in achieving Y!
Person A: I don't think X is a good example to be using in relation to Y.
Person B: Don't make recommendations to me!
Person A: ...
See what I mean-- this is the ? You're limiting the discussion. I can't force you to do anything and I wouldn't want to even try, but when you act aggressive and hostile to me (and despite your claims of amusement - I am getting this impression) as well as refuse to talk about certain parts of the topic, it no longer becomes a discussion.
No, I don't see what you mean-- this is the strangest assimilation I have come across thus far...& I think hostility can be mutually found in your posts... as for refusing to talk about certain parts... if/when you stick to the topic at hand can we then discuss it in details. I will not branch out to every interjecting whim you choose to bring in because you somehow think it is relevant!...
peace!
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
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It doesn't come across for the sake of discussion-- more for the sake of vain discourse.. to which I refuse to partake-- Again I am not offended!
How so? We're talking about Women's Rights? So I ask you of your opinions of women in the western world and the hijab.
No, I don't see what you mean-- this is the strangest assimilation I have come across thus far...& I think hostility can be mutually found in your posts... as for refusing to talk about certain parts... if/when you stick to the topic at hand can we then discuss it in details. I will not branch out to every interjecting whim you choose to bring in...
I've only asked you your opinions on women in the western world and the hijab.
Anyway, I'm out for a bit now. May not respond until later.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Skavau
How so? We're talking about Women's Rights? So I ask you of your opinions of women in the western world and the hijab.
I've only asked you your opinions on women in the western world and the hijab.
See ya.
If a Muslim woman wishes to wear a head scarf... it is her right to do so
if the west boasts of freedom --I take it to mean (freedom of )not freedom from...
Freedom of religion not freedom from religion
Freedom of speech not freedom from speech that speaks of values and ethics different than what you reckon they ought to be --
freedom and tolerance applies not only to those who share your values and , further, conceive them the way you do, as to not be making mockery of tolerance, and freedom-- which is by definition is readiness to coexist peacefully with those who do not share your values and who worship or dress differently from you...
What western women do or don't do-- doesn't bother me in the least unless it affects me personally.... If I see a naked woman on TV, I'll switch the channel hoping that the young ones in the house didn't see it--I can't unfortunately do the same with a billboard... so it becomes incumbent upon me to enforce lowering ones gaze whilst driving... on some level I feel sorry for women who opt for that life style...
As for my colleagues at work who are western -- they are the respectful sort and do share greatly in my value system...So I can't make a statement that all western women are such or all Muslim women are such... that takes away from the value and the individual self!...
I, still however maintain that anyone who favors the porn, modeling or street walking, acting in lewd movies is objectified-- and that is something that Islam prohibits .. and in that regard a woman is protected as the Mufti states.. a Precious Jewel not a flaunted object for gawking men!
peace!
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
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I just want to add that Women of the west who I assume are predominantly Christian... surely there are 2 billion Christians in the world distributed mostly in the west? should they honor their own scriptures.. it would be incumbent upon them as well to wear a head scarf... so what do you know-- when it comes right down to it-- we should all be equally matched........ Muslims for the most part choose to observe their religion, I believe some Jews do as well! so what is wrong with the rest of the free west?
(1 Corinthians 11:3-12)
The head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is just as though her head were shaved. If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head. A man ought not to cover his head,[a] since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head.
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
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I just want to add that Women of the west who I assume are predominantly Christian... surely there are 2 billion Christians in the world distributed mostly in the west?
Not really. On paper most people in western countries are Christian, but in certain countries - ( especially UK, Most of Scandinavia, Czech Republic, Balkan States) I would not be surprised if non-religious individuals were the majority.
is wrong with the rest of the free west?
A good proportion of the west just isn't religious, especially Europe.
And in reference to your (PurestAmbrosias) beliefs about what I asked, I agree on these points:
- Women have the right to wear (if they choose) the hijab.
- I agree about your dislike of billboards and I think that billboards need a certain degree of restrictions imposed on them.
- I agree that women are over-objectified in many Western States to a degree.
However, I disagree with your statements:
- I take freedom to mean Freedom of religion and freedom from religion (although this isn't currently the topic)
- I can't imagine seeing a naked person on mainstream television unless you're watching a late-night program, or are on a dodgy television channel.
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Yes agreed Christian on paper!--- but if they were to follow... they would find themselves in no different a situation than most observing Muslim women!
I don't know if you have seen any of the dove ads running on day time TV?... Would love to share them here but I can't as it is against forum rules!
peace!
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
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format_quote Originally Posted by .:Umniyah:.
umm wow okay i think a mod could step in at anytime now and close this thread. Because i highly doubt that this was the intention of the post. and Conversations are starting to really get out of hand here.
Very true.
What started as a few stray posts in this thread have now resulted in this thread mutating into one about women's rights.
There are many 'Women's Rights In Islam'-type threads that are just a search function away.
I am closing this thread because it has strayed too far from the original post.
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