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    Question What is a perfect forum? (OP)


    A Perfect forum written by brother 'LivingUnderMercy'.

    Assalamu’ alaykum wa rahmatu allahi wa barakatuh…


    I feel compelled to ask this question: What does a “perfect” forum consist of?

    To me, a “perfect” forum is undeniably an Islamically operated one. I don’t mean a forum that enriches its image with the implication of being Islamic -not at all - but I truly mean a forum that regulates, enforces, and most importantly teaches the values of the Quran and Sunnah. Now, you might ask me, how is this possible?

    First of all, it’s a two way street, which demands a broad understanding and compassion from the people in charge as well as the registered members of a forum. On the other hand, most members join forums either because they find their friends mingling in a particular chat arena or because they want to escape the reality of accomplishment by indulging in insignificant chat, which allows them to fill any missing insecurities they have in their personalities. It is sad to say that we find minimal amount of members espousing the agenda to make forums an interactively educational and faithful experience. An Islamic promoted forum could provide a foreground in beneficial reminderss to the many youth that spend long hours surfing the net after landing upon illicit sites. Islamic forums should advertise the Islamic arena and situate itself amongst others so that the youth could be directly linked to safe grounds. Inside, they can be reminded and enlightened with the authentic teaching of Islam. Allah says, “And continue to remind, for surely the reminder profits the believers” (51:55) It is well worth it to say that one could read a verse, a hadith, or a thread and then undergoes a spiritual transformation by the will of Allah, and his/her embraces the signs of Allah. Yet, we are unaware of this. We continue with our idle chats and argue with utter disregard to first-time visitors or new members, who by the way will act upon first impression. Little do we know that many of the guests and members escape the scope of the Internet forums since their first insight into them are a horrific one. They soon are convinced to the vulgarity of some Muslims, and are repulsed by immature acts. This very incident, which happens regularly, detracts from the purpose of establishing forums.

    Can we deny that we sometimes go to forums in hopes of relaxing? No, we cannot. This is a natural and innate feeling that a person wishes to comfort her/himself in a warm and accepting environment. What if we were to say that a person can find a forum that is based upon Islamic values and offers this comfort space they've been seeking, can we not believe that more Muslims will become frequent visitors and soon wish to participate in Islamic discussions and knowledge? Will it not be a great way to spread the dawah of Islam? I am sure every sincere Muslims would love to see this happen. However, the dilemma settles itself in the actions of few members who come to “ruin the fun” as many people like to say. They like to depose their true identity in a symbolic nick, and then hide behind it while causing confusion, hatred, and enmity between the members. Actually, the latest fashion calls to bashing the head admin of a forum if not criticizing him personally. This is undoubtedly the acts of the ignorant and unmannered individuals who by no chance can accept peaceful relations or yield to their mission of disrupting the tranquil/beneficial flow of a forum. This behavior and outlook must change or our measure of time on the Internet will become valueless and for the post part, a time misused. The question we should now ask ourselves is: What is the solution?

    First: Sincerity in actions. Look around you brothers and sisters. Islam is deteriorating outside, knowledge is being abused, and people are lost. Some have taken their homes as bunkers and even more, have committed themselves to shielding their faith with knowledge and spreading authentic dawah. They’ve found forum the perfect place to gain that reward. Before we enter a forum, we should think “ISLAM”, we should think “IMAN”, we should think about these issues and know that nothing brings us here except that we wish to either bring victory to Islam, Increase our faith, or both.

    Secondly: The moment you enter a forum, you are a representative of Islam. Your threads, posts, and words are read by tens, hundreds, and thousands of people. Many people have caused fitnah through these means and allowed others to follow on this path. The sad thing is, threads and posts usually become archives and follow the members where they might go. This concludes us to say that members must remain in the best behavior at all times (Allah is watching at all times), if this is not possible then one must at least opt to silence. This way, you don’t harm a member nor will you be harmed Inshaa Allah.


    Thirdly: Taking advantage of your time. Let the forum be a place you can learn in or help others learn. Post beneficial threads in the appropriate sections and read the ones that can better help in your pursuit of knowledge. Never let the members be your goal or the reputation points but let the goal end with the pleasure of Allah. Keep in mind that Allah might bless the 5 memebers/guests that view your post and He might allow them to benefit from it while he deprives others members who get 1000 views. The objective lies in posting and spreading the knowledge and not how many people read it. Post what you have and don’t look back; just picture your reward in paradise. Forums are by no chance a place of popularity and should not be either. We, as Muslims, worry that Allah hastens our reward in this world and forbids us from having it in the hereafter. Whenever in doubt, remember Allah.

    Fourthly: Stay away from gender relations. Any place we find men and women, we will also find the shaytan in his best disguise. Beware and be smart. What will a member truly gain if he is involved in false impressions and pleasing the other members except a spoilt intention and loss of reward? Be nice to everyone, advise your brothers and sisters, and speak kindly. However, don’t let the heart get tangled in the deceitful impressions of the shaytan especially with the opposite sex.

    Fifthly: Find your role in a forum and stick to it. Every member should find his/her role in the forum they regularly or occasionaly visit. If a member comes to learn then let him/her commit to learning and stay away from all distractions, which means if you see a thread that shows no importance to your agenda then don't open the thread at all. The one posting about subjects of knowledge should not involve him/herself in pointless debates and arguements, which ruins the primary motivation to continue posting. The one who is quick to find good websites/audio/video should be sharing their files and documents with people. If another person is good at advising then he/she should take notice and advise the admins/members/guest and so one especially the ones that look for it. Basically, everyone should reside in their roles in a forum atmosphere rather than bounce around from one to another. I say this because the shaytan comes between a man and his heart and convinces him/her that he/she is being mistreated, misunderstood, or generally an ineffective contributor. You must Ignore these thoughts and remember your purpose and remember your role. If everyone contributes a little to their role the we have a great and strong team of Muslims!

    Sixthly: Finished from the forum? Once you have finished browsing the net for information, checking your emails, and talking to your friends online then it's time to turn off your pc. Try to get back to "real" life and remembering Allah. The computer is only a mean to gain reward and not a goal. It is a way just like other great ways to fulfill diffferent aspects of Islam but honoring parents, keeping ties of kinship, supporting one’s wife, memorizing Quran, helping friends, etc. are usually acts that must be fulfilled from the outskirts of the computer's boundary. It is always best to manage your time and make a list of priorities.

    Most importantly: Duaa! Supplication!

    A forum, in particular the Islamic ones, should acknowledge this system and truly rest their desires and find it in themselves the spirit to work together with fellow members in order to create the best Islamic forums possible. We are well informed that that term perfect is impossible yet that does not stop us from trying. Brothers and sisters, there has to come a time where we take things seriously and place the benefit of this ummah before ours. Islam is our life and Islam must be found everywhere.

    If we cannot follow this practical Islamic system then forums should not be up in the first place. If the harm outweighs the good then we avoid it all together. There comes a time when every Muslim must make his/her own decision and the time is now.


    Let's work to make our time on the net...ISLAMIC.


    Allah Knows Best.

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    Last edited by Far7an; 06-22-2006 at 01:42 PM.
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    Re: What is a perfect forum?

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    Greetings and peace be with you all,

    After four years at LI, I have finally read this thread today, and have to say that the intentions are good and transparent, and you can’t ask for more than that. The mods do a good job keeping the forum respectful and fair, and I do appreciate this, being a Christian on an Islamic forum

    LI has also given me hope that Muslims, Christians and others can work towards a greater peaceful understanding and friendship, and I am very thankful to you all.

    In the spirit of praying for a greater interfaith friendship

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    Re: What is a perfect forum?

    AsSalamOAlaikum WaRehmatuAllah WaBarkatuhu

    SubhaanAllah!!! This should be a sticky.

    Its brilliant, simple and a great reminder for everyone!

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    Re: What is a perfect forum?

    I have been a member for a few months now and I wished I had read this thread right then, because the rules written in the first post are soo good! Masya Allah!
    It will be of great benefits if all new members read it first right after they become a member.
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    Re: What is a perfect forum?

    Hi everyone I'm a new member and I just read this. I have a question about the following:

    It's from point 5
    The one posting about subjects of knowledge should not involve him/herself in pointless debates and arguements, which ruins the primary motivation to continue posting.
    Are you implying that we shouldn't ask questions or argue regarding the faith or why certain things in Islam allowed/not allowed? I'm a little confused...

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    Re: What is a perfect forum?

    Asalamu Alekum

    I suppose that represents annoying questions or comments brought forward causing the users to get repelled away from that particular thread.

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    Re: What is a perfect forum?

    ^ JazakAllah Khair for the bump.

    Great post, I really liked it. JazakAllah Khair.

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    Re: What is a perfect forum?

    That's what we are struggling to achieve, Inshallah.


    Quote Originally Posted by Far7an View Post
    A Perfect forum written by brother 'LivingUnderMercy'.

    Assalamu’ alaykum wa rahmatu allahi wa barakatuh…


    I feel compelled to ask this question: What does a “perfect” forum consist of?

    To me, a “perfect” forum is undeniably an Islamically operated one. I don’t mean a forum that enriches its image with the implication of being Islamic -not at all - but I truly mean a forum that regulates, enforces, and most importantly teaches the values of the Quran and Sunnah. Now, you might ask me, how is this possible?

    First of all, it’s a two way street, which demands a broad understanding and compassion from the people in charge as well as the registered members of a forum. On the other hand, most members join forums either because they find their friends mingling in a particular chat arena or because they want to escape the reality of accomplishment by indulging in insignificant chat, which allows them to fill any missing insecurities they have in their personalities. It is sad to say that we find minimal amount of members espousing the agenda to make forums an interactively educational and faithful experience. An Islamic promoted forum could provide a foreground in beneficial reminderss to the many youth that spend long hours surfing the net after landing upon illicit sites. Islamic forums should advertise the Islamic arena and situate itself amongst others so that the youth could be directly linked to safe grounds. Inside, they can be reminded and enlightened with the authentic teaching of Islam. Allah says, “And continue to remind, for surely the reminder profits the believers” (51:55) It is well worth it to say that one could read a verse, a hadith, or a thread and then undergoes a spiritual transformation by the will of Allah, and his/her embraces the signs of Allah. Yet, we are unaware of this. We continue with our idle chats and argue with utter disregard to first-time visitors or new members, who by the way will act upon first impression. Little do we know that many of the guests and members escape the scope of the Internet forums since their first insight into them are a horrific one. They soon are convinced to the vulgarity of some Muslims, and are repulsed by immature acts. This very incident, which happens regularly, detracts from the purpose of establishing forums.

    Can we deny that we sometimes go to forums in hopes of relaxing? No, we cannot. This is a natural and innate feeling that a person wishes to comfort her/himself in a warm and accepting environment. What if we were to say that a person can find a forum that is based upon Islamic values and offers this comfort space they've been seeking, can we not believe that more Muslims will become frequent visitors and soon wish to participate in Islamic discussions and knowledge? Will it not be a great way to spread the dawah of Islam? I am sure every sincere Muslims would love to see this happen. However, the dilemma settles itself in the actions of few members who come to “ruin the fun” as many people like to say. They like to depose their true identity in a symbolic nick, and then hide behind it while causing confusion, hatred, and enmity between the members. Actually, the latest fashion calls to bashing the head admin of a forum if not criticizing him personally. This is undoubtedly the acts of the ignorant and unmannered individuals who by no chance can accept peaceful relations or yield to their mission of disrupting the tranquil/beneficial flow of a forum. This behavior and outlook must change or our measure of time on the Internet will become valueless and for the post part, a time misused. The question we should now ask ourselves is: What is the solution?

    First: Sincerity in actions. Look around you brothers and sisters. Islam is deteriorating outside, knowledge is being abused, and people are lost. Some have taken their homes as bunkers and even more, have committed themselves to shielding their faith with knowledge and spreading authentic dawah. They’ve found forum the perfect place to gain that reward. Before we enter a forum, we should think “ISLAM”, we should think “IMAN”, we should think about these issues and know that nothing brings us here except that we wish to either bring victory to Islam, Increase our faith, or both.

    Secondly: The moment you enter a forum, you are a representative of Islam. Your threads, posts, and words are read by tens, hundreds, and thousands of people. Many people have caused fitnah through these means and allowed others to follow on this path. The sad thing is, threads and posts usually become archives and follow the members where they might go. This concludes us to say that members must remain in the best behavior at all times (Allah is watching at all times), if this is not possible then one must at least opt to silence. This way, you don’t harm a member nor will you be harmed Inshaa Allah.


    Thirdly: Taking advantage of your time. Let the forum be a place you can learn in or help others learn. Post beneficial threads in the appropriate sections and read the ones that can better help in your pursuit of knowledge. Never let the members be your goal or the reputation points but let the goal end with the pleasure of Allah. Keep in mind that Allah might bless the 5 memebers/guests that view your post and He might allow them to benefit from it while he deprives others members who get 1000 views. The objective lies in posting and spreading the knowledge and not how many people read it. Post what you have and don’t look back; just picture your reward in paradise. Forums are by no chance a place of popularity and should not be either. We, as Muslims, worry that Allah hastens our reward in this world and forbids us from having it in the hereafter. Whenever in doubt, remember Allah.

    Fourthly: Stay away from gender relations. Any place we find men and women, we will also find the shaytan in his best disguise. Beware and be smart. What will a member truly gain if he is involved in false impressions and pleasing the other members except a spoilt intention and loss of reward? Be nice to everyone, advise your brothers and sisters, and speak kindly. However, don’t let the heart get tangled in the deceitful impressions of the shaytan especially with the opposite sex.

    Fifthly: Find your role in a forum and stick to it. Every member should find his/her role in the forum they regularly or occasionaly visit. If a member comes to learn then let him/her commit to learning and stay away from all distractions, which means if you see a thread that shows no importance to your agenda then don't open the thread at all. The one posting about subjects of knowledge should not involve him/herself in pointless debates and arguements, which ruins the primary motivation to continue posting. The one who is quick to find good websites/audio/video should be sharing their files and documents with people. If another person is good at advising then he/she should take notice and advise the admins/members/guest and so one especially the ones that look for it. Basically, everyone should reside in their roles in a forum atmosphere rather than bounce around from one to another. I say this because the shaytan comes between a man and his heart and convinces him/her that he/she is being mistreated, misunderstood, or generally an ineffective contributor. You must Ignore these thoughts and remember your purpose and remember your role. If everyone contributes a little to their role the we have a great and strong team of Muslims!

    Sixthly: Finished from the forum? Once you have finished browsing the net for information, checking your emails, and talking to your friends online then it's time to turn off your pc. Try to get back to "real" life and remembering Allah. The computer is only a mean to gain reward and not a goal. It is a way just like other great ways to fulfill diffferent aspects of Islam but honoring parents, keeping ties of kinship, supporting one’s wife, memorizing Quran, helping friends, etc. are usually acts that must be fulfilled from the outskirts of the computer's boundary. It is always best to manage your time and make a list of priorities.

    Most importantly: Duaa! Supplication!

    A forum, in particular the Islamic ones, should acknowledge this system and truly rest their desires and find it in themselves the spirit to work together with fellow members in order to create the best Islamic forums possible. We are well informed that that term perfect is impossible yet that does not stop us from trying. Brothers and sisters, there has to come a time where we take things seriously and place the benefit of this ummah before ours. Islam is our life and Islam must be found everywhere.

    If we cannot follow this practical Islamic system then forums should not be up in the first place. If the harm outweighs the good then we avoid it all together. There comes a time when every Muslim must make his/her own decision and the time is now.


    Let's work to make our time on the net...ISLAMIC.


    Allah Knows Best.

    Brother Living
    Admin, www.uponsunnah.com
    What is a perfect forum?

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    Re: What is a perfect forum?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tilmeez View Post
    That's what we are struggling to achieve, Inshallah.
    Asalaamu Alaikum, jazakallahu khayran for the wonderful and very relevant article which we should all read every now and thenjust to remind ourselves of why we use these forums in the first place. One part of the article which is very relevant is:

    We continue with our idle chats and argue with utter disregard to first-time visitors or new members, who by the way will act upon first impression. Little do we know that many of the guests and members escape the scope of the Internet forums since their first insight into them are a horrific one. They soon are convinced to the vulgarity of some Muslims, and are repulsed by immature acts. This very incident, which happens regularly, detracts from the purpose of establishing forums.

    So let us remind ourselves of our purpose here and that we are here solely for the pleasure of Allah so that we may remind one another, learn, share and invite others towards the truth and straight path. We must not partake in useless and idle chat or in threads which do not benefit us and we must conduct ourselves in the best way possible and also be very selective which threads awe take part in.

    We should think to ourselves will taking part in this thread benefit me or anyone else or am i just going to lose my cool and use anger and emotion rather than wisdom and knowledge which only shows a weak argument. So let us post here solely for the intention of pleasing Allah using Islamic principles, morals and values and not using our emotions or desires where we will let shaythan partake in our posts.
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    Re: What is a perfect forum?

    You said it really well; i joined this forum to learn and teach what little wisdom I have, You are right, let's make this forum useful and a wonderful experience in learning healthy things. Thanks!
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    What is a perfect forum?

    “Indeed the patient will be given their reward without account.” :love:
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    Re: What is a perfect forum?

    A forum without those stinking mods and dumb administrators . That was for you IB staff!

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    Re: What is a perfect forum?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreakOffALeash View Post
    A forum without those stinking mods and dumb administrators
    Isn't there a rule against insulting the mods?

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    Re: What is a perfect forum?

    what is a perfect forum all of above an understanding admins..we are all users...

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    Re: What is a perfect forum?

    it is a forum that is perfect. LLLLOL

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    Re: What is a perfect forum?

    i only have few complaints.lol..just noting on how well the site itself can re address certain rules,which shouldn't effect the usage of ones account...i have 14 notifications..i can not even display.or touch my profile...these two things do not come into anyone taking advantage of the site,there are ways the problem of anyone taking advantage of a site can tackled better.. reminds me of school.when others used to do wrong,but the whole class you to suffer for it...lol...people will leave not because it isnt informative but because of the rules on awaiting to use an account and not as someone said because they want to cause problems....i see issues i talk about them,and try to solve them,or to look at them from the different angles and see what we have missed in the growth..apart from Allaah nothing can claim perfection...dot want to take away the goodness of wht the brother has shared ..so im leaving it here In sha Allaah

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    Re: What is a perfect forum?

    This is a really great topic

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    Re: What is a perfect forum?

    Isn't it great?

    I like reading and researching when the mood takes me or when curiousity strikes. I search the web, read books, and at times end up in forums in my quest for answers. I remember chancing across one where not a few minutes I was on, a small window popped up asking me to join, it says they know of my presence and that they consider me like a stalker looking at their site without declaring myself there, I suppose.. Admittedly it was a good site, and I was tempted to sign up but that initial impression made me leave.

    I signed up here instead.


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    Re: What is a perfect forum?

    May our forum be as close to perfect as possible
    Aameen
    and great post Akhi!!
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    Re: What is a perfect forum?

    Well it all depends on the individual, just like a family, some children cause a lot of arguments, some parents are too strict and some are too easy, but at the end of the day everyone benefits from the communication, to me that is the perfect forum.

    But Forums today are manage by moderators, it is like having a policemen in your home trying to keep an eye on things and keep everyone in there place, I do understand how chaotic forums can be, but that is the fun in family life, having to work things out together and knowing who is the idiot in the family and who not to bother to get any advice from.

    I have been on the Internet since it first started, I must say the forum I enjoyed the most in its early years was Sarawak talk, linked to Malaysia net. it was mad, but the reality is a lot of families are mad, that's what makes it natural.

    I feel that the Internet and its forums now are control by government, to keep the people in their place, and to prevent them from ever being able to communicate with each other under all conditions.

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    Re: What is a perfect forum?

    Quote Originally Posted by Far7an View Post
    Before we enter a forum, we should think “ISLAM”, we should think “IMAN”, we should think about these issues and know that nothing brings us here except that we wish to either bring victory to Islam, Increase our faith, or both.

    The moment you enter a forum, you are a representative of Islam. Your threads, posts, and words are read by tens, hundreds, and thousands of people.

    This concludes us to say that members must remain in the best behavior at all times (Allah is watching at all times), if this is not possible then one must at least opt to silence. This way, you don’t harm a member nor will you be harmed Inshaa Allah.

    Thirdly: Taking advantage of your time. Let the forum be a place you can learn in or help others learn. Post beneficial threads in the appropriate sections and read the ones that can better help in your pursuit of knowledge. Never let the members be your goal or the reputation points but let the goal end with the pleasure of Allah. Keep in mind that Allah might bless the 5 memebers/guests that view your post and He might allow them to benefit from it while he deprives others members who get 1000 views. The objective lies in posting and spreading the knowledge and not how many people read it. Post what you have and don’t look back; just picture your reward in paradise. Forums are by no chance a place of popularity and should not be either. We, as Muslims, worry that Allah hastens our reward in this world and forbids us from having it in the hereafter. Whenever in doubt, remember Allah.

    Fifthly: Find your role in a forum and stick to it. Every member should find his/her role in the forum they regularly or occasionaly visit. If a member comes to learn then let him/her commit to learning and stay away from all distractions, which means if you see a thread that shows no importance to your agenda then don't open the thread at all. The one posting about subjects of knowledge should not involve him/herself in pointless debates and arguements, which ruins the primary motivation to continue posting. The one who is quick to find good websites/audio/video should be sharing their files and documents with people. If another person is good at advising then he/she should take notice and advise the admins/members/guest and so one especially the ones that look for it. Basically, everyone should reside in their roles in a forum atmosphere rather than bounce around from one to another. I say this because the shaytan comes between a man and his heart and convinces him/her that he/she is being mistreated, misunderstood, or generally an ineffective contributor. You must Ignore these thoughts and remember your purpose and remember your role. If everyone contributes a little to their role the we have a great and strong team of Muslims!

    Sixthly: Finished from the forum? Once you have finished browsing the net for information, checking your emails, and talking to your friends online then it's time to turn off your pc. Try to get back to "real" life and remembering Allah. The computer is only a mean to gain reward and not a goal. It is a way just like other great ways to fulfill diffferent aspects of Islam but honoring parents, keeping ties of kinship, supporting one’s wife, memorizing Quran, helping friends, etc. are usually acts that must be fulfilled from the outskirts of the computer's boundary. It is always best to manage your time and make a list of priorities.

    Most importantly: Duaa! Supplication!
    Awesome text. This is so important for us to benefit more from the forum.
    What is a perfect forum?


    Those who believe and obscure not their belief by wrongdoing, theirs is safety; and they are rightly guided. (6:86)

    Behold! verily on the friends of Allah there is no fear, nor shall they grieve. (10:62)

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