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    Reference : Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2187
    In-book reference : Book 33, Hadith 30
    English translation : Vol. 4, Book 7, Hadith 2187

    (24) Chapter: What has been Related About The Description Of The Renegades(24)
    باب فِي صِفَةِ الْمَارِقَةِ
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    Abdullah [bin Mas'ud] narrated that the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w) said:

    "In the end of time there will come a people young in years, foolish in minds, reciting the Qur'an which will not go beyond their throats, uttering sayings from the best of creatures, going through the religion as an arrow goes through the target."

    حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو كُرَيْبٍ، مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ الْعَلاَءِ حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو بَكْرِ بْنُ عَيَّاشٍ، عَنْ عَاصِمٍ، عَنْ زِرٍّ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ مَسْعُودٍ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ "‏ يَخْرُجُ فِي آخِرِ الزَّمَانِ قَوْمٌ أَحْدَاثُ الأَسْنَانِ سُفَهَاءُ الأَحْلاَمِ يَقْرَءُونَ الْقُرْآنَ لاَ يُجَاوِزُ تَرَاقِيَهُمْ يَقُولُونَ مِنْ قَوْلِ خَيْرِ الْبَرِيَّةِ يَمْرُقُونَ مِنَ الدِّينِ كَمَا يَمْرُقُ السَّهْمُ مِنَ الرَّمِيَّةِ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى وَفِي الْبَابِ عَنْ عَلِيٍّ وَأَبِي سَعِيدٍ وَأَبِي ذَرٍّ ‏.‏ وَهَذَا حَدِيثٌ حَسَنٌ صَحِيحٌ ‏.‏ وَقَدْ رُوِيَ فِي غَيْرِ هَذَا الْحَدِيثِ عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم حَيْثُ وَصَفَ هَؤُلاَءِ الْقَوْمَ الَّذِينَ يَقْرَءُونَ الْقُرْآنَ لاَ يُجَاوِزُ تَرَاقِيَهُمْ يَمْرُقُونَ مِنَ الدِّينِ كَمَا يَمْرُقُ السَّهْمُ مِنَ الرَّمِيَّةِ إِنَّمَا هُمُ الْخَوَارِجُ وَالْحَرُورِيَّةُ وَغَيْرُهُمْ مِنَ الْخَوَارِجِ
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person View Post
    What we need to focus on is this "..going through the religion as an arrow goes through the target." This means to go FAST towards the core of the religion like a arrow goes towards it's target, but when the arrows goes through it, it goes as fast it went to the target it goes away from the target. A arrows when goes through the target, doesn't come back. This behavior i have ONLY seen with ISIS. They talked soo good about Islam and everything they said going so fast to the core of Islam and what it stands for. No nationalism, unity, no sects, back to REAL currency (gold, silver etc.), women covered, no western media corruption of the mind etc. etc., but the fast they talked about and practiced it, they went through their target completely. So the hadith aren't used as just a hadith, it is a reason why Rasullah(saws) uses certain examples for us to ponder about and see similarities with them. The youtube sheikh's spreading rather corruption instead of Islam, they find apologetic excuses for certain practices in Islam. For example in Islam if a boy or a girl becomes a teenager based on their right timing, they become a man and a woman. You, me and every other Muslim says this is Islam and there is NOTHING to be ashamed of. If 15 year old boy and 15 year old girl both want to marry each other and the parents both agree in Islam this is completely permissible. Forced marriages are not permissible even not legit according to Islamic rulings. I once read a youtube comment of a Muslim sister saying "every religion has it's flaws". I was like "whaaaaat..." Maybe i have missed some other group that you guys can say those fit the picture.
    I even doubt if it is an Islamic group. I never try to know what they say. Probably you know them better than I
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    Re: Beware of these people

    Quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    I even doubt if it is an Islamic group. I never try to know what they say. Probably you know them better than I
    OOh such a group NOT belonging to Islam, is without a doubt. Islam is clear in it's boundaries. So if somebody go over those boundaries that shows it rather that with intention it is done to go over those boundaries.

    With ISIS, at the beginning they said some thing, but when i saw in a video one hitting a prisoner, that was already for me sort of clear to take a step away from them seeing so called "Islamic rulings". Later on we saw or well many have seen their brutal acts. Till this day i have NOT seen even 1 video where they butchered somebody or set somebody on fire. I only have seen a short video them shooting prisoners with a handgun through the head but that was it.

    Seeing something that brutal isn't really good for one's psychological state. Whatever it may be, i have strong feelings that even "those black flags" of ISIS were meant to deceive Muslims on portraying the black flags of the promised one so they could gather all Muslims and kill them by masses. However they plan and Allah plans and Allah is the best of planners.

    What all has happened is people becoming more serious with religion if they were Muslim but not practicing or converted to Islam or hypocrites leaving Islam because of creation of ISIS.

    Last edited by Simple_Person; 04-24-2017 at 06:58 PM.
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    Re: Beware of these people

    Quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    but I don't follow these televengalists...
    Then I suppose you can't really comment on them. I follow popular religious speakers such as Mufti Menk on the internet in my own free time as I am too busy otherwise to attend specific local islamic talks/events at specific times & date (Alhamdulillah for the internet where I can listen to talks whenever it is convenient for me). My opinion is all good when it comes to the popular Islamic speakers that I have time to follow.

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    Re: Beware of these people

    Quote Originally Posted by Sakina'17 View Post
    Then I suppose you can't really comment on them. I follow popular religious speakers such as Mufti Menk on the internet in my own free time as I am too busy otherwise to attend specific local islamic talks/events at specific times & date (Alhamdulillah for the internet where I can listen to talks whenever it is convenient for me). My opinion is all good when it comes to the popular Islamic speakers that I have time to follow.
    I think he is a good scholar. I 've never heard his lecturer though
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