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    Re: Is coca cola really harraam?


    My simple principle is that I find anything labeled as haram or doubtful by scholars I abstain from using it
    Is coca cola really harraam?

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    Re: Is coca cola really harraam?


    Quote Originally Posted by Muslimah inshal View Post
    I don't know if I'm allowed to ask this . And what about coffee ?
    I love coffee! I certainly hope it's not haram!

    In that case, I might as well ask about caffeinated things in general. Bear in mind that many teas also contain caffeine, and are not necessarily bad for you. In fact, many teas are full of antioxidants. Thoughts?

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    Re: Is coca cola really harraam?


    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixBird View Post
    I love coffee! I certainly hope it's not haram!

    In that case, I might as well ask about caffeinated things in general. Bear in mind that many teas also contain caffeine, and are not necessarily bad for you. In fact, many teas are full of antioxidants. Thoughts?
    It's absolutely not haram . Neither is tea.

    Fun fact: Coffee was popularized by Muslims because they would use it to help them stay awake for worship. There's a city in Yemen called Mocha where the coffee bean/drink originated. Back then, nonMuslims disapproved and even banned coffee simply because it was associated with Muslims and islam. They didn't want any of our influence.
    Is coca cola really harraam?

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    Re: Is coca cola really harraam?


    Well couple years ago I read that very very small traces of alcohol in coca cola. Although there are scholars that give certain amount of alcohol which makes something haram.

    Alcohol is in almost anything one could say. For example I eat dates almost daily and sometimes when the sugar in the dates has fermented it becomes also alcohol as the taste is clearly. I have thrown those away now and then. However with alcohol even Coca Cola had confirmed this and still according to scholarly few not being haram I asked myself what is so beneficial drinking it? Well all the sugar and stuff in it isn't beneficial for me anyways so I stopped drinking it. The last time I drank it was last December but that was at somebodies house and a person had died. So I did not want to make a big issue out of it. While before that the last time I drank it was somewhere in 2014 or so when I decided to not drink it anymore.
    Is coca cola really harraam?

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    Re: Is coca cola really harraam?


    Quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person View Post
    Well couple years ago I read that very very small traces of alcohol in coca cola. Although there are scholars that give certain amount of alcohol which makes something haram.

    Alcohol is in almost anything one could say. For example I eat dates almost daily and sometimes when the sugar in the dates has fermented it becomes also alcohol as the taste is clearly. I have thrown those away now and then. However with alcohol even Coca Cola had confirmed this and still according to scholarly few not being haram I asked myself what is so beneficial drinking it? Well all the sugar and stuff in it isn't beneficial for me anyways so I stopped drinking it. The last time I drank it was last December but that was at somebodies house and a person had died. So I did not want to make a big issue out of it. While before that the last time I drank it was somewhere in 2014 or so when I decided to not drink it anymore.
    I know it's not good for me but like who cares even apples got alcohol in it so it can't be haram it just depends if it was alcohol made on purpose like you purposely spend 1 million years fermenting it or whatever it's called

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    Re: Is coca cola really harraam?


    Quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person View Post
    Well couple years ago I read that very very small traces of alcohol in coca cola. Although there are scholars that give certain amount of alcohol which makes something haram. Alcohol is in almost anything one could say. For example I eat dates almost daily and sometimes when the sugar in the dates has fermented it becomes also alcohol as the taste is clearly. I have thrown those away now and then. However with alcohol even Coca Cola had confirmed this and still according to scholarly few not being haram I asked myself what is so beneficial drinking it? Well all the sugar and stuff in it isn't beneficial for me anyways so I stopped drinking it. The last time I drank it was last December but that was at somebodies house and a person had died. So I did not want to make a big issue out of it. While before that the last time I drank it was somewhere in 2014 or so when I decided to not drink it anymore.
    if cocacola contains alcohol then it must be avoided.
    Is coca cola really harraam?

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    Re: Is coca cola really harraam?


    Quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    if cocacola contains alcohol then it must be avoided.
    Brother look more deeply in this subject. Stop eating certain kind of food not only because of alcohol like I said alcohol contains in almost every food however take your distance from food and drinks like coca cola because it isn't good for your health either.

    I know it is strange and all and follow also your kind of approach of something being haram or doubtful I also just leave it.
    Is coca cola really harraam?

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    Re: Is coca cola really harraam?


    Yeah I also don't drink coca cola anymore .

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    Re: Is coca cola really harraam?


    Quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person View Post
    Brother look more deeply in this subject. Stop eating certain kind of food not only because of alcohol like I said alcohol contains in almost every food however take your distance from food and drinks like coca cola because it isn't good for your health either.

    I know it is strange and all and follow also your kind of approach of something being haram or doubtful I also just leave it.
    Your analogy isn't correct. Food is halal and alcohol is haram.
    Is coca cola really harraam?

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    Re: Is coca cola really harraam?


    I find this quite hard to answer.. like, is it really that easy? I am not saying it is halal, or haram. Because Idk.

    But say, apples.. or dates.. they ferment naturally, they might contain traces of alcohol, right?

    So who can really say it is haram? I mean, some fruits may ferment, and contain minute alcohol.

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    Re: Is coca cola really harraam?


    Quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    Your analogy isn't correct. Food is halal and alcohol is haram.
    You have misunderstood my comment, but i blame myself for not using the right words to say what i mean.

    Coca Cola contains very small traces of alcohol and when i read back then the company itself confirmed this. However the scholarly view was that such small elements of alcohol is still permitted.

    My approach was somehow different.

    I asked myself, this contains VERY VERY small traces of alcohol right? Yes
    So based on scholarly view is it halal? yes
    However if it later on was haram but they made a mistake will i also be held accountable for it for still drinking it? probably yes
    Are there alternative drinks that i can drink with 100% certainty not dying? yes
    Has Coca Cola other benefits for me to drink it? no, as it contains much unnecessary elements in high contrast..(sugar, coloring, taste..etc.)

    Dates for example if they are left alone for some time as i said earlier the sugar in the dates will also ferment and turn in to alcohol. During the time as an atheist i have tasted alcohol and i know how it tastes, so based on that i throw away the alcohol fermented dates. Food is food, but when it would have certain negative effect on you, you cannot see it as food to eat. This food not to eat is rather as i see in two different categories. Food DEFINITELY forbidden by Allah, unless your life depends on. (alcohol, pork, blood etc.) and there is food that YOU know as Allah has given you a brain to think and to reason to say this food although halal, better avoid it. Which food am i talking about? Processed food, fast food, food that contains coloring and other additives that would cause the body act differently.

    The food that i am talking about for example, a pizza. I get a lot of gas in my belly when eating food that contains a lot of oil. Also food that for me if i eat it, i get VERY VERY thirsty..this means the a lot of salt or in other words a lot of natrium/sodium aka ..higher blood pressure from it. Besides this there are additives in food like E621. This gives the food a stronger taste, just like salt, however what this additive also does is take away your satisfactory feeling. So when you eat food that contains E621, usually when you eat after sometime you feel the "full"-feeling, however this additive takes away this "full"-feeling. Which means you might keep eating. (getting fat and stuff).

    So this is what i am trying to say. In the past people were SUPER skinny. The question we must ask ourselves is WHY? Because food was food. We baked our own bread, we cooked healthy every day. We ate much less food, we ate much less meat, we ate more vegetables. The vegetables we bought from another farmer or planted ourselves. In those times people used manure to enrich the soil, used compost of dead leaves etc. to also enrich the soil. Now a days all chemical stuff is given to the plants that suck it up and end up in our food. Authorities say such small amounts do not harm you, which one could agree, however if you eat, tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers, lettuce, etc. etc. ..those "small" amounts suddenly become A LOT. In the past crops failed or simply farmers would use "trap-plants". They would for example plant a certain plant next to a crop that would attract bugs and thus the bugs would leave the crops alone and go and eat from the "trap-plant" instead.

    So brother, things are a BIT more complicated then how it seems.
    Is coca cola really harraam?

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    Re: Is coca cola really harraam?


    Quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person View Post
    You have misunderstood my comment, but i blame myself for not using the right words to say what i mean.

    Coca Cola contains very small traces of alcohol and when i read back then the company itself confirmed this. However the scholarly view was that such small elements of alcohol is still permitted.

    My approach was somehow different.

    I asked myself, this contains VERY VERY small traces of alcohol right? Yes
    So based on scholarly view is it halal? yes
    However if it later on was haram but they made a mistake will i also be held accountable for it for still drinking it? probably yes
    Are there alternative drinks that i can drink with 100% certainty not dying? yes
    Has Coca Cola other benefits for me to drink it? no, as it contains much unnecessary elements in high contrast..(sugar, coloring, taste..etc.)

    Dates for example if they are left alone for some time as i said earlier the sugar in the dates will also ferment and turn in to alcohol. During the time as an atheist i have tasted alcohol and i know how it tastes, so based on that i throw away the alcohol fermented dates. Food is food, but when it would have certain negative effect on you, you cannot see it as food to eat. This food not to eat is rather as i see in two different categories. Food DEFINITELY forbidden by Allah, unless your life depends on. (alcohol, pork, blood etc.) and there is food that YOU know as Allah has given you a brain to think and to reason to say this food although halal, better avoid it. Which food am i talking about? Processed food, fast food, food that contains coloring and other additives that would cause the body act differently.

    The food that i am talking about for example, a pizza. I get a lot of gas in my belly when eating food that contains a lot of oil. Also food that for me if i eat it, i get VERY VERY thirsty..this means the a lot of salt or in other words a lot of natrium/sodium aka ..higher blood pressure from it. Besides this there are additives in food like E621. This gives the food a stronger taste, just like salt, however what this additive also does is take away your satisfactory feeling. So when you eat food that contains E621, usually when you eat after sometime you feel the "full"-feeling, however this additive takes away this "full"-feeling. Which means you might keep eating. (getting fat and stuff).

    So this is what i am trying to say. In the past people were SUPER skinny. The question we must ask ourselves is WHY? Because food was food. We baked our own bread, we cooked healthy every day. We ate much less food, we ate much less meat, we ate more vegetables. The vegetables we bought from another farmer or planted ourselves. In those times people used manure to enrich the soil, used compost of dead leaves etc. to also enrich the soil. Now a days all chemical stuff is given to the plants that suck it up and end up in our food. Authorities say such small amounts do not harm you, which one could agree, however if you eat, tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers, lettuce, etc. etc. ..those "small" amounts suddenly become A LOT. In the past crops failed or simply farmers would use "trap-plants". They would for example plant a certain plant next to a crop that would attract bugs and thus the bugs would leave the crops alone and go and eat from the "trap-plant" instead.

    So brother, things are a BIT more complicated then how it seems.
    Bro I know how nuanced this issue is.

    If you go in deep and consult the scholars, will advise you to stay away from it.

    Great scholars of past differed in definition of alcohol.

    If the alcohol is made of dates and grapes then even small quantity is prohibited.

    However, alcohol is extracted from any other plant then small quantity can be used in medicine etc provided that it doesn't intoxicate.

    Of food : if any food is harmful for health, should be avoided, despite being halal.
    Last edited by azc; 1 Day Ago at 11:48 AM.
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