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    Don't Eat This Fish - Pangasius

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    Don’t Eat this fish: Pangas (Pangasius, Vietnamese River Cobbler, White Catfish, Grey Sole






    Cheap cheap fish! The above is an ad (from one of the large supermarket chains in France) for the fish known as Pangas (also called, Pangasius, Vietnamese River Cobbler, Basa Fish and White Catfish, Tra, Gray Sole). It was a reminder to tell you about the dangers of this strange but increasingly popular fish. I learned about them and how they’re raised a while ago on an informative documentary online here: Documentary about Pangas. (which is in French. If you don’t speak French, read below.)
    Would the French call it Poisson ou poison?



    Industrially farmed in Vietnam along the Mekong River, Pangas or whatever they’re calling it, has only been recently introduced to the French market. However, in a very short amount of time, it has grown in popularity in France. The French are slurping up Pangas like it’s their last meal of soup noodles. They are very, very affordable (cheap), are sold in filets with no bones and they have a neutral (bland) flavor and texture; many would compare it to cod and sole, only much cheaper. But as tasty as some people may find it, there’s, in fact, something hugely unsavory about it. I hope the information provided here will serve as very important information for you and your future choices. Here’s why I think it is better left in the shops (and not on your dinner plates):







    1. Pangas are teeming with high levels of poisons and bacteria. (industrial effluents, arsenic, and toxic and hazardous by-products of the growing industrial sector, polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), DDT and its metabolites (DDTs), metal contaminants, chlordane-related compounds (CHLs), hexachlorocyclohexane isomers (HCHs), and hexachlorobenzene (HCB)). The reasons are that the Mekong River is one of the most polluted rivers on the planet and this is where pangas are farmed and industries along the river dump chemicals and industrial waste directly into it. To Note: a friend lab tests these fish and tells us to avoid eating them due to high amounts of contamination. Regardless of the reports and recommendations against selling them, the supermarkets still sell them to the general public knowing they are contaminated.



    2. They freeze Pangas in contaminated river water. Ew.



    3. Pangas are not environmentally sustainable, a most unsustainable food you could possibly eat– “Buy local” means creating the least amount of environmental harm as possible. This is the very opposite end of the spectrum of sustainable consumerism. Pangas are raised in Vietnam. Pangas are fed food that comes from Peru (more on that below), their hormones (which are injected into the female Pangas) come from China. (More about that below) and finally, they are transported from Vietnam to France. That’s not just a giant carbon foot print, that’s a carbon continent of a foot print.




    4. There’s nothing natural about Pangas – They’re fed dead fish remnants and bones, dried and ground into a flour, from South America, manioc (cassava) and residue from soy and grains. This kind of nourishment doesn’t even remotely resemble what they eat in nature. But what it doesresemble is the method of feeding mad cows (cows were fed cows, remember?) What they feed pangas is completely unregulated so there are most likely other dangerous substances and hormones thrown into the mix. The pangas grow at a speed light (practically!): 4 times faster than in nature…so it makes you wonder what exactly is in their food? Your guess is as good as mine.






    5. Pangas are Injected with Hormones Derived from Urine – I don’t know how someone came up with this one out but they’ve discovered that if they inject female Pangas with hormones made from the dehydrated urine of pregnant women, the female Pangas grow much quicker and produce eggs faster (one Panga can lay approximately 500,000 eggs at one time). Essentially, they’re injecting fish with hormones (they come all of the way from a pharmaceutical company in China) to speed up the process of growth and reproduction. That isn’t good. Some of you might not mind eating fish injected with dehydrated pee so if you don’t good for you, but just consider the rest of the reasons to NOT eat it.
    6. You get what you pay for – and then some. Don’t be lured in by insanely cheap price of Pangas. Is it worth risking your health and the health of your family?



    7. Buying Pangas supports unscrupulous, greedy evil corporations and food conglomerates that don’t care about the health and well-being of human beings. They only are concerned about selling as many pangas as possible to unsuspecting consumers. These corporations only care about selling and making more money at whatever cost to the public.8. Pangas will make you sick – If (for reasons in #1 above) you don’t get immediately ill with vomiting, diarrhea and effects from severe food poisoning, congratulations, you have an iron stomach! But you’re still ingesting POISON not poisson.Final important note: Because of the prodigious amount of availability of Pangas, be warned that they will certainly find their way into other foods: surimi (those pressed fish things, imitation crab sticks), fish sticks, fish terrines, and probably in some pet foods. (Warn your dogs and cats and hamsters and gerbils and even your pet fish!)







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    Re: Don't Eat This Fish - Pangasius

    this is a common situation, like the chickens raised in the US, most are fed corn and pumped with hormones its causing havoc on our systems, many animals raised for food are often cannibalized and injected with growth hormones, its rather disturbing I wish I could just live on a homestead growing and raising my own food

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    Re: Don't Eat This Fish - Pangasius

    Quote Originally Posted by Nate View Post
    this is a common situation, like the chickens raised in the US, most are fed corn and pumped with hormones its causing havoc on our systems, many animals raised for food are often cannibalized and injected with growth hormones, its rather disturbing I wish I could just live on a homestead growing and raising my own food
    True.
    And when german cows were fed with their own brothers, they developed mad cow disease.
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    Re: Don't Eat This Fish - Pangasius

    ^Agreed. Same thing happened in the UK.

    I saw the revolting filth in this fish with my own eyes. I was washing a fillet and noticed little black specks that looked like dirt. Even when I washed it until I thought the fish would break, but the dirt didn't shift. I held the fish closer to my eyes and saw there was a pattern of thin black lines running through the whole of the fish. It was the contaminated waste stuck in the fishes's veins.
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    Re: Don't Eat This Fish - Pangasius

    please don't eat things with weird names. they're unhealthy.

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    Re: Don't Eat This Fish - Pangasius

    ^ Agreed lol
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    Re: Don't Eat This Fish - Pangasius

    it's all a big lie
    I have never eaten this fish
    but know a lot how to farm fish and the whole cycle
    the thing you have mentioned above no way a fish can survive in these conditions
    i am planning to farm panguasis and have done a lot of research
    They are raised in mostly circular farms in Indonesia
    where the technology is very advanced in fish farming
    they are using bio floc technique to raise fish
    water quality is checked daily
    Please stop spreading lies in name of Islam

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    Re: Don't Eat This Fish - Pangasius

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhaba View Post
    please don't eat things with weird names. they're unhealthy.
    It's the English that give it weird names. We just call it fangash
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    Re: Don't Eat This Fish - Pangasius

    I would not eat this fish anyways, as a Hanafi follower, strictly, it would be permissible...but catfishes are usually scavengers...they eat anything and are therefore swimming trash cans.
    We are recommended to stick to the lower sections of the food chain.

    So, I have to pass on this one.

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    Re: Don't Eat This Fish - Pangasius

    Quote Originally Posted by Ümit View Post
    I would not eat this fish anyways, as a Hanafi follower, strictly, it would be permissible...but catfishes are usually scavengers...they eat anything and are therefore swimming trash cans.
    We are recommended to stick to the lower sections of the food chain.

    So, I have to pass on this one.
    This is against sunnah to despise halal food bro, you could dislike a certain halal food but you shouldn't disparage it as it is Allah's ni'mat
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed. View Post
    This is against sunnah to despise halal food bro, you could dislike a certain halal food but you shouldn't disparage it as it is Allah's ni'mat
    İ am not disparagating it. İ already mentioned that it was halal to Hanafis to consume. i just said that İ dislike it and gave a reason why İ dislike it.
    now that İ think about it...chickens are also walking trash cans...and İ do like chicken...

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    Re: Don't Eat This Fish - Pangasius

    Quote Originally Posted by Ümit View Post
    İ am not disparagating it. İ already mentioned that it was halal to Hanafis to consume. i just said that İ dislike it and gave a reason why İ dislike it.
    now that İ think about it...chickens are also walking trash cans...and İ do like chicken...
    But calling it trash cans is disparaging it br; just imagine if a poor guy in a 3rd world country catches just a cat fish to feed his family and he reads your post?.

    The Prophet (saw) disliked eating sand lizards (although they are halal) but he never said a bad word about them
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    Re: Don't Eat This Fish - Pangasius

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed. View Post
    But calling it trash cans is disparaging it br; just imagine if a poor guy in a 3rd world country catches just a cat fish to feed his family and he reads your post?.

    The Prophet (saw) disliked eating sand lizards (although they are halal) but he never said a bad word about them
    yes you are right about that. İ am sorry..

    but wait a minute...sand lizards are halal?

    i thought any kind of reptiles were haraam


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