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    I want to go gym in ramadan but is it a good idea or would it be bad for my health??
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    Re: Lifting weights in ramadan, a good idea?

    Salam Alaikum brother

    I love the gym,but personally I wouldn't go,i am giving it a miss this month,...I got fairly big with gym I'm not the tallest in height,imstocky to medium built, my weight goes up & down,between just 12st.7lbs & 11st.7lbs ,...right now due to fasting I'm down only 10st.12st last time I weighed myself, & I feel I have lost more weight & mass I can see it in my face & shoulders,..Gym imo wont be good idea,as with weight training or cardio you have to eat meals throughout the day,whether it be high protein or high carbs if youre bulking/cutting or just trying to keep fit,i would store your energy & just concentrate on fasting,but its up to you

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    Re: Lifting weights in ramadan, a good idea?

    I want to go to the gym to but it's better to do somthing like taraweeh it's Ramadan and if you do it in the day you'll get thirsty so avoid it plus many times there's women there I'm not saying it's haram I'm just saying your fasting just stay away from it you won't gain much from it because if you didn't eat then you won't have protein which will make your muscles so no muscle gain only fat loss and muscle loss
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    Brother you will not get muscle loss as how they portray it. It is all lies. What you need to do is just work out very lightly. So for example max 30 min. Do remember this in your own time and make taraweeh and such a higher priority.
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    Re: Lifting weights in ramadan, a good idea?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Zeal View Post
    I want to go gym in ramadan but is it a good idea or would it be bad for my health??
    Fasting and working out is one of the best ways to get in shape! You just have to make sure that your macros are on point. So don't skimp out on your protein since it's required to build muscle. Look up intermittent fasting..it'll give you ideas of what people do.
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    Fasting and working out is one of the best ways to get in shape! You just have to make sure that your macros are on point. So don't skimp out on your protein since it's required to build muscle. Look up intermittent fasting..it'll give you ideas of what people do.

    You are right.. we need protein to build muscle..just like silverback gorilla it also eats a lot of protein...ooh wait..it is a vegetarian .. o_o?? ..We need to stop spreading this fake information. The body needs certain balanced diet and even muscle you will get, but one doesn't need that specific protein shakes etc.. all rubbish and poison to the body. Protein is in almost all the foods just eat healthy and different. I eat sesame seeds (chew them till they get all like a porridge). Sesame seeds contain a lot of amino acids which are the building blocks for muscle. However this you will not hear as many companies will suffer..especially meat companies. Look at Rasullah(saws) what i have heard is he didn't eat meat that often.

    When one often goes to the gym, much food is consumed, and the body has to work 24/7 because of certain diet. The organs also have their limit and will feel the burden of it. Although somebody might look good on the outside, doesn't mean they look good on the inside. We have become sooo focused on our bodies, but our heart is as fat as it gets (bad character etc.). To build good body, it starts with starting a good foundation of the mind/heart. That is why somebody will seek alternative ways and opinions regarding health.
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    I didnt say protein shakes :P i said protein as in a macronutrient. Like you said, its in veggies as well as meats. One still needs to ensure their protein intake is sufficient enough to build muscle or maintain it especially when weightlifting because you are tearing the muscle fibers and protein is what repairs them. Doesnt really matter where the source of protein comes from.
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    Thanks for the informative posts
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    I'll just give it a try a see how it goes iA
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    Re: Lifting weights in ramadan, a good idea?

    format_quote Originally Posted by *charisma* View Post
    I didnt say protein shakes :P i said protein as in a macronutrient. Like you said, its in veggies as well as meats. One still needs to ensure their protein intake is sufficient enough to build muscle or maintain it especially when weightlifting because you are tearing the muscle fibers and protein is what repairs them. Doesnt really matter where the source of protein comes from.
    Protein isn't the one that is repairing it, it is certain acids that are doing it. Protein is broken down to those acids and fed to the body. However the amount we take is not healthy for the body even for building muscle. In the times of ignorance i ate like 70 eggs a week. 10 a day, 9 without the yolk and one with. After certain time my body couldn't handle it anymore.

    I have never had shakes if one really does their research, you see that besides the protein, it also contains additives for taste and color. That FOR sure your body does not need. The problem is we are too impatient. If we have more sabr, the body in a natural way will become like that and is even more healthier. I haven't lifted weights for like 2-3 years. Some occasions i just use the pull up bar. The MOST thing i am amazed by, is the amount of muscle i still have. I mean my diet has changed totally, but still i have that amount of muscle. I eat meat like once a month. The amount of protein intake ..well i fast very often and what i eat is just some bread cheese or eggs..nothing special. The amount of protein in those is NOTHING compared to what i usually was taking.

    That is the wake up call of this whole hype and lies of you must take a lot of protein or else this or else that..just collapsed. I did it all natural and slowly.
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    Brother you will not get muscle loss as how they portray it. It is all lies. What you need to do is just work out very lightly. So for example max 30 min. Do remember this in your own time and make taraweeh and such a higher priority.
    Bro I read this up before if he has a empty stomach he won't gain any muscle at all unless he works out after iftar but maybe the website wasn't a good source
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    If he does cardio which is better for him since weight lifting turns fat into muscle but from everything I've read you need some protein to gain muscle so he won't gain much from weight lifting but cardio really all you need is energy but problem is it burns both muscle and fat but muscle burns at a minimal rate compared to fat why would protein shakes not help the workout? I mean your muscles to use it quite a bit right or somthing like that does it even increase muscle growth
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    Carbs,like oats,rice,bread.... pre-workout for energy
    Protien,red/white meats.....after work out,for building muscle,youve torn muscle fibres with weight training,fibres are made up of protein synthesis

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    Sunnah is to eat 1/3 meat 1/3 water 1/3 air.

    But say you wanna train, are you allowed to stuff yourself up with proteins? usually those who train eat 2000 calories pr. day.

    Because I want to build my body up, but I do not want to sin and eat too much.. but in regards to my training, it is not too much.

    Say, if I do not train at all.. compared to when I train. My diet is different. Obviously the ones who train themselves have a bigger diet.

    you want to maximise the gains.. So what is the ruling?

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Serinity View Post


    Sunnah is to eat 1/3 meat 1/3 water 1/3 air.

    But say you wanna train, are you allowed to stuff yourself up with proteins? usually those who train eat 2000 calories pr. day.

    you want to maximise the gains.. So what is the ruling?

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    I think the daily intake for calories is 2500cals for men & 2000cals for female,..if its bulking muscle mass you are after you are supposed to up the cal intake by 500cals,if cutting then just the usual cal intake but higher protein ratio as carbs store fat,hence,its good for pre-workout as fat is good for energy,you burn protein quicker.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Zeal View Post
    Thanks for the informative posts
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    I'll just give it a try a see how it goes iA
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    Bro it depends on what you are going to the gym for? Are you losing weight or gaining muscle? Are you just trying to stay active? It depends on your end goal/purpose.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person View Post
    Protein isn't the one that is repairing it, it is certain acids that are doing it. Protein is broken down to those acids and fed to the body. However the amount we take is not healthy for the body even for building muscle. In the times of ignorance i ate like 70 eggs a week. 10 a day, 9 without the yolk and one with. After certain time my body couldn't handle it anymore.
    Yes that's true..and dang that's way too many eggs bro. loool what were you trying to do??

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    I have never had shakes if one really does their research, you see that besides the protein, it also contains additives for taste and color. That FOR sure your body does not need. The problem is we are too impatient. If we have more sabr, the body in a natural way will become like that and is even more healthier. I haven't lifted weights for like 2-3 years. Some occasions i just use the pull up bar. The MOST thing i am amazed by, is the amount of muscle i still have. I mean my diet has changed totally, but still i have that amount of muscle. I eat meat like once a month. The amount of protein intake ..well i fast very often and what i eat is just some bread cheese or eggs..nothing special. The amount of protein in those is NOTHING compared to what i usually was taking.
    I believe every BODY is different, but I absolutely agree with moderation. I do not believe that the huge body building lifestyle is at all healthy in the long run. However, we should all strive to make healthier eating choices and be more active. ACTIVITY is what most of people are lacking, it's not the food. We have a SURPLUS of food alhemdulilah. Also it takes time to learn about what the body accepts and adapts to. Some people cannot lose weight no matter how much they try because their diet is not right for them, and some people have problems gaining or maintaining their muscle mass. It really all depends on each person. I can't say that your diet will work on someone else for sure. It's worth a try, absolutely, but at the end of the day it depends on how the body is responding health-wise/internally and the results in the external changes of the body.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by *charisma* View Post
    Bro it depends on what you are going to the gym for? Are you losing weight or gaining muscle? Are you just trying to stay active? It depends on your end goal/purpose.
    Mainly to just maintain muscle and strength
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Bobbyflay23 View Post
    Bro I read this up before if he has a empty stomach he won't gain any muscle at all unless he works out after iftar but maybe the website wasn't a good source
    It doesn't work like that bro. Working out (lifting weights) is creating little ruptures in the muscles tissue, the body can handle the day, until you get the nutrition. Also the body handles the remaining nutrition that it does have and tries what it can do with it. So in other words, one doesn't have to immediately take in the nutrition after working out. We often look at the body as some creation that is very simplistic, which off course is a wrong approach as it isn't that simple at all. When one doesn't eat for days, that is the real wake up call for the body to break down muscle tissue and feed it to the body to survive. However 1 day not eating/drinking isn't happening.

    Logically speaking that would be contradictory to what Allah has said we should do (fasting). If we would lose a lot of muscle (breaking down of muscle tissue) that would mean Allah has given us something that is not healthy at all. While on the contrary there are only benefits upon benefits when fasting.

    That being said, when working out and the body has less energy, it switches over the reserve energy (fat). Muscle it self uses more calories than fat tissue, so in other words it is even better. When one is tired because fasting, this has to do with the source of energy (carbohydrates), as it has been a bit depleted. If possible, go work out and if you are at home..take a nap (1-2 hours) during the day to regain energy, but also to let your muscles rest.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by *charisma* View Post
    Yes that's true..and dang that's way too many eggs bro. loool what were you trying to do??
    I was trying to do the natural way with a lot of patience. Many people want "fake"-muscles. What i wanted is that grandpa-strength. Those fake muscles are just a momentum-energy. They lift power in a surge but they cannot maintain it. When doing this, this creates indeed the ruptures in the muscle tissue. That is when they are all buff and hulk hogan types. All fake-muscle strength.

    The grandpa-power that i want to achieve, takes A LOT of dedication and also A LOT of patience. That is when some skinny grandpa wrestles a huge hulk hogan type to the ground...





    format_quote Originally Posted by *charisma* View Post
    I believe every BODY is different, but I absolutely agree with moderation. I do not believe that the huge body building lifestyle is at all healthy in the long run. However, we should all strive to make healthier eating choices and be more active. ACTIVITY is what most of people are lacking, it's not the food. We have a SURPLUS of food alhemdulilah. Also it takes time to learn about what the body accepts and adapts to. Some people cannot lose weight no matter how much they try because their diet is not right for them, and some people have problems gaining or maintaining their muscle mass. It really all depends on each person. I can't say that your diet will work on someone else for sure. It's worth a try, absolutely, but at the end of the day it depends on how the body is responding health-wise/internally and the results in the external changes of the body.
    There are three body types. I myself have the body type "Mesomorph".

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    Each body type has it's pro's and con's. However, i believe there is only 1 diet that is the BEST diet and should be practiced by all. That is of Rasullah(saws). I have looked in to different diets i have tried even different diets and my conclusion sub'han'Allah is really only that of Rasullah(saws). His diet is not only superior, but gives you everything that you need. From fasting to 1/3 (food), 1/3(water), 1/3 (air)..also moderation etc. Also eating dates and such. For people who wants to get fat the advice of Rasullah(saws) dates with cucumber. The other two body types, if sticking with the diet of Rasullah(saws), you will lose weight yourself. When praying, do it with concentration and also long standing and movements good for the muscles.
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    Re: Lifting weights in ramadan, a good idea?

    i workout after iftar even tho i get very tried after iftar i never skip working out since i recently started
    i suggest u dont stop after sunset,but i wouldnt advice you workout while fasting
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