I am a flat earther and that never convince me at all - infact most of the things he says is based on the assumption that the earth is already a globe !!! which is deceiving the entire purpose of the research.
If you want Scientific proof read a book by Eric Dubay who uses their (Nasa and the globalists) own calculations to prove their own theories wrong.
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I am a flat earther and that never convince me at all - infact most of the things he says is based on the assumption that the earth is already a globe !!! which is deceiving the entire purpose of the research.
If you want Scientific proof read a book by Eric Dubay who uses their (Nasa and the globalists) own calculations to prove their own theories wrong.
Asalamu Alaikum
You can't be serious? You can literally SEE the curvature of the Earth if you look far enough.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Supernova
I am a flat earther and that never convince me at all - infact most of the things he says is based on the assumption that the earth is already a globe !!! which is deceiving the entire purpose of the research.
If you want Scientific proof read a book by Eric Dubay who uses their (Nasa and the globalists) own calculations to prove their own theories wrong.
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I am a flat earther and that never convince me at all - infact most of the things he says is based on the assumption that the earth is already a globe !!! which is deceiving the entire purpose of the research.
If you want Scientific proof read a book by Eric Dubay who uses their (Nasa and the globalists) own calculations to prove their own theories wrong.
Asalamu Alaikum
You can't be serious? You can literally SEE the curvature of the Earth if you look far enough.
The first time I heard about this Flat earthers I also thought what rediculous...this is surely a joke, that there are still people out there who actually believe in a flat earth. my curiousity drew me towards their website and I opened an account there because I could easily prove them that the earth was not flat.
that turned out to be an impossible task....because of several reasons:
The first thing is that the most Flat earthers have their own motive to believe in a flat earth. some of them like the idea to be a part of an small elite group who knows something special, and they want to defend that position true or false.
others just like to argue about anything...so no matter what you say, they just go against it and look for arguments to back his statement up.
some are just trolls who pretend to be like flat earth believers but they are just playing along for the fun of it.
together the keep each other active and form the flat earth society....very hard to debate with these people.
true, they have an alternative explanation for every argument you have....but those different explanations are just loose explanations and they do not fit together as a whole.
this gets ignored.
if they get an answer which they cannot explain differently, the answer will be ignored.
some facts will be denied.
any foto is denied because it can be faked, photoshopped etc.
satellites and space is denied...GPS work with ground stations...satellite TV work with ground stations and stratellites...
gravity is denied...gravity does not exist, insted, earth accelerates up constantly with a speed of 9,81m/s2
foto's of the curvature is useless because of the fact that every lens distords light...you can see it in the first video MIA posted with the gopro
at the beginning the curvature seems to be inverted....every lens has this kind of distortion...more or less.
besides, a lot of things are not that obvious when you logically think about it.
the curvature is not automatically a proof of a round Earth. if you we in the middle of a large enough totally flat area, then if you look around you, the horizon would still appear as round.
the fact that ships disappear over the horizon gets denied....their argument: the ship just appears to shrink in size when it travels away from you until it is so small that you cannot see it anymore...if you would look through a pair of binoculars, you would see it again.
The only thing I never saw a counter argument for is the northern star...because that is the only star with a fixed point in the sky in the northern hemisphere and you can determine your latitude with it. on a flat earth, the measurements and calculations does not make sense...but this includes a degree of math and science, so it is too difficult for the average flat earther...so it gets ignored always.
so I just gave up...it is useless to try to convince them, because they do not want to be convinced.
Re: Why the "flat earth theory" is wrong ?
Please provide evidences that proof the earth is globe? That it's rotating at around 1,000 mph at the equator? Any empirical data to prove it?
Remember Science is something that is demonstrable, repeatable, and observable. Please provide proofs that the earth is globe and we can discuss further.
FYI I am a practicing muslim, and a flat earther since 2011.
Re: Why the "flat earth theory" is wrong ?
OK...just to clarify something about the Earth been flat...THAT IS NOT a lie! Wait..wait..don't go jumping at me...I will tell you why it is not a lie. The Earth we live in now IS NOT FLAT it is globe...the NEW EARTH we will be resurrected from...WILL BE FLAT...NOT even a single pomp on it. The new earth will not have mountains to hide from, nor will there be oceans or trees or rocks..it will be flat and spread far and wide.
So yes...the Earth flat is not a theory but in fact a reality..it just not this Earth..but the new Earth we will be resurrected from.
Think about gravity. How would earths gravity be if it was flat. We ahve satellite pictures. You can measure it by the sun and the angle of the shadows at differente places.
Re: Why the "flat earth theory" is wrong ?
format_quote Originally Posted by saifuh3
Please provide evidences that proof the earth is globe? That it's rotating at around 1,000 mph at the equator? Any empirical data to prove it?
Remember Science is something that is demonstrable, repeatable, and observable. Please provide proofs that the earth is globe and we can discuss further.
FYI I am a practicing muslim, and a flat earther since 2011.
Flat Earth is Imperative to Islamic Faith!
I am afraid that this tactic you are trying to use, does not work here...it only works on the flat earth society forum where you can get away with ignoring and denying evidences.
but the evidence you are seeking is Polaris aka the north pole star.
Polaris is pretty easy to find in the night sky:
-locate the big dipper constellation. It contains 7 stars in the form of a frying pan.
-the two outer stars of the bowl of the big dipper are called the pointer stars (if you count from the steel it is the 6th and 7th star)
-now draw a line through these two stars...now in the direction from 6th to 7th star with 5 times the distance, you will find Polaris.
Polaris is a special star because its position is fixed in the sky throughout the night, week, month and year.
make sure you observe this.
in the globe model, the circumference of the earth is around 40.000 km (360 degrees)
the distance from north pole to south pole (180 degrees) is 20.000km
the distance from north pole to equator (90 degrees) is 10.000km
this means 9 degrees for every 1000km distance.
At the equator, the polar should be touching the horizon (0 degrees)
every 1000 km further north and the Polaris should be 9 degrees higher.
At the north pole, Polaris should be at zenith (90 degrees)
Now that you have located polaris, measure the angle it makes with the horizon.
you can measure this with a sextant (about 100 dollars on amazon) or you can use your fist as appoximation
stretch you arm in front of you and measure how many fists it is between horizon and polaris.
one fist should be around 9 degrees.
The angle you measured should match your latitude perfectly at 50 degrees north, the angle of polaris should also be 50 degrees.
Coincidence you say? not convinced? then travel 1000 km further south and the angle should be 9 degrees less (or 1 fist)
Still not convinced? then travel to equator and observe that polaris is touching the horizon...
Not even that convinced you? then travel further south and you will see that the stars seem to turn around another point in the sky but their movement is in opposite direction.
For flat earth, none of these observations makes sense.
With 2 locations you should easily be able to calculate the distance polaris above the earth...but the 3rd location would not match.
besides, on a flat earth it is impossible for polaris to touch the horizon...it should always be some degrees above the horizon, no matter how far south you travel.
having a second point in the sky as a center for stars rotating around it but in opposite direction is another mystery for flat earth.
About the 1000mph at the equator...as you may have noticed the stars seem to rotate around a point in the sky....one whole turn in 24 hours.
so either the sky rotates...or earth rotates.
we know that movement is relative. you always move with reference to something...so which one is moving does not matter much for our observation.
So if the circumference of the earth is 40000km...then this means 40.000/24 = 1667 kmh = 1000mph
So, these should be enough evidences for you. easy to do experiments...and affordable.
just observe and measure...not convinced? travel 1000km and observe and measure again....perfect opportunity if you are already on vacation somewhere so you do not have to travel specially for this.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Abrahamic_seek
Agreed. I don't know what's up with these people but they don't like facts. Don't waste your time trying to debate them.
What bothers me about these guys is that they have mountains of evidences against them which they simply deny.
they call themselves "free thinkers" and want to do their own observations and make out their own conclusions...but none of them actually goes outside and observe the world.
they just stay behind their desk and believe in some kind of a story instead.
some of these people even call themselves "Muslim"
How can you be a decent Muslim if you believe in a non-verifiable fable and deny the obvious truth?
I once was curious about them and wondered what makes these people still believe in this nowadays...so I have had some discussions with them on their forum for a while.
It turns out that the whole Flat Earth Society is full with arrogant people who desperately try to be part of a small elite group who "knows" something what the rest of the world don't. it makes them feel special.
others members are just there to argue. anything you say, they try to argue against it or to avoid it...it has become a life challenge to them to argue.
third group are trolls. they pretend to be flat earthers but in fact they are there just for fun.
in short, a large group of impostors and other people you would try to avoid on the streets.
The only reason I debate them here is to show them that Islaam does not support this and they should stop immediately and repent.
Since this earth is the special planet where Lord of this universe is worshipped which makes it the most superior to all the planets including sun, moon etc
And everything prostrates before Allah swt facing the Ka'abah and every moment Baitullah is being circumbulated. So I think this sky rotates around this earth/Ka'abah
"Do you not know that to Allah prostrates whoever is in the heavens and whoever is on the earth - the sun, the moon, the stars, the mountains, the trees, the moving creatures and many of the people? But upon many the punishment has been justified. And he whom Allah humiliates - for him there is none that can bestow honour on him. Indeed, Allah does what He wills." ( Qur'an 22: 18)
"Whatever is in the heavens and on the earth exalts Allah and He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise." ( Qur'an 61: 1)
"The seven heavens and the earth and whatever is in them exalt Him. And there is not a thing except that it exalts (Allah) by His praise, but you do not understand their (way of) exalting. Indeed, He is ever Forbearing and Forgiving." ( Qur'an 17: 44)
Since this earth is the special planet where Lord of this universe is worshipped which makes it the most superior to all the planets including sun, moon etc
And everything prostrates before Allah swt facing the Ka'abah and every moment Baitullah is being circumbulated. So I think this sky rotates around this earth/Ka'abah
"Do you not know that to Allah prostrates whoever is in the heavens and whoever is on the earth - the sun, the moon, the stars, the mountains, the trees, the moving creatures and many of the people? But upon many the punishment has been justified. And he whom Allah humiliates - for him there is none that can bestow honour on him. Indeed, Allah does what He wills." ( Qur'an 22: 18)
"Whatever is in the heavens and on the earth exalts Allah and He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise." ( Qur'an 61: 1)
"The seven heavens and the earth and whatever is in them exalt Him. And there is not a thing except that it exalts (Allah) by His praise, but you do not understand their (way of) exalting. Indeed, He is ever Forbearing and Forgiving." ( Qur'an 17: 44)
What I meant with that is that from technical point of view, movement is relative.
If you have a totally empty space with no walls and edges and just one object hanging in there...there is no way you can say this object is moving or even rotating...because there is no absolute reference point to relate to.
So, if you make Baitullah the reference point...which is technically totally OK (technically, you can choose the reference point anywhere you like)...this means that not only the sky or earth, but the total universe are rotating around the Baitullah. it will not disturb the known model at all.
Re: Why the "flat earth theory" is wrong ?
format_quote Originally Posted by hinabutt
Exactly. There are so many pics of round earth that they have taken from space stations. PROOF... It's not even up for debate.. Lol
Beside, what would be the point of deceiving people on the shape of the earth??? I do not believe the money made from selling earth globes is that impressive that it is worth deceiving people like that!!
Re: Why the "flat earth theory" is wrong ?
My Friend your Condemnation without investigation proves your indoctrination.
NASA and modern astronomy claim Earth is a ball that spins 1,000 mph on its axis while suspended in infinite space. They claim the ball earth also revolves 67,000mph around the sun along with several other similar ball planets. Next they say the Earth, Sun and other ball-planets are all spiralling at 500,000 mph around the outer arm of the Milky Way galaxy. And lastly we are told the entire Milky Way galaxy itself is shooting through the known universe at a mind-numbing 670,000,000 mph! So we are supposedly simultaneously spinning, revolving, spiralling and shooting at 1,000+67,000+500,000+670,000,000 mph! That means every year Each traverses an approximate distance of 5.8 Trillion miles through the universe. Keep these unbelievable astronomical statistics in mind while considering the following facts. WHY HAVEN’T THE CONSTELLATIONS CHANGED IN THOUSAND OF YEARS?? Your claim actually proves earth is stationary and the Polaris is fixed and all other stars revolve around it! Thanks for disproving your point and supporting mine.
And at last, with so many motions and movements taking place simultaneously the glass of water kept on a table doesn't even have ripples. And your senses don't feel any movement around you.!
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Abraham please provide the facts that you are talking about. Give me something measurable, perceivable and demonstrable. Not NASA mumbo-jumbo!
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Umit, please provide mountains of evidence. Then I will provide mine.
And you don't have any authority to judge my religion my belief. It's between me and my Lord. So I suggest you stay out of it.
From the mountain of evidences you have, please find out how many official pictures of earth is released in the past 60 years?? From the time we had satellites in sky supposedly revolving around us, how many official pictures are released of earth? Will save your pain, only 2 pictures of earth is released in past 60 years! Not even a single video of earth rotating and revolving. With such high technology available we should have hours of video of earth's rotation and revolution. They can just turn around Hubble and have it take pictures and videos of earth's movement. You will find none my friend!
And please support your claim and give me just one proof from islamic scripture and hadeeth's that support that earth is rotating and revolving around Sun! And that days and nights are caused by earth's movement as informed by modern science.
See? That is typical Flat Earth behaviour...you just asked me to give you an evidence for round earth.
I gave you a solid one...backed up with math and common sense.
You cannot talk your way out of that...so you just ignored it.
You try to distract me by starting another topic...which is one of the other FE-tactics.
So now you want me to give you mountains of evidences?
Why?
So you can cherrypick the easiest ones out of them where you have your alternative FE theory of?
And simply ignore the rest of the mountain?
No my friend...you start with this given piece of evidence...then we can move on to the rest of the mountain.
Hi Umit, Thank you. I am unable to send you a message. Please advise how I can send. Need to discuss. Thanks again!
Ow hello brother. I forgot that you are a limited member. you cannot send messages yet...I am sorry. you have to wait 25 or 50 messages I believe and then you will become a full member.
until then you cannot send messages.
If the Earth really was flat, nighttime wouldnt exist as the the Earth wouldn’t be rotating. Some people might say that the sunlight would only reach in different countries as we orbit, however, the diameter of the sun is 109 times bigger than Earth’s.
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