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    I've practiced qigong for almost 3 years and have had numerous health benefits from it. I was wondering what's the stance on qigong amongst scholars? I've searched but haven't found any.

    The reason it's sketchy is because it's link with 'energy/qi', which some people link with the 'occult/magick.'

    Recent studies are varied and don't really pan out, but personal experience for me has.

    For example I always feelt tingling going through my body, and if I get injured (from martial arts) those areas I feel more 'energy' and it heals faster.

    I'm not sure if qigong is just a placebo and the tingling is a mind made illusion or is it a latent human ability to feel our electric current if we choose to develop said ability?

    This goes deeper because if we can sense our own electric currents, can we sense others? Like when you walk into a room and 'feel the tension?'

    And if we have a good qi can we try and use our qi to heal other people? This was my goal before I found Islam, was to be an alternative spiritual healer, but now I have to question how valid and legal what my old intentions were.

    If it could be scientifically proven that we have qi, is it permissable to practice qi gong? And what about 'healing?' My theory before and after I reverted remains the same, that either way it's God's will thats determines whether a person will be healed, and my 'qi' is the catalyst, accompanied by massage, natural remedies, and prayer.

    One of the reasons I like natural medicine is because I grew up in America and the pharmacies prescribe 'drugs' that block the pain instead of go to the root to cure it, as well as the insurance policies. I knew of a kid who got shot and was denied treatment because of insurance papers, and crawled and limped to the next hospital because the first refused an ambulence, and died near the second hospital.

    Sorry for the long post,

    And what about yoga? I used to study/research all alternative and new age things, I think most of them are placebo's or the use of jinns. But yoga is kind of like a physical sceince, although if you believe in the yogic belief system it would be shirk or polytheism. But if you practice knowing it's good for your phsyical and electric body than I don't see whats wrong with that.

    Oh sorry one more question, in new age material people say we have 'multiple bodies,' like an emotional body, energy body, soul body, etc... different beliefs have different names and so on.

    What would be scholars opinions about these things? Ok this is going off topic now... :X Thanks in advance, I want to clear all these questions up once and for all. islamqa.com never replied I might have sounded like some new age wiccan to them or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khattab View Post
    From IslamToday:


    Dear questioner:



    Al-Sal�m `Alaykum wa Rahmah Allah wa Barak�tuh.



    As for the scientific claims concerning bodily energy and its role in healing, these are claims that must be reviewed scientifically.



    However, even if there is a legitimate scientific basis for those claims, the practice of qi gong as it stands is clearly not unadulterated science. It is definitely mixed up with occult and quasi-religious elements. Some forms of qi gong are clearly akin to religion. Therefore, we recommend that Muslims be extremely wary regarding this and other similar practices.



    Also, the idea of external qi is something that should be approached with the utmost caution.



    If there are medical professionals and knowledgeable Muslims in a position to objectively determine the real medical and scientific merits to be found in qi qong and other traditional practices, this would be laudable research. However, a Muslim cannot simply enter into a discipline like qi qong and simply accept it as it presently stands.



    And Allah knows best.



    Fatw� Department Research Committee of IslamToday chaired by Sheikh `Abd al-Wahh�b al-Turayr�

    I want to do some research but I'm no scientist. In a few books there was some research done but at the James Randy foundation, they refuted scientific claims of qi, as well as anything else supernatural.

    So does that mean every person that feels qi naturally as a child, and can see things, as well as astral project, is possessed by Jinn? There are young children that do these things from child hood naturally, which makes no sense...

    I agree that Qi Gong has gotten mixed into occult teachings, but the keyword is gotten, originally it was founded in China nearly 5000 years ago and primarily came from a source in China.

    Now it could by synonymous to magick in the West, where Jinn taught mankind mystical things to test them, because Magick does have an effect on reality and could heal people using Jinn, but it's shirk or unlawful.

    Philosophically using Jinn to heal people as long as you know it's Allah that wills it wouldn't be shirk, but it's still unlawful becasue magick is unlawful. By that reasoning qi gong would be unlawful as well.

    I wouldn't care if I hadn't been practicing already for many years and if I didn't feel the energy myself. If it is Jinn than by all means I need to get to an exorcist somehow... There's a province in China that was dominated by the Ottoman empire thus many of the people are Muslim so there are bound to be some devout and pious Muslims there. Maybe there's an exorcist as well.

    It's just weird becasue there were pious Muslims that did Qigong in China. And all the qigong masters I know are 'pious' just not Muslim.... which is a stark contrast from the occult figures in history such as Aleister Crowley and some others.

    Thanks for all the comments, I'm going to conisder some scientific research now


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    Does anyone have any new info on this?

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    I have 5 years experience on this and i can tell you to stay away from it


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    I've practiced qigong for almost 3 years and have had numerous health benefits from it. I was wondering what's the stance on qigong amongst scholars? I've searched but haven't found any.

    The reason it's sketchy is because it's link with 'energy/qi', which some people link with the 'occult/magick.'

    Recent studies are varied and don't really pan out, but personal experience for me has.

    For example I always feelt tingling going through my body, and if I get injured (from martial arts) those areas I feel more 'energy' and it heals faster.

    I'm not sure if qigong is just a placebo and the tingling is a mind made illusion or is it a latent human ability to feel our electric current if we choose to develop said ability?

    This goes deeper because if we can sense our own electric currents, can we sense others? Like when you walk into a room and 'feel the tension?'

    And if we have a good qi can we try and use our qi to heal other people? This was my goal before I found Islam, was to be an alternative spiritual healer, but now I have to question how valid and legal what my old intentions were.

    If it could be scientifically proven that we have qi, is it permissable to practice qi gong? And what about 'healing?' My theory before and after I reverted remains the same, that either way it's God's will thats determines whether a person will be healed, and my 'qi' is the catalyst, accompanied by massage, natural remedies, and prayer.

    One of the reasons I like natural medicine is because I grew up in America and the pharmacies prescribe 'drugs' that block the pain instead of go to the root to cure it, as well as the insurance policies. I knew of a kid who got shot and was denied treatment because of insurance papers, and crawled and limped to the next hospital because the first refused an ambulence, and died near the second hospital.

    Sorry for the long post,

    And what about yoga? I used to study/research all alternative and new age things, I think most of them are placebo's or the use of jinns. But yoga is kind of like a physical sceince, although if you believe in the yogic belief system it would be shirk or polytheism. But if you practice knowing it's good for your phsyical and electric body than I don't see whats wrong with that.

    Oh sorry one more question, in new age material people say we have 'multiple bodies,' like an emotional body, energy body, soul body, etc... different beliefs have different names and so on.

    What would be scholars opinions about these things? Ok this is going off topic now... :X Thanks in advance, I want to clear all these questions up once and for all. islamqa.com never replied I might have sounded like some new age wiccan to them or something.

    Oh and I have 123 posts
    I don't see any harm in it, if you see it in as a placeboo, and alternative medicine.

    Aslong as you don't ascribe mumbo jumbo, incantation, e.t.c I think it is alright.

    Interesting, I can't remember the exact quote of my lecturer, but during my "immune and disease class" he mentioned that their is somekind of link between the mind, and human health, be it mental, physical, recovering from disease or ailment. Obviousely they can't pinpoint or define clearly the process the mind effects the above mentioned, because main stream science is based solely on the biochemistry of the human body, (excluding mind).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mahdisoldier19 View Post
    A cult that was banned by China.

    What they would do is suck kids in to learn OH WE ARE GOING TO TEACH YOU SOFT QI GONG FOR LONGETIVETY AND LIFE! Please donate we love you your a kind person practice qi gong. Then one day when your 18 they brainwash your mind and im not joking they literally slip things inside your food to make you abide by them. Then when your parents notice anything Wrong? What can they do? remember your over 18 you decide on your own your actions. Very dangerous people that is why they are banned from china and guess whos supporting them? GEORGE BUSH!

    So i advise those who are seeking any knowledge on Qi gong or occult to contact me before PRACTICING ANYTHING

    Can I add that they are a group whose pleasure is in accusing ordinary folk of not wanting to know about the horrors of the Chinese Government's torture of their practise. They have loads and loads of pictures regularly on the street around the town hall here; and that are really disgusting but if you look a little they insist that you are needing to look more and more and deeper until you find out why.

    It is a very interesting phenomena. But a little on the greedy side of whomever gets at all curious.

    A little too far into the future they've been having a look for their interest to manifest; is what the kafir among those who practise have already, somehow, been informed. The whole matter is really distasteful.
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    AssalamuAlaikum
    My dear brothers iam Khaja khan from hyderabad India i want to learn QiGong is any one can help me .
    JazakAllah khair...

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    Are you still here I know I'm very late haha

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