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    Salaam,

    I was watching the video of Zakir Naik on how to talk with an atheist:
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=vyboXCIVJY0

    In the video, Naik explained the shape of the Earth. He explained that the Quran referred the shape of the Earth as similar to an ostrich's egg, meaning the shape was a geoid.

    Can anybody please verify this by citing to where in the Quran this information is given? Please tell me the surah and the ayat where it compares the shape to an ostrich's egg.

    Thanks.

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    Re: Ostrich egg??

    Ostrich egg??


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    Re: Ostrich egg??

    Wow, thanks brother!

    I read the Quran transltion, but there was no mention of an ostrich's egg. The miracles of the Quran is amazing!

    Salaam.

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    Re: Ostrich egg??

    Allah Almighty says, the earth is "egg-shaped"
    http://www.answering-christianity.co...h_in_islam.htm


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    The sections of this article are:

    Allah Almighty said that the earth is "egg-shaped".
    The earth had gone through different stages and shapes since it was first created.
    The roundness of the earth in the Noble Quran. The Arabic word "dahaha".
    The proof that "dahaha" means "egg-shaped". My detailed rebuttal to the Christian "Answering Islam" article.
    An excellent scientific explanation from brother Rached.
    The changes to earth on the Day of Judgement.
    Conclusion.

    Allah Almighty in the Noble Quran talked in good details about the earth's past, present and future. He explained how it was created, the stages it went through, and what will happen to it when the Day of Judgement comes. The earth had gone through different stages and shapes since it was first created:


    It is important to know that Allah Almighty in the Noble Quran claimed that the earth had gone through different stages and shapes:

    The earth was originally water, and life was originated from water:


    "He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days - and His Throne was over the waters - that He might try you, which of you is best in conduct. But if thou wert to say to them, "Ye shall indeed be raised up after death", the Unbelievers would be sure to say, "This is nothing but obvious sorcery!" (The Noble Quran, 11:7)"

    "Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? " (The Noble Quran, 21:30)

    "It is He Who has created man from water: then has He established relationships of lineage and marriage: for thy Lord has power (over all things)." (The Noble Quran, 25:54)

    "And God has created every animal from water: of them there are some that creep on their bellies; some that walk on two legs; and some that walk on four. God creates what He wills for verily God has power over all things." (The Noble Quran, 24:45)
    For more details and scientific quotes that prove the Noble Quran's Truthfulness, please visit Life originated from water.

    Allah Almighty separated earth from the universe:

    "Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?" (The Noble Quran, 21:30)



    Please visit http://www.expanding-earth.org/. This site explains a new theory about the formation of earth and it proves the "Earth's expansion" and the formation of Oceans and Seas. This site was forwarded to me by brother Silent Wisdom; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.


    The roundness of the earth in the Noble Quran:
    Let us look at the following Noble Verse:

    "30. And the earth, moreover, hath He extended (to a wide expanse); 31. He draweth out Therefrom its moisture And its pasture; 32. And the mountains Hath He firmly fixed -- 33. For use and convenience To you and your cattle. (The Noble Quran, 79:30-33)"
    I numbered the Noble Verses to make it easier for us to follow through the original Arabic text as follows:

    "30. Wal-arda bada dhalika dahaha"
    "31. Akhraja minha ma-aha wa maraaha"
    "32. Wal-jibala arsaha"
    "33. Mata-an lakum wa li an-aamikum"

    There is a mistranslation:
    In Noble Verse 79:30, the Arabic word "dahaha" doesn't mean extended (to a wide expanse). The word literally mean formed in "round shape" or "egg shape" as clearly proven below in this article. Also, In Noble Verse 79:31, "ma-aha" was translated as "moisture" as shown above. "ma-aha" in Arabic literally means "its water". The more accurate translation is:

    "He draweth out Therefrom its water And its pasture".

    The reason why I pointed out the mistranslation about "ma-aha" is because (1) It is wrong; and (2) It is important to know that earth was originally water as shown in Noble Verse 11:7 above, and when Allah Almighty tells us that He draweth out water from earth, then this further proves that the earth had gone through different shapings and forms.


    It appears from Noble Verses 79:30-33 above that Allah Almighty created land and life on earth at the time when He caused for the earth to become round; when Allah Almighty "daha" the earth or "dahaha", which means "daha" it.


    The Arabic word "dahaha":
    As we clearly saw above in the article, Allah Almighty caused for the earth to completely change in shape, form and characteristics several times until it became what we know of it today. In fact, even when land was created on earth, it is believed by scientists (as I saw on TV) that during the time of the dinosaurs, our continents today were all joined together as one big piece of land or island surrounded by water from all directions. If you look at the map of the earth today, you would see that they perfectly match each others. The shape of the continents actually looks like they were all one piece of land that got divided up.


    Very Important Note:
    My point from all of this is that it is quite possible that when Allah Almighty initially created land from the earth's water, the earth was flat, and the dinosaurs probably existed back then. When Allah Almighty "daha" the earth and made it "round-shaped" or "egg-shaped", it is possible that the splitting of the continents as we have them today was done due to the rounding of the earth.


    If you take any flat surface and bend it backwards to form a ball out of it, then you will easily notice that its surface will get stretched and anything written or painted on that surface will look stretched. It is quite possible that the same happened to the earth and its contents when Allah Almighty "dahaha", or "daha" it.


    The proof that "dahaha" means "egg-shaped":
    The quotes and main points in this section were taken from http://********************/Quran/Sc...arth_flat.html. This section as well as the entire my entire article are a rebuttal to the link.


    They wrote:

    The Earth: Flat or Round?
    What does the Qur'an Say?



    Do they not look at the camels how they are made.
    And the sky how it is raised high.
    And the mountains how they are fixed firm.
    And the earth how it is spread out? (Wa ilal'ardi kayfa sutihat.)
    -- Sura 88:17-20

    Interpretation given in Al-Jalalein:
    At the earth how it is spread out(*) (Arabic: sutihat): meaning it was stretched, so they can see in it a sign for the power of Allah ... and his saying sutihat makes it obvious that the earth is flat, and this is certified by Ulama' ash-shar'a (the shari'a theologians), not a globe as it is said by ahlul-hay'a (the laymen)." (Tafseer Al-Jalalein. printed in Damascus 1964. Al-Mallah Printshop and Bookstore)
    (*) The word "sutihat" is from the root word "sataha".


    Note: The commentators are well informed about the scientific conclusion that the earth is a globe, but the scientists are considered to be laymen in regard to understanding the meaning of the Qur'an. Because revelation has primacy over science, the Qur'an is the decisive basis for the commentators to insist that the earth is flat.


    My response:
    It is true that the word "sutihat" is from the root word "sataha" which usually means "to flatten". As I proved above in the article, the earth had gone through shapings and formations. It is quite possible that Allah Almighty in Noble Verses 88:17-20 was referring to the initial creation of the land where the earth was *possibly* flat.


    It is also possible that Allah Almighty is telling us that the earth is both flattened and round at the same time. This is not a contradiction. To the normal human being, especially 1400 years ago, the earth was clearly flattened. It wasn't too round with steep slopes. No, it was and still is a flat livable surface for all creatures. As I showed above in the article, Allah Almighty created land, mountains, roads, rivers, vegetations and animals all to exist on earth.


    So when Allah Almighty said that the earth "sutihat" in Noble Verses 88:17-20, it doesn't really prove that the earth is not round, because these Noble Verses are not the only ones talking about and describing the earth in the Noble Quran.


    As the Tafseer Al-Jalalein says above:
    "At the earth how it is spread out(*) (Arabic: sutihat): meaning it was stretched..." The stretching and the expanding of the earth to make it livable is what Allah Almighty referred to when He said the earth "sutihat".


    Let us look at an example of Allah Almighty claiming that He expanded the earth in the Noble Quran:

    "And it is He who spread out the earth, and set thereon mountains standing firm and (flowing) rivers: and fruit of every kind He made in pairs, two and two: He draweth the night as a veil o'er the Day. Behold, verily in these things there are signs for those who consider! (The Noble Quran, 13:3)"
    "spread out the earth" here in Arabic is "madda al-ard", which literally means "expand the earth" or "spread out the earth".
    "He Who has, made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky." With it have We produced diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others. (The Noble Quran, 20:53)"

    "made for you the earth like a carpet spread out" here in Arabic is "Ja-ala lakum Al-ard mahda". "mahda" literally means a flat road, or a road that is easy to walk on. It is similar to our highways today. They are easy to drive on.

    "And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance. (The Noble Quran, 15:19)"
    "And the earth We have spread out" here in Arabic is "Wa Al-ard maddadnaha". "maddadnaha" literally means "We expanded" or "We spread out". It is derived from the root word "madda", which means "to stretch" or to "to expand" or "to spread out".

    Again, please visit http://www.expanding-earth.org/. This site explains a new theory about the formation of earth and it proves the "Earth's expansion" and the formation of Oceans and Seas.


    They wrote:
    Furthermore, the Qur'an says:
    And after that He spread the earth.
    (Wal'arda ba'da dhalika da-ha-ha.)
    -- Sura 79:30


    Again, let us consult Tafsir Al-Jalalein:
    That is: "Basataha" as it was created before heaven without "Dahoo". We see that Al-Jalalein us emphasizing the issue of "flattening". The interpreters are saying: "That is, He flattened it since it was not made flat before heaven was created."


    Reading the context of this aya, Sura 79:27-33, the message of the Qur'an seems to be: Originally the earth was not flat (but somehow crumbled up?). After first creating the heaven over it (see 79:28-29), Allah flattened the earth (to make it inhabitable: ("A provision for you and for your cattle" 79:33).


    My response:
    Notice how the interpretation of the Noble Quran, Tafsir Al-Jalalein, says: "That is: 'Basataha' as it was created before heaven without 'Dahoo'. " It is suggesting that Allah Almighty "basata" the earth (flattened it) before He "dahaha".


    Very Important Note: Notice in Noble Verse 79:30, Allah Almighty says in Arabic "bada dhalika", which literally means "after wards" or "after that" or "after the event finished", etc... This clearly and unquestionably means that Allah Almighty "daha" the earth last. The "Dahoo" of the earth came "bada dhalika" (after wards); after the earth "sutihat".


    Again, please read the "The earth had gone through different stages and shapes since it was first created" section above to see the clear proofs from the Noble Quran that the earth had gone through several stages and formations.


    They wrote:

    COMMENT:
    Udhi'ya or Udhu'wa, are two names for the egg of the ostrich. The verb Da'ha (Ydahoo: present tense) is not derived from Udhi'ya or Udhu'wa, because names are derived from the "verb of origin" (fi'l al masdar), and the verb of origin is not derived from a name. The verb of origin is "dahawa" from which the verb "da'ha" and "yadhoo" are derived, and so is the name of the noun denoting the egg. The verb "da'aha" does not mean "kaw'wara" (made round) or made something in the shape of an egg, whether it is an ostrich egg or a chicken's egg. As a matter of fact, the verb "da'ha" means the complete opposite to the concept of the roundness. Here is what "Al-munjid fil'lugha wal'alam" has to say:


    "da'ha da'hwan ... God `da'ha' earth that is `basataha'."


    And that is exactly what Al-Jalalein has said.


    "da'ha idhiwa'an: `inbisatan'." (that is: flattening)
    "al-udh'y, al-idhi'y, al-udhu'wa, al-udhi'ya: The egg of the ostrich in the sand."


    We must pay attention to what Al-Munjid is saying here: "The egg of the ostrich `in the sand'" and the following is the reason for this expression:


    When the female ostrich fears a danger threatening her egg, she immediately digs into the sand to hide the egg, then "tadhoo" (flattens) the earth above it, so that it would not be seen by the vultures of the air who are always in search of such a delicacy for their next meal. Therefore, the word "al-udhu'wa" is used as a name of the ostrich egg since it is something (with the sand) flattened (over it). That is where the name came from. The Arabic dictionary never states that the verb "da'ha" means "made round" or "made in the shape of the egg of an ostrich".


    My response:
    The Christian "Answering Islam" team are now contradicting themselves and are beginning to show their signs of weakness and desperation. Notice how at first they agree with the Tafsir Al-Jalalein interpretation by saying:


    "Udhi'ya or Udhu'wa, are two names for the egg of the ostrich."


    Udhiya and Udhuwa are not root words. Udhiya is simply a singular of Dahyyaat. Udhuwa is the same word as Udhiya. Also, Deheya or Deheyya also means Udhiya. In the Arabic grammar, depending on the position of the word in the sentence, we sometimes substitute the pronunciation of the "y" with a "w". Udhiya and Udhuwa are not two different words. They are the same word. The Arabic word "dahaha" is derived from the root word "dahya" which literally means "egg". Udhuwa is the reference to "dahya". In Arabic, words that are referenced are sometimes written differently. Udhuwa and "dahya" are written differently, but they mean the same word.


    A good example for this is "udhooka" and "duhka". "duhka" means "a laugh". If I say to someone "let me give you a laugh", I tell him "daani uteeka udhooka". "udhooka" is the reference word for "duhka".


    Notice that I didn't write "daani uteeka duhka". No, I wrote "daani uteeka udhooka". Udhooka is the reference word for "duhka". It is grammatically WRONG to not use "udhooka" in the proper Arabic grammar.


    The same grammar principle applies to "dahya" and "Udhiya" or "Udhuwa" or "Deheya" or "Deheyya" reference words that they gave.


    As to "yadhoo" and not "Ydahoo" (as they mistakenly wrote it), it is completely irrelevant, because "yadhoo" is an action and not a definition. It is the present tense of "dah", which is derived from the root word "dahya".


    Important Note: Notice how the word "egg" or "egg of the ostrich" in Arabic is close enough to the Noble Quran's "dahaha". The Christian "Answering Islam" team are simply trying to divert the subject and deceive the reader in a desperate attempt to convince him that "dahya (egg)" is not related to the Noble Quran's "dahaha".


    They shot themselves in the foot:
    They said: "We must pay attention to what Al-Munjid is saying here: "The egg of the ostrich `in the sand'" and the following is the reason for this expression:


    When the female ostrich fears a danger threatening her egg, she immediately digs into the sand to hide the egg, then "tadhoo" (flattens) the earth above it, so that it would not be seen by the vultures of the air who are always in search of such a delicacy for their next meal. Therefore, the word "al-udhu'wa" is used as a name of the ostrich egg since it is something (with the sand) flattened (over it)."


    I am glad that they linked the ostrich's egg with the hiding of the egg under flat sand. This clearly proves that Allah Almighty has indeed used THE BEST ARABIC WORD to describe the whole situation of the earth:

    The earth is round like the ostrich's egg.
    The earth is flat like the flat sand covering the egg from predators. Isn't the earth flat for us and round astronomically both at the same time?

    Even though they purposely avoided the Arabic word "dahya" which means a single "egg" and instead went with awkward reference words like "al-udhu'wa" (as they wrote it) in a desperate attempt to prove that the Noble Quran's "dahaha" has nothing to do with an egg (dahya) and "al-udhu'wa".


    Again, please visit http://www.expanding-earth.org/. This site explains a new theory about the formation of earth and it proves the "Earth's expansion" and the formation of Oceans and Seas.


    Muslim Scientists during the 14 century (800 years after Islam) concluded that the earth is round and moving in space:


    My response:
    It is important for you know that Allah Almighty in the Noble Quran didn't just speak to the Bedouin Arabs 1400 years ago in His Holy Revelation. He spoke to all of Mankind for all times and all places. Let me give you few examples:

    Scientists proved that the universe is expanding. Allah Almighty too said in the Noble Quran that He is expanding the Universe.
    Allah Almighty spoke to the Computer Age today with His number 19 Miracle in the Noble Quran.
    Allah Almighty spoke about how mountains prevent the earth from shaking. Science proved today that mountains do prevent the earth from shaking while rotating around itself.

    For more topics and details, please visit Science in Islam and the Noble Quran.


    It appears from the above Noble Verses that at the Day of Judgement, Allah Almighty will shake the entire earth, flatten it by crushing and flattening its mountains, open it to swallow up all of the creatures on it, and everything on earth will be in violent commotion.


    source: http://www.bhatkallys.com/article/article.asp?aid=457
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    Re: Ostrich egg??

    Salaam,

    You learn something new each day! MashAllah.....w00t w00t!

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    Re: Ostrich egg??

    yeah, its really interesting especially arabic words and roots..
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    Re: Ostrich egg??

    Quote Originally Posted by QuranStudy View Post
    Salaam,

    I was watching the video of Zakir Naik on how to talk with an atheist:
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=vyboXCIVJY0

    In the video, Naik explained the shape of the Earth. He explained that the Quran referred the shape of the Earth as similar to an ostrich's egg, meaning the shape was a geoid.

    Can anybody please verify this by citing to where in the Quran this information is given? Please tell me the surah and the ayat where it compares the shape to an ostrich's egg.

    Thanks.
    Dahaha doesnt mean ostrich egg at all. It means destroyed or erased. Or some has has translated, spread flattened.

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    Re: Ostrich egg??

    Quote Originally Posted by Mautand0 View Post
    Dahaha doesnt mean ostrich egg at all. It means destroyed or erased. Or some has has translated, spread flattened.
    Do you know Arabic? You probably have no clue about Arabic but yet you think you figured this out. Most likely you found this stuff from an anti Islam website.
    There is no point for me to repeat what OP has already said. However, I can give you a link to more detailed discussion on this subject. Please see link below for detailed explanation, I hope you will read this with an open mind.
    https://adefendingislam.wordpress.co...%d8%a7-dahaha/

    If you are interested in Islam then keep an open mind and ask any questions you may have on this forum or any other Muslim platform. You can also go to a local mosque, meet with Muslims and ask any question you may have to local Muslims. On internet there is all sort of conflicting information and it is best not to learn Islam from Islamophobes.
    I wish you all the best and looking forward to any questions you may have about Islam.
    Last edited by HabibUrrehman; 01-18-2020 at 07:42 PM.

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    Re: Ostrich egg??

    im suprised that those who believes in Quran believes that the earth is 'egg-shaped'? clarity please (no offense) thank you

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    Re: Ostrich egg??

    Quote Originally Posted by FinalNyc View Post
    im suprised that those who believes in Quran believes that the earth is 'egg-shaped'? clarity please (no offense) thank you
    Have you read through the thread yet? Lots of info and resources already posted.

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    Re: Ostrich egg??

    Good read. Thank you for sharing the possible meaning.


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