I hate to meddle in the discussion but I would love to hear your logical explanation of why homosexuality is wrong.
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It isn't in conformity with the 'norm' what is decreed by religion or 'Nature' if we were strict naturalists.
in fact up to the 1970's this was classified in the DSM-II as an act of deviance. And it really is no different than other deviant and 'abnormal' sexual acts. I won't get into the trail of other problems that concern homosexuals exclusively (for instance their highest rate of anal cancer) or kaposi's sarcoma etc. but strictly from a religious/ or naturalistic point of view, it is actually worthless to be homosexual. If we are to ignore religion and think of what good homosexuality brings, it brings nothing.. futile cycles aren't inspired by 'nature' but by a sick psychology, and that is in fact what it is-- a psychological rather than a biological aberrancy!
I can't believe we are even discussing this like it is normal status quo!
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What christianity says about homosexuality? Is it ok or is it sin?
It says same what judaism and islam says on this topic, but christians lately tend not to care what Creator opinion is. They think that their opinion is better. Or Hollywood' opinion.
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May Allah have mercy on you Ferown. I don't understand why you are arguing if homosexuality is right or wrong when you are a Muslim and you know how Allah destroyed a whole town over this act. I think that is proof enough that it is wrong.
"And hold fast unto Allah, He is your protector, the best to protect and the best to help"
May Allah have mercy on you Ferown. I don't understand why you are arguing if homosexuality is right or wrong when you are a Muslim and you know how Allah destroyed a whole town over this act. I think that is proof enough that it is wrong.
Hi Donia.
To be fair to Ferown I am sure he thinks Islam condemns homosexuality. We are just having a friendly (i hope) discussion about whether homosexuality can be morally condemned without referring to religion. This thread started when someone said that it is possible using logic and reason to develop reasons as to why homosexuality is wrong. So far this claim has not been backed up. Maybe you'd like to offer some reasons ! I figure the strongest position that a Muslim can maintain is to say homosexual acts are bad because God said so and He knows best. The contention I guess is when Muslims feel they have to put a reason to everything even though they can't for some things.
In my very humble opinion.. I believe homosexuality is wrong because it goes against every natural behavior.
For instance, men and women exist on earth. In order for our species to survive, men and women need to reproduce and that can only be done with a man and woman.
If everybody decided to be homosexual, the species would go extinct. However if all homosexuals decided to be heterosexual.. that would not affect the species reproducing. It wouldn't affect the species in a negative way at all.
That is my very humble opinion and it makes perfect sense to me.
"And hold fast unto Allah, He is your protector, the best to protect and the best to help"
homosexuality is wrong for the same reasons bestiality, necrophilia, Coprophilia, pedophilia, passing your wife around, sleeping with your neighbor's wife in his absence, having an incestuous relationship with your sister etc. etc. are wrong!
If you can't wrap your mind around that, then no one on board can help you.
Just stop popping in here with the same query. When you find yourself outside the folds of morality the problem then lies with you not the consensus.
Else the lot of you wouldn't be pushing so hard and from a young age to indoctrinate children that such acts of perversity are normal status quo..
Amazing how regular sex ed. isn't taught until at least the fifth grade, yet the homo penguin are made to target four and five year olds...
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In my very humble opinion.. I believe homosexuality is wrong because it goes against every natural behavior.
For instance, men and women exist on earth. In order for our species to survive, men and women need to reproduce and that can only be done with a man and woman.
If everybody decided to be homosexual, the species would go extinct. However if all homosexuals decided to be heterosexual.. that would not affect the species reproducing. It wouldn't affect the species in a negative way at all.
That is my very humble opinion and it makes perfect sense to me.
Well simply put, just because something is outside of nature's norm does not mean it's wrong. That would be the counterargument to your position.
Moreover, not everyone is going to become homosexual.
Skye:
homosexuality is wrong for the same reasons bestiality, necrophilia, Coprophilia, pedophilia, passing your wife around, sleeping with your neighbor's wife in his absence, having an incestuous relationship with your sister etc. etc. are wrong!
Let's see. bestaility traditionally is viewed as 'wrong' because you cannot get the consent of an animal and is thus viewed as animal abuse. So, no not the same reason.
necrophilia is wrong because you are violating a dead body and that person probably would not have wanted his dead body to be violated so the reason is lack of respect for the dead. So, no not the same reason.
Coprophilia (I had to look this one up) is wrong according who? I mean if someone wants to do things in a pile of feces...disgusting as it may be...why would you say its wrong? Because its not the most hygienic thing to do is the only reason I can think of. But anyway, not remotely the same reason.
Sleeping with your neighbours wife is wrong because you are deceiving your neighbour and youre participating in his wife's deception also. So no not the same reason.
incest, well there's a serious health issue involved with incest! btw, some people would say marriage with cousins is incest so where do you draw the line?
pedophilia is wrong for the obvious reason that a child cannot give an informed consent to sex or any sort of relationship like that. So no the reason is totally different. This is an interesting one though. Muhammad married aisha at the age of 6 and consummated the marriage at 9 as far as i can remember. Are you of minority opinion that she was much older than that? i ask this because if you are saying pedophilia is wrong yet muhammad seems to fit the definition of pedophile. I personally think there was nothing wrong in his marriage of aisha because pedophilia is a new cultural taboo because the harms are many in this day and age whereas in the time of muhammad it was a norm.
In any case Skye, you're not doing a good job arguing your case. Again, there is nothing wrong with simply saying homosexual behavior is wrong because my religion says so. Just don't drag logic where it does not apply.
Let's see. bestaility traditionally is viewed as 'wrong' because you cannot get the consent of an animal and is thus viewed as animal abuse. So, no not the same reason.
necrophilia is wrong because you are violating a dead body and that person probably would not have wanted his dead body to be violated so the reason is lack of respect for the dead. So, no not the same reason.
Coprophilia (I had to look this one up) is wrong according who? I mean if someone wants to do things in a pile of feces...disgusting as it may be...why would you say its wrong? Because its not the most hygienic thing to do is the only reason I can think of. But anyway, not remotely the same reason.
Sleeping with your neighbours wife is wrong because you are deceiving your neighbour and youre participating in his wife's deception also. So no not the same reason.
incest, well there's a serious health issue involved with incest! btw, some people would say marriage with cousins is incest so where do you draw the line?
pedophilia is wrong for the obvious reason that a child cannot give an informed consent to sex or any sort of relationship like that. So no the reason is totally different. This is an interesting one though. Muhammad married aisha at the age of 6 and consummated the marriage at 9 as far as i can remember. Are you of minority opinion that she was much older than that? i ask this because if you are saying pedophilia is wrong yet muhammad seems to fit the definition of pedophile. I personally think there was nothing wrong in his marriage of aisha because pedophilia is a new cultural taboo because the harms are many in this day and age whereas in the time of muhammad it was a norm.
In any case Skye, you're not doing a good job arguing your case. Again, there is nothing wrong with simply saying homosexual behavior is wrong because my religion says so. Just don't drag logic where it does not apply.
I covered the issue of consent quite thoroughly above, and have no cause to repeat myself to every pedant with an opinion.
pedophilia is wrong at any time. in islam you have to be both physiologically and psychologically mature for 'marriage'. Pedophiles have no interest in marriage rather satisfy animal desires. Children by definition have no secondary sexual maturity amongst others things.
Get read before wasting my time!
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I covered the issue of consent quite thoroughly above, and have no cause to repeat myself to every pedant with an opinion.
pedophilia is wrong at any time. in islam you have to be both physiologically and psychologically mature for 'marriage'. Pedophiles have no interest in marriage rather satisfy animal desires. Children by definition have no secondary sexual maturity amongst others things.
Get read before wasting my time!
All the best
Half the things I talked about didn't even mention consent. The point was that the reasons the things that were listed are 'wrong' have no relation to homosexuality.
Why do you keep arguing when you've already lost? You are not making a single point. Since the beginning of this thread you've been going in circle. Face it, YOU CANNOT give any reasons why something is immoral. It's impossible so society does what it can to create a system of morality so that it can continue and ensure the happiness of as mayn people as possible.
Half the things I talked about didn't even mention consent. The point was that the reasons the things that were listed are 'wrong' have no relation to homosexuality.
except I have already covered everything in my previous posts and don't like repeating myself, because you have nothing better to do at midnight.
everything you ignored or gave us a hearty guffaw of a rationalization is already addressed, again, you choosing to subscribe to moral degeneracy isn't something that the members here will be made to suffer.. there is no point hammering in a topic that is clearly beyond your scope. I don't make a habit or arguing with fools.
as for winning and losing, I must ask, how old are you-- 7?
There is truly a wisdom in the adage: Never argue with a fool, they will lower you to their level and then beat you with experience.
if we are done here, I think the topic has reached the end of its value and hope it will be closed by a mod. considering the number of times this topic has been addressed!
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