It is said in the Quran that Allah created life. If Allah were to have created life, there would have been no life till He created it. If there was no life till He created it, Allah would have been dead till He created life. This is a logical absurdity. Can my brethren in Islam therefore please explain why it is said in the Quran that Allah created life?
Creation means bringing forth something that does not exist. If Allah created life, then upto the point of his creation of life, there was no life. If there was no life, then how could Allah have had life? If Allah did not have life it meant He did not exist. How could a non-existent Allah create anything?
Well Allaah has no beginning or end, so you can't branch him under the same things as you've branched life and creations. He is the creator who brought forth the Universe and his beings to dwell in only to worship him.
Well Allaah has no beginning or end, so you can't branch him under the same things as you've branched life and the creations. He is the creator who brought forth the Universe and his beings to dwell in only to worship him.
To be in a state of 'no beginning or end', that being must be alive. How could He who is alive always claim to have created life?
You're stating that it doesn't make sense for a creator to have lived before there was anything living, but if Allaah has no beginning or end then that means he's eternal. He is ever-Living, has always lived, and will continue to live.
Allah is immortal. He is neither born and nor does He die. - Akal Purakh.
He is indescribable, inestimable, indubitable, infallible, intangible, imperishable, immutable, immortal, immaculate, immanent, unconquerable, unique, formless, fearless, deathless, timeless, ageless, compassionate, omnipresent and creator of all.
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Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
It is said in the Quran that Allah created life. If Allah were to have created life, there would have been no life till He created it. If there was no life till He created it, Allah would have been dead till He created life. This is a logical absurdity. Can my brethren in Islam therefore please explain why it is said in the Quran that Allah created life?
To start with quote for me an ayat of the Qur'an or an authentic hadith that states "Allah created life".
Next define life. Well according to Merriam-Webster life is defined as: life 1 a: the quality that distinguishes a vital and functional being from a dead body b: a principle or force that is considered to underlie the distinctive quality of animate beings c: an organismic state characterized by capacity for metabolism, growth, reaction to stimuli, and reproduction
Allah created the creation including all living things. That is not to say that He created the "quality", the "principal", the "force" or the "organismic state" that characterizes living organisms and separates them from the dead.
Allah created man from clay and breathed of His Spirit (life) into him Quran 38:71 Behold when your Rabb said to the angels: "I am about to create a man from clay: 72 then when I have fashioned him and breathed of My spirit into him, kneel down and prostrate yourselves before him."
Likewise, Jesus fashioned a bird from clay and breathed life into it. Quran 5:110 ...How you were able to make the figure of a bird out of a clay, by My permission, how you breathed into it and changed it into a real bird, by My permission...
Allah's attributes are different from human attributes, therefore to say that 'life' of humans is similar to how Allah is - is totally false. Since there is none like Him.
Therefore the statement itself is flawed, since the concept of living has a totally different context and meaning for God compared to humans and the rest of creation.
It's like saying - did Allah create speech? Yes, He created speech for humans, and mankind etc. However - His speech is not created since it is His attribute, and He did not create Himself - since He is Eternal without a beginning or end, and this is why He is Perfect, and this is why we take Him and believe in Him as God - since His Perfection implies His Lordship over His creatures who are dependant upon Him.
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He is Eternal without a beginning or end, and this is why He is Perfect, and this is why we take Him and believe in Him as God - since His Perfection implies His Lordship over His creatures who are dependant upon Him while He is dependant upon no other.
He is absolute and supreme, the premise of ''creation'' and ''life'' is not the same for his beings as it is for him. He's the over-seer of all things. If he oversees all things, then that means he has knowledge of all things. He created everything, what is hidden and what is apparent to us. He knows what we reveal and conceal. In all aspects of the word, he is supreme.
''Lam yalid, walam yulad'' - He does not beget, nor is he begotten. (Surah Ikhlas, V:3).
To be in a state of 'no beginning or end', that being must be alive.
To be alive is to have a beginning and an end. Therefore, if something has no beginning and no end, it cannot be said to be alive.
How could He who is alive always claim to have created life?
I see where you're going with this. I think this lies more in our understanding or misunderstanding of Allah's nature rather than His existence itself.
I don't think Allah is really a 'being' in the same way His creations are. I think of it more in terms of a... consciousness. That's the closest word I can think of, and it's still a little off.
U see if u go along that road and ask these type of questions, u could also continue asking who created that god and who created the one before him and so forth(infinity!)
Doesn't make sense, does it!
To make it easier on ur mind first accept that there is one god! (Nothing is before him, and nothing is after him!)
Don't get caught asking questions which will never have an answer to! Ur life will be a mess, because u going to end questioning stuff which will never be answered, NEVER!
What's the islamic reply on this one:
God is not created, he did not create himself.
At least one thing in existence is not created (by god).
God is not the creator of all things.
The question itself arouses some new questions, which I'll try to do later..
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