You do care though, if you didn't care you wouldn't have felt the need to come on here and seek for advice. And that's a great blessing in itself - sometimes we lose ourselves in the darkness, but as long as we can see the light, we'll find a way out.
You can voice any of your concerns or doubts here, they'll be addressed in'sha'Allah.
I've been reading dozens of threads on this forum relating to my problem over the course of the last several years, only today I've created a thread of my own.
I have also watched hundreds of hours of Islamic lectures online and they don't sit with me well at all.
why did Allah create me, knowing that I would eventually disbelieve a thus thrown me into hell? I didn't ask to be created!
how can a man claiming to be a prophet marry a 9 year old? isn't that paedophilia? what's the justification? (no justification imo at all)
Also his claims of splitting the moon in two ? as well as 'ascending' to heaven on a flying horse? what about his(and other sahaba/caliphates) orders of stoning various people for various 'crimes' such as adultery? why couldn't he leave it to allah instead?
I know what you're getting at but I don't think I actually do, before I kept everything to myself but now I'm openly defying Islam and mocking it without remorse, I don't want to but it happens when we are discussing Islam at uni
I've come t the conclusion that belief is not a choice, I have tried my very best to no avail.
Greetings and peace be with you Khanali12; and welcome to the forum,
Also his claims of splitting the moon in two ? as well as 'ascending' to heaven on a flying horse?
If Allah can create the universe and life from nothing, then splitting the moon and flying horses would be a trivial task for Allah. In the Bible, Elijah is taken up to heaven on a chariot of fire and horses, I don't have any problems believing this, even though it goes against science and evidence.
what about his(and other sahaba/caliphates) orders of stoning various people for various 'crimes' such as adultery? why couldn't he leave it to allah instead?
Most countries have prisons, and some countries still have the death sentence, this is meant to be a deterrent. If you don't commit the crime, then you don't have to worry about punishment. Allah then has the power to raise people to a greater good life after death.
If there is no God, then all the injustice in this world will never be put right.
In the spirit of searching for a just and merciful God.
Look, you shouldn't be so hasty to jump to conclusions. To really benefit from any advice or answers we give, it's necessary for you to be willing to listen with an open mind, in'sha'Allah.
In regards to your first question, you've missed one fundamental point. As humans we have free will. Allah swt has created us with free will. There is an equal chance you may one day truly believe in Allah swt again and attain a place in Jannah, as there is you may not. We have been created to worship and obey the Creator - Allah swt.
The concept of free will and predestination can be a bit difficult to get your head around - Allah swt knows before we are born every choice we will make in life and what out ultimate destination will be, because He is all-Knowing, but knowing doesn't mean that He interferes with or influences our choices. I'm sure you've heard that concept in Islam where Allah swt won't change our hearts unless we change our own.
This second question of yours has been discussed many, many, many times on this forum. I'm linking you to a couple of such discussions - but basically you are viewing this issue through your own 'lens', probably influenced by the media, and not looking at the wider context:
As for your third question - Islam doesn't place a particularly high emphasis on miracles so to speak, for us the biggest miracle is the Qur'an itself. However, the splitting of the Moon, and the ascent to the heavens, don't seem that impossible when we remember that this isn't such a big thing for the One Who created the *entire* Universe. In fact I think Islam has a rather plausible explanation than other religions, as it emphasises these miracles came only from Allah swt and not the Prophets themselves.
where did I say I don't believe in god? I believe in a creator, just not Islam and its interpretation.
aren't you going t address my questions? if not then I guess Islam and me are going to part ways, for good.
You claimed you do not believe in God, that you reject HIM - and yet you wonder why HE created you - doesn't matter if you believe in Islamic version of God, or the Animist version, or whatever version - you still made an oxymoron, you cannot justify with weak logic.
Also - Your questions are steeped in ignorance.
Tell me what you understood and did not understand or accept from the scholarly explanations you claim to have spent many an hour on in relation to these "issues" you claim you have with Islam in your young, and over stretched confident age.
And I will show you where you are being foolish, in sha Allah.
_Reg.miracle of Moon split-It was seen by some rulers in Hind & he reverted to Islam .
Ascent to heaven -Do you know NDE (Near death experiences)exist!&One of Sahabas himself has experienced it .
It's actually proved by Muslims & science & Islamic history ....sucvh a great phenomena that exists by ALLAH's Permit.
So,when ordinary people can witness such things then how come ascension to heavens on flying horse in reality by a Prophet -a man on whom Qur'an was revealed could not get it?!
Qur'an itself has soooo many proofs of Truthful ness from science to history to do many aspects of life !
again show me where in my post I said that, AGAIN I REJECT ISLAMS VERSION OF GOD! a merciful allah wouldn't create me only to know he Is going throw me in fire for my future actions/inactions.
again show me where in my post I said that, AGAIN I REJECT ISLAMS VERSION OF GOD! a merciful allah wouldn't create me only to know he Is going throw me in fire for my future actions/inactions.
and where is the ignorance in my questions?
enough with your bs otherwise I'm leaving this chat.
What theology in One God doesn't have an idea of an afterlife where there isn't an heaven and hell?
You've not thought this through have you?
I'm proving your questions and premise are steeped in huge ignorance.
Come on lad, show me what you got? What I mean is: Tell me what you understood and did not understand or accept from the scholarly explanations you claim to have spent many an hour on in relation to these "issues" you say you have with Islam and I will prove you wrong.
Game? Don't deflect, show me you have the courage of your conviction and debate me Oh learned one!!!
What theology in One God doesn't have an idea of an afterlife where there isn't an heaven and hell?
You've not thought this through have you?
I'm proving your questions and premise are steeped in huge ignorance.
Come on lad, show me what you got? What I mean is: Tell me what you understood and did not understand or accept from the scholarly explanations you claim to have spent many an hour on in relation to these "issues" you say you have with Islam and I will prove you wrong.
Game? Don't deflect, show me you have the courage of your conviction and debate me Oh learned one!!!
Scimi
Please don't turn him away ,it's a very regrettable sin in Islam .
Please don't turn him away ,it's a very regrettable sin in Islam .
Khanali
Please avoid him & talk to others ....
Wait, stop in your tracks, and sit down.
He posed questions which have been answered, and when I pose them back, no courtesy response. Just ignorance.
If he is truthful with his line of enquiry then he shouldn't mind truthful lines of inquiry either - why are you giving him room to maneuver his bias all over the place? I'm trying to narrow it down.
Clearly, you've never given issues like this much thought and just play off your emotions. Please don't because Islam doesn't do appeals to emotion. Thank you in advance.
He posed questions which have been answered, and when I pose them back, no courtesy response. Just ignorance.
If he is truthful with his line of enquiry then he shouldn't mind truthful lines of inquiry either - why are you giving him room to maneuver his bias all over the place? I'm trying to narrow it down.
Clearly, you've never given issues like this much thought and just play off your emotions. Please don't because Islam doesn't do appeals to emotion. Thank you in advance.
Scimi
You're right but you need to be more aware of Muslims dilemma & how much they have fallen without Khilafah for over 100 years with colonisation & westernisation spread over & it takes time to assimilate things ....you're trying to be as accurate in giving him courage to opt for kufr.
Look around,so many Muslims turn towards Islam after such questions, so much mess our Ummah is actually in & with the guidance we have been blessed with requires us to be patient&do dawah with wisdom .This is not apologetic dawah but we need to know situation of individual before we label him outcast!
We are not under Islamic golden times when knowledge is rampant & everything is looking clear.
To add to our calamity, we are in end times ignorance & with loads of fitan upon fitan over our Ummah.
So,let's deal practically, give him time to think,understand, question,ponder& seek guidance from ALLAH Ta'ala!
Last edited by SoldierAmatUllah; 03-29-2017 at 05:39 PM.
You're right but you need to be more aware of Muslims dilemma & how much they have fallen without Khilafah for over 100 years with colonisation & westernisation spread over & it takes time to assimilate things ....you're trying to be as accurate in giving him courage to opt for kufr.
Maybe you should find out who you are speaking to
I'm MORE THAN >> AWARE.
Alhamdulillah, further, I am NOT weak sauce!
format_quote Originally Posted by AmatulWudud
Look around,so many Muslims turn towards Islam after such questions, so much mess our Ummah ius actually in & with the guidance we have been blessed with requires us to be patient&do dawah with wisdom .
So tell me, ALL ABOUT IT - but in another thread, thanks.
format_quote Originally Posted by AmatulWudud
We are not under Islamic golden times when knowledge is rampant & everything is looking clear.
Are you serious? Knowledge was "rampant" ???? wow, did it breed too? Honestly - talk of Islamic Golden Age is usually misunderstood by Muslims because they cannot even understand that not one scholar of Islam made any contributions towards the golden age which also filtered through to the renaissance period, and in turn - the technological revolution - nope - instead it was regular Joe Public who was Muslim and had interests in the sciences, math, pmedicine etc etc who took it to the heights we recognise as Golden Age today.
And during that age - so MANY Muslims didn't know how to even spell their own names, so i do wonder what you're talking about exactly~?
YOU LOOK AROUND - what do you see? Today the whole world is experiencing a Golden Age where information is at our fingertips and knowledge abounds and learning in most nations is free. Where education is the norm in society and not the ignorance which gave rise to something we all recognise as the Golden Age which saw the end of ignorance in learning across the West.
Please put more thought into your posts when addressing me, thank you.
format_quote Originally Posted by AmatulWudud
To add to our calamity, we are in end times ignorance & with loads of fitan upon fitan over our Ummah.
So,let's deal practically, give him time to think,understand, question,ponder& seek guidance from ALLAH Ta'ala!
Oh you wanna talk about end times be my guest - but again DO IT IN ANOTHER THREAD keep this one on topic. Thank you
Hey there! Looks like you're enjoying the discussion, but you're not signed up for an account.
When you create an account, we remember exactly what you've read, so you always come right back where you left off. You also get notifications, here and via email, whenever new posts are made. And you can like posts and share your thoughts. Sign Up
happymuslim liked this post
Oh learned one!!!
wow, did it breed too? Honestly - talk of Islamic Golden Age is usually misunderstood by Muslims because they cannot even understand that not one scholar of Islam made any contributions towards the golden age which also filtered through to the renaissance period, and in turn - the technological revolution - nope - instead it was regular Joe Public who was Muslim and had interests in the sciences, math, pmedicine etc etc who took it to the heights we recognise as Golden Age today.
be my guest - but again DO IT IN ANOTHER THREAD
Hide
Looks like you're enjoying the discussion, but you're not signed up for an account.
Posting Permissions
Bookmarks