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    Hi, my name is Daniel. I'm 34 years old by now and I live in the Netherlands. Originally I'm from Russia, but I have multicultural background: My father is from Afghanistan. And when I was a baby I was circumcised (dedicated to Islam) when my parents visited Afghanistan on holidays. Although I was circumcised, I had no Islamic upbringing, my father didn't care about that. So I have never confessed Islam and my circumcision means nothing for me. Instead I deeply believed in Jesus and wanted to be saved by following the Christian religion. Now I am Christian (Easter Orthodox) and thank God for that. Do want to know about me anything else? Ask me then. Most of all I like to talk about religion and personal experience of it.

    Here is my photo on internet (acolite (church servant) in white clothes and dark hair on the right side of the bishop with a crown) [Photo Removed]
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    Welcome Daniel!

    It's good that you're interested in religion, however I must say, only your dad's religion can save you as Jesus surely won't

    4:171 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth.

    4:172 Christ disdaineth nor to serve and worship Allah . . .

    5:17 In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary.

    61:6 And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"
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    These verses criticize Christian faith, but does Allah promise in the Quran or anywhere else eternal salvation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legal_alien View Post
    These verses criticize Christian faith, but does Allah promise in the Quran or anywhere else eternal salvation?
    Allah promises eternal damnation for attributing divinity to Jesus (pbuh).

    There's also eternal damnation for rejecting Islam as Allah sent this latest religion to all mankind thus abrogating previous dispensations

    And yes, Allah promises eternal salvation for those who convert to Islam:

    098.001 Those who disbelieve among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters could not have left off (erring) till the clear proof came unto them,

    098.002 A messenger from Allah, reading purified pages

    098.003 Containing correct scriptures.

    098.004 Nor were the People of the Scripture divided until after the clear proof came unto them.

    098.005 And they are ordered naught else than to serve Allah, keeping religion pure for Him, as men by nature upright, and to establish worship and to pay the poor-due. That is true religion.

    098.006 Lo! those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings.

    098.007 (And) lo! those who believe and do good works are the best of created beings.

    098.008 Their reward is with their Lord: Gardens of Eden underneath which rivers flow, wherein they dwell for ever. Allah hath pleasure in them and they have pleasure in Him. This is (in store) for him who feareth his Lord.

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    007.157 Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them. He will enjoin on them that which is right and forbid them that which is wrong. He will make lawful for them all good things and prohibit for them only the foul; and he will relieve them of their burden and the fetters that they used to wear. Then those who believe in him, and honour him, and help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him: they are the successful.

    007.158 Say (O Muhammad): O mankind! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah to you all - (the messenger of) Him unto Whom belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth. There is no God save Him. He quickeneth and He giveth death. So believe in Allah and His messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, who believeth in Allah and in His Words, and follow him that haply ye may be led aright.
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    our prophet Muhammad (Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) has said,

    "By Him in whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, any person of this Community, any Jew, or any Christian who hears of me and dies without believing in what I have been sent with will be an inhabitant of hell" (Sahih Muslim)

    This hadith clarifies the word of Allah in surat Al 'Imran
    "Whoever seeks a religion other than Islam will never have it accepted from him, and shall be of those who have truly failed in the next life" (Qur'an 3:85)
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    Okay, thank you. I see that only verse 098.008 says something about eternal reward. The other verses are only criticizing Christianity and Judaism. In my view Muslims affirm their religion by criticizing other religions. It is a negative kind of affirmation. A true religion doesn't need to be built on criticism of other religions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legal_alien View Post
    Okay, thank you. I see that only verse 098.008 says something about eternal reward. The other verses are only criticizing Christianity and Judaism. In my view Muslims affirm their religion by criticizing other religions. It is a negative kind of affirmation. A true religion doesn't need to be built on criticism of other religions.
    Can God criticize if a certain group are doing wrong?. I think you should look at it from the perspective that it may be God saying that in way of pointing out your errors and as a warning

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    “Surely, they have disbelieved who say: Allaah is the Messiah [‘Eesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary)’”[al-Maa’idah 5:72]

    “Surely, disbelievers are those who said: ‘Allaah is the third of the three (in a Trinity).” But there is no Ilaah (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilaah (God —Allaah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall on the disbelievers among them”[al-Maa’idah 5:73]
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    Salaam / Hello Brother Daniel Hoseiny (Legal Alien)

    Welcome back to our forums!

    May God help us all in this Dunya. May we all meet in Paradise. Ameen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed. View Post
    Can God criticize if a certain group are doing wrong?. I think you should look at it from the perspective that it may be God saying that in way of pointing out your errors and as a warning
    Okay, if God says it, then it must be surely accepted. But what if someone fasly pretends to be the messenger of Allah? When the spirit appeared to Mohammed, he didn't even introduced himself as angel Jibril. And what surprises me most is that the idea about the prophethood of Mohammed was originally introduced by a Christian (Barak, if I remember it well). So if Christians are heretics, blasphemers and polytheists, why should one believe in this opinion? If we think about it logically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legal_alien View Post
    Okay, if God says it, then it must be surely accepted. But what if someone fasly pretends to be the messenger of Allah? When the spirit appeared to Mohammed, he didn't even introduced himself as angel Jibril. And what surprises me most is that the idea about the prophethood of Mohammed was originally introduced by a Christian (Barak, if I remember it well). So if Christians are heretics, blasphemers and polytheists, why should one believe in this opinion? If we think about it logically.
    The angel did his duty of putting the first Quran verses in Prophets heart. If he initially said 'I am angel jibril' then do you think Muhammad (saw) would have believed that? So God got jibril (as) to say it in a way it would BE more believable.....

    After the initial encounter, the Prophet thought he was either going insane or that an evil spirit had visited him and he thought people would call him crazy now, so he decided to end his life... He climbed further up the mountain to jump off from a high point and as he was climbing, he heard a voice from the sky, he looked up and saw angel jibril in his real form with wings spread out covering the entire horizon, the angel said to him, "I am Jibril and you are the Messenger of Allah".

    There were some true Christians around at that time, Christians who either believed Jesus (pbuh) was Allah's servant and Messenger and they acknowledged verses in Bible that the final Messenger was yet to come (maybe the Bible verses saying that weren't distorted at that time) or they believed in the distorted teachings of Jesus' divinity but knew that another Messenger was yet to come.

    So based on what you have said, the Prophet Muhammad (saw) can not be falsified on that and the more you look into Islam you'll see there is every proof/sign that Muhammad (saw) is a true Messenger and nothing indicating that he was false
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    Okay, thank you for your honest response, my friend. I am sorry to say it, but I am not persuaded. Why? Because there's a logical mistake in your explanation, what they in the science of logic call 'circulus in probando' (vicious circle in proving). I asked you why we should believe in the opinion of that Christian Barak? And basically your answer was: Although Barak probably was also polytheist, heretic and blasphemer, like all other Christians nowadays, nevertheless he expected a new last prophet, who would be even greater than Jesus. But then the question is: If he probably was in error regarding the fundamental doctrinal teaching about God and Jesus, then why should we believe that regarding the prophethood of Mohammed (or his believe in the future appearance of a new prophet) he was absolutely right? And your answer basically is: Because he knew about the last great prophet. Do you see that this believe in that last prophet is in fact based on nothing? Correct me if I am wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legal_alien View Post
    Okay, thank you for your honest response, my friend. I am sorry to say it, but I am not persuaded. Why? Because there's a logical mistake in your explanation, what they in the science of logic call 'circulus in probando' (vicious circle in proving). I asked you why we should believe in the opinion of that Christian Barak? And basically your answer was: Although Barak probably was also polytheist, heretic and blasphemer, like all other Christians nowadays, nevertheless he expected a new last prophet, who would be even greater than Jesus. But then the question is: If he probably was in error regarding the fundamental doctrinal teaching about God and Jesus, then why should we believe that regarding the prophethood of Mohammed (or his believe in the future appearance of a new prophet) he was absolutely right? And your answer basically is: Because he knew about the last great prophet. Do you see that this believe in that last prophet is in fact based on nothing? Correct me if I am wrong.
    I also said that there were proper Christians around during then that believed in Jesus (pbuh) as Allah's Messenger and thus were monothiests. Even to this day, in the gospel of barnabas the Prophet Muhammad is mentioned by name.

    Allah says in Quran he does not punish until the divine message reaches a person, so if we assume this Barak was a polythiest trinitarian and if he knew another Prophet was coming and accepted that new Prophet then he'd rectify his mistakes too according to the new Prophets teachings, so Christians who accept the new Prophet and rectify their mistakes are not considered the blasphemer etc etc as they were just mistaken due to being duped by their priests. Its those who reject the new Prophet that are the blasphemers as they have no excuse to continue what God clarifies in new revelation as blasphemy

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    And although there's a report that a Christian monk helped confirm that indeed it was Jibril (as) that came to Muhammad (saw), the absolute confirmation was clinched by the Prophets wife Khadija.

    Jibril sometimes would appear to Muhammad (saw) in his home and only Muhammad (saw) could see him. So Khadija (ra) told him, "next time he comes tell me'. So when Jibril (as) appeared to Muhammad (saw), he told Khadija, and khadija sat on Muhammad's (saw) lap and uncovered her head and asked Muhammad (saw) if the 'thing' was still there in the room, the Prophet (saw) replied 'no he's left', and Khadija told him then it's not a devil and has to be an angel because an angel would not remain in a room where husband and wife start to get intimate.

    She reassured him with other sound advice too, saying, he was a good man, never told lies, gave charity to poor etc etc and Allah wouldn't humiliate him with a curse of devil visits....

    So it was his wife that played the 99.9 percent part in confirming his Prophethood.
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    1. Again it's the same here: you are saying that there were proper and improper Christians. But why do you think they were proper Christians? You reply: Because they knew (or believed) in the new last prophet and his teaching. But why do you affirm that there must be another prophet greater than Jesus? You reply: Because those proper Christians believed so. Do you see there no any proof or evidence whatsoever in this argumentation. It's the same as I would say to you: I talk every day with God. You would reply: Don't lie! And then I would say: How can l lie, a person who talks every day with God?! So there's nothing to talk about with such a person.
    2. It was a Christian Warqah ibn Nawfal (not Barak, excuse me for mistake) who first assured Khadija that her husband was a prophet. And Khadija assured Mohammed in his alleged prophethood.
    3. In my view there was indeed a purpose in the emergence of Islam. It was for punishment of Christians who lived a life unworthy of their true God-given faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legal_alien View Post
    Hi, my name is Daniel. I'm 34 years old by now and I live in the Netherlands. Originally I'm from Russia, but I have multicultural background: My father is from Afghanistan. And when I was a baby I was circumcised (dedicated to Islam) when my parents visited Afghanistan on holidays. Although I was circumcised, I had no Islamic upbringing, my father didn't care about that. So I have never confessed Islam and my circumcision means nothing for me. Instead I deeply believed in Jesus and wanted to be saved by following the Christian religion. Now I am Christian (Easter Orthodox) and thank God for that. Do want to know about me anything else? Ask me then. Most of all I like to talk about religion and personal experience of it.

    Here is my photo on internet (acolite (church servant) in white clothes and dark hair on the right side of the bishop with a crown) [Photo Removed]
    Hi Daniel,

    Welcome to the forum
    Can you share what you believe in?
    Why did you left Islam?
    What is the proof that your belief system is the truth?

    Regarding circumcision, God has commanded to have circumcision in all Abrahamic religions whether Jewism, Christianity or Islam. So you are good. You can look up some scientific benefits if male circumcision and thank God that you are circumcised
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    Thanks, brother. So to answer your questions:
    1. I believe in Jesus as the promised Messiah, Savior, Redeemer, the Son of God and in his messege, which is recorded in the Gospels. If you have more specific questions about my beliefs, then ask and I will reply.
    2. As I said I never practiced Islam personally, although as a child I was inclined to believe in God. But Islam from my point of view doesn't have anything beautiful or positive to attract the heart of a person from within. I'm sorry to say it.
    3. I have 5 proofs on behalf of my religion.
    I. Non-triviality. That is to say that the doctrine of my religion is certainly not the product of human reasoning, because in biblical revelation there are facts which are simply unexplainable. For example the creation of the universe by God out of nothing, the revelation of Holy Trinity, the person of Jesus... And the concept of the absolute God itself is also unexplainable for human logic. Nonetheless these real facts that are revealed and cannot be denied.
    II. The biblical prophesies that are fulfilling. Such prophesies can only be given by a being who is not confined within time, but outside of it; that being is Creator of time, God. There are many examples. There messianic prophesies fulfilled in the life of Jesus Christ, but there are also prophesies about political events, such invasion of Persia by Alexander the Great 'the first Greek king', as prophet Daniel described him long before it happened. And there are also prophesies about the return of the Jews to the Holy Land (Palestine), which happened in the 20th century.
    III. The high moral standard of the commandments of Jesus. For example the commandments 'love your enemies' and 'don't commit adultery by looking at a woman' are not stupid. If performed correctly, they don't make a man weak, on the contrary he becames stronger by restraining himself from passions such as anger and lust.
    IV. The wonders of Jesus. He said himself that no one could do them; for example the bringing of dead person back to life, forgiving sins and healing. I don't know any person in the history who equaled Jesus in it.
    V. The tremendous impact of Gospel's messege on human lives. Millions of people accepted the Gospel (Good News) of Jesus freely, not by external pressure and fear. And it transformed their lives. The first 3 centuries of Christendom were famous for their martyrs, who endured the most painful tortures from the pagan Romans who forced them to deny Christ and worship the emperor, but those brave Christians remained faithful to God until the death. Why? Because they wholly loved Christ and freely accepted the sufferings. There are also other examples.

    Note that I affirm the truthfulness of my religion not by criticizing Islam or whatever, but positively. As I said my religion doesn't need enemies to assert itself.

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    1. Again it's the same here: you are saying that there were proper and improper Christians. But why do you think they were proper Christians? You reply: Because they knew (or believed) in the new last prophet and his teaching. But why do you affirm that there must be another prophet greater than Jesus? You reply: Because those proper Christians believed so. Do you see there no any proof or evidence whatsoever in this argumentation. It's the same as I would say to you: I talk every day with God. You would reply: Don't lie! And then I would say: How can l lie, a person who talks every day with God?! So there's nothing to talk about with such a person.
    2. It was a Christian Warqah ibn Nawfal (not Barak, excuse me for mistake) who first assured Khadija that her husband was a prophet. And Khadija assured Mohammed in his alleged prophethood.
    3. In my view there was indeed a purpose in the emergence of Islam. It was for punishment of Christians who lived a life unworthy of their true God-given faith.
    Lol it was you who suggested a Christian confirmed Islam. Islam and Prophet Muhammad's (saw) ProphetHood was confirmed by Allah. If waraqah nawfals story is true ( not sure how sahih that hadith is) then that's just one of the ways Allah put a bit of reassurance in Khadija and Muhammad (saw). Waraqah will in no way be the 'big proof' of Islam like your suggesting. It was just a simple confirmation from a guy who knew about Jibril (as) as Jibril (as) description would have been in Christianity.

    Don't you know about the miraculous Quran we have and the miracles of Prophet Muhammad (saw) that confirms his Prophethood for us? And you think a obscure story of a Christian monk affirming Muhammad's Prophethood is our decicive proof? you haven't honoured your dad by at least finding out some basics about his religion my friend
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    And I think your point about 'Muslims/Islam criticizing other religions' is very odd, as I'm sure anyone would agree that there's nothing out of place for God to point out the desbelievers' errors, and calling them towards rectification. Infact common sense tells us that these sort of messages is what guidance/revelation from God should be all about!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed. View Post
    And I think your point about 'Muslims/Islam criticizing other religions' is very odd, as I'm sure anyone would agree that there's nothing out of place for God to point out the desbelievers' errors, and calling them towards rectification. Infact common sense tells us that these sort of messages is what guidance/revelation from God should be all about!
    The point is here that if I (for example) most of the time am telling you how terribly wrong you are, it doesn't automatically mean that I am completely right (even in what I accuse you of).

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    you haven't honoured your dad by at least finding out some basics about his religion my friend
    Okay, may that's why he always blamed himself every time he got angry with me "barom padre too saga, hara nolat" (your father is a dog, donkey). When I asked why do you blame yourself, he replied: you don't understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legal_alien View Post
    The point is here that if I (for example) most of the time am telling you how terribly wrong you are, it doesn't automatically mean that I am completely right (even in what I accuse you of).

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    Okay, may that's why he always blamed himself every time he got angry with me "barom padre too saga, hara nolat" (your father is a dog, donkey). When I asked why do you blame yourself, he replied: you don't understand.
    I critisized with God's words to try and save you my friend. You started off the criticism by saying 'thank God I'm a Christian and didn't become a Muslim'. This implies that Islam is false, it also dismayed me to see how deeply and dangerously you are entrenched in your own faith, so my posting of God's criticism was to show you how dangerous those beliefs of yours are. I have your best interest at heart. I'm trying to save you my friend

    However I admit it may not have been a prudent start, but I blame that on me being homebound for past week thus I'm not my usual self...


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