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    Very interesting.

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    Re: Decline of the Ottoman Empire

    Not to forget the weakest empire when we talk about Islamic principles compared to other Islamic Empires. This shows again ..you go away from Islamic principles Allah will humiliate you. They came..they embraced Islam..but slowly doing this that were not Islamic and in the end this giving way to self destruct.

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    Sad how they declined.

    I can't wait to see the decline of America because of what they do.

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    Re: Decline of the Ottoman Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Serinity View Post


    Sad how they declined.

    I can't wait to see the decline of America because of what they do.

    Allahu alam.
    Brother, do be VERY careful what you are saying. Because Ottoman empire was on a TOTALLY different level as US. When US collapses, the world collapses. Based on what? Right now, the US Dollar is seen as a international currency. In the past it was backed by gold, so even if the currency would be harmed, there is always the backup of gold making it still not risky. Right now it is backed up by "thin air". If the currency collapses, well good luck collecting thin air.

    I am myself NOT a economic analyst and don't know what they know, but i have basic brain funcitonality and i see things going the wrong way.

    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/10/there...mist-says.html


    Dollar - British Pound - (1971 - 2016)



    Euro - Dollar - (2003- 2017)



    The question is, the economic collapse back in 2008 has happened that was already almost 9 years ago. HOW come it is still in decline? The MOST scary thing is, NOBODY is talking about, one has to do his own research. I mean me, just google for it in less than 10 minutes you find the data.

    You judge this yourself.
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    The decline of the Ottoman Empire was the decline of the Islamic Union. Today Muslims dont have such a Union, good or bad. But any decline of the American Empire will be the decline of their socio-economic hegemonia as well. Its true that all the world economies are dependant on Dollar and Euro and Euro is on Dollar indirectly but the question, is it a good thing? Better we go on like that or should we get rid off Dolar's hegemonia? If you were able to creat your independent economies you would not be effected by any Dollar based crisis

    America and Ottoman Empire cannot be confused. They had different motivations and goals but you can compare it to the Roman Empire. American Empire is the new Roman Empire with all their intentions, motivations and goals.
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    Re: Decline of the Ottoman Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    The decline of the Ottoman Empire was the decline of the Islamic Union. Today Muslims dont have such a Union, good or bad. But any decline of the American Empire will be the decline of their socio-economic hegemonia as well. Its true that all the world economies are dependant on Dollar and Euro and Euro is on Dollar indirectly but the question, is it a good thing? Better we go on like that or should we get rid off Dolar's hegemonia? If you were able to creat your independent economies you would not be effected by any Dollar based crisis
    To build something a foundation first needs to be created. Paper money in Islam is NOT money. The world today is filled with corruption of all kind of corrupt ideas from business ideas to entertainment to what is food now a days and what are moral values. So far looking at it because there are SOO MANY people out there that would want to uphold this corrupt view, i so far can only conclude destruction needs to take place that wipes out A LOT of people. Because it is nearly impossible to have many people let go of habits that destroy their own self as well as society as a whole.

    So to go to gold and silver, also moral values need to be changed, but also the mentality of the people. This all starts with truly worship of Allah. When one is convinced of that fact, all the rest becomes worthless in ones eyes and one can easily let go of things that drive people now a days. (Greed, lust, jealousy, envy, hatred etc.). However there are people in high positions that control the masses to follow certain way. These people need to be getting rid of so to say. Whatever happens a economic collapse is inevitable based on the current data. That is also the start of chaos and anarchy especially in countries where people ONLY think of themselves.

    This is a good music video that shows the current way of things going on and if that is not dajjal, then i am blind as blind can be. People in flocks joining him..against corruption and those world leaders etc..



    Not even hiding it that he is dajjal =_=!..

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    I'd definitely want an Islamic State. We'll just establish our own currency. We should establish the worship of one God, Allah . Unless we unite upon Tawheed, we won't succeed.

    Allahu alam.
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    Salaam

    Rare video from the Ottoman empire

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    Re: Decline of the Ottoman Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person View Post
    This is a good music video that shows the current way of things going on and if that is not dajjal, then i am blind as blind can be. People in flocks joining him..against corruption and those world leaders etc..
    World is ruled by some gun barons. They are the same people who provide guns to all opposing militarist groups all over the World. Dollar economy is based on two things, oil and gun. They shoot two birds with one rock by promoting those conflicts in the oil rich regions.
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    Re: Decline of the Ottoman Empire

    Tribute to the State with some scenes from WW1, their final battle..

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    Re: Decline of the Ottoman Empire

    When we look at our history we see many great achievements that we have accomplished in the past as well as how we fell from grace!

    I do however feel that we forget that the Islamic empires/Caliphates of the past catered not just for Muslims but non Muslims too, where Christian and Jewish communities successfully lived side by side with Muslims.

    When we look at the world today and the wealthy countries in particular being dependent upon a financial system built on greed doused match sticks,it won't be long before they go up in flames and take their followers with them.

    I personally don't think that we should merely reminisce about the old days rather it is imperative that we return to what made us and our fellow non Muslims great, allowed us to live in harmony with one another, bringing economic justice to many and not line the pockets of the few.

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    Salaam

    A follow up video

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    Re: Decline of the Ottoman Empire

    Decline of ottoman empire caused the decline of this ummah.

    So sad.
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    Re: Decline of the Ottoman Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    Decline of ottoman empire caused the decline of this ummah.

    So sad.
    I believe the decline of the Ummah already began somewhere JUST before the mongol invasion of Baghdad. Such big destruction send by Allah are not just "because"..it has a reason. If we look and read about those times..people were all about knowledge and worldly riches..

    "If you can't eat it..why did you hoard it (gold)"



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    source used: http://dailyhadith.abuaminaelias.com...be-humiliated/
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    Re: Decline of the Ottoman Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    Decline of ottoman empire caused the decline of this ummah.

    So sad.
    Rubbish.

    The Ottoman empire was a Kingship - passed down from father to son, even if that son was incapable of ruling. What you crying about?

    The Brits, French and Yanks did this, and they used the Ottoman empire to clash with the Arabs which showed one thing only - that both the Arabs and the Turks were mutually stupid to fall for it - but fall they did because of the promise of "modernity" - nothing more, nothing less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person View Post
    I believe the decline of the Ummah already began somewhere JUST before the mongol invasion of Baghdad. Such big destruction send by Allah are not just "because"..it has a reason. If we look and read about those times..people were all about knowledge and worldly riches..

    "If you can't eat it..why did you hoard it (gold)"



    Tariq ibn Shihab reported: Umar ibn Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, said, “Verily, we were a disgraceful people and Allah honored us with Islam. If we seek honor from anything besides that with which Allah has honored us, then Allah will disgrace us.”

    source used: http://dailyhadith.abuaminaelias.com...be-humiliated/
    Indeed, Mongols destroyed Baghdad and killed Muslims on large scale but their later generations became Muslims and helped islamic empire to regain the lost glory.

    The conversion of Mongols was the last largest event of embracing Islam in wholesale.

    We don't see another incident of a while community ever converted to Islam after it.

    As far as Ottoman empire is concerned they carved a niche in the Islamic history. As long as it remained intact, successfully occupied a large part of the world as a powerful united country till first world war.

    I don't know if I've understood history correctly
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    Re: Decline of the Ottoman Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    Rubbish.

    The Ottoman empire was a Kingship - passed down from father to son, even if that son was incapable of ruling. What you crying about?

    The Brits, French and Yanks did this, and they used the Ottoman empire to clash with the Arabs which showed one thing only - that both the Arabs and the Turks were mutually stupid to fall for it - but fall they did because of the promise of "modernity" - nothing more, nothing less.

    Scimi
    But bro, as long as they remained in power this ummah had its own honour. We were united and now despite being so many countries even blood of Muslims has no importance.

    Nobody says they were very good people.
    But...
    If they had won ww1 , subcontinent would have been a united Muslim country.
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    Re: Decline of the Ottoman Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    But bro, as long as they remained in power this ummah had its own honour. We were united and now despite being so many countries even blood of Muslims has no importance.

    Nobody says they were very good people.
    But...
    If they had won ww1 , subcontinent would have been a united Muslim country.
    still nonsense,

    it was Qadr Allah that these tyrant kings were overthrown! How can you claim that they were great when they practiced enslavement when there was no war? Jannisary tactics when there is no compulsion in religion?

    They HAD to be punished!

    I absolutely loathe the Ottomans after comparatively researching and understanding for myself the truth you will not even entertain.

    The prophet pbuh said the first 30 years after his demise was the rule of khaliphs who would be rightly guided (the salaf us saliheen), after that would come the rule of kings (deplorable) and after that the rule of tyrants (hated)... and these Ottomans were tyrants!

    You speak with zeal and little understanding.

    The Ottomans were fail!

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    Re: Decline of the Ottoman Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    But bro, as long as they remained in power this ummah had its own honour. We were united and now despite being so many countries even blood of Muslims has no importance.

    Nobody says they were very good people.
    But...
    If they had won ww1 , subcontinent would have been a united Muslim country.
    United? What I know was that the Kurds were fighting them what I also know was that other people besides Kurds were very dissatisfied under their rule. That is why the Arabs worked with the west to overthrow them.

    The Orthodox Christianity hated them because of their mentality of wanting to conquer things. As Constantinople with that Hagia Sophia.

    So like I said the decline of the Ummah began just before the mongol invasion of Baghdad. The art is for us as individuals to learn from what has happened and follow the path of Allah. If not, for sure He will humiliate us also. This even has happened right now in the Middle East as Muslims took pride in culture and did wrong to their own family members by forcing marriages or by taking pride as Muslims with their mouths but not by action or defending dictators or throwing away food or taking pride in nationalism etc.etc. To be honest I do not even feel sorry for what is happening to the Ummah because we are fools by not wanting to follow path of Allah. We have deserved this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    still nonsense,

    it was Qadr Allah that these tyrant kings were overthrown! How can you claim that they were great when they practiced enslavement when there was no war? Jannisary tactics when there is no compulsion in religion?

    They HAD to be punished!

    I absolutely loathe the Ottomans after comparatively researching and understanding for myself the truth you will not even entertain.

    The prophet pbuh said the first 30 years after his demise was the rule of khaliphs who would be rightly guided (the salaf us saliheen), after that would come the rule of kings (deplorable) and after that the rule of tyrants (hated)... and these Ottomans were tyrants!

    You speak with zeal and little understanding.

    The Ottomans were fail!

    Scimi
    Inshallah you also have an explanation for why Allah "waited" more than 500 years to punish them for the reasons you mention since the janissary system was formed in the late 14th c. but the State collopsed in the early 20th c.? Even the jannisary system was abolished a hundred year before the collopse of the Ottoman Empire. It is also interesting that you mentioned them as kings at first but later you associated them with the tyirannical rulers part of the above hadith.
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