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    A Descriptive Record of the Tatar Invasion of Muslim lands - Ibn al-Atheer





    A Descriptive Record of the Tatar Invasion of Muslim lands





    In the Name of Allâh, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful



    By Imam Ibn al-Atheer


    Ibn al-Atheer's descriptive record of their ungodliness and destruction is truly vivid; he said:

    "I have for several years restrained myself from mentioning the Tatar event, the remembrance of which causes me to shudder. Even now I hesitate to recall it, for who can write an epitaph for Islam and the Muslims? Who can find it possible to recount the tragedy? Oh, that my mother had not given me birth, or that I had died before this moment; Yet, I have been urged by a group of friends to outline a record of the event, and find that to decline their request would benefit me nothing...It was such a great catastrophe the like of which the days and the nights are too sterile to produce. It swept all of mankind, but particularly the Muslims. If it is said that since Creation there has been nothing like it the saying would be true. Histories have never seen its likeness; and may Future never bring about anything approximating it until the Final Destruction of the world by Gog and Maggog [Armagiddon]...They [The Tatar] sparned no one: they killed men, women, and children. They cut open the wombs of those with child. They destroyed unborn babies...They killed and robbed and vanadalized. Even Alexander who, by the concensus of historians, ruled the world, did not invade it as rapidly and as rampantly as these. It took him twenty years, but for them the ravage took less than a year. He did not kill or terrorize, he only subjected the world to his obedience. They ravaged and destroyed. Neither they nor their animals had a sense of discrimination or discernment of what they ate. They knew neither marriage nor fatherood."


    Ibn al-Atheer, Al-Kaamil fee al-Taareekh, Vol XII, pp 137-8
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    Re: A Descriptive Record of the Tatar Invasion of Muslim lands - Ibn al-Atheer


    As an example of the brutality the Mongols were known for, it is known that many of the lesser Khans would create giant monuments made out of human skulls to remind the conquered peoples to pay tribute or be slaughtered.
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    Re: A Descriptive Record of the Tatar Invasion of Muslim lands - Ibn al-Atheer


    very very interesting, i did an essay on the mongols, read this ancient crumbling lil pamphlet on it to get sum background info lol.its quite mind boggling, the golden horde and the this horde and the that horde
    but genghis reverted SubhanAllah, Allah guides whom he wills.
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    Re: A Descriptive Record of the Tatar Invasion of Muslim lands - Ibn al-Atheer


    Yes, the mongols were a brutal bunch. Not so brutal as Vlad Dracul, though. I read somewhere that he bathed in the blood of the Muslim soldiers he mercilessly slaughtered--I read it in a textbook in high school, so it probably is true. Christians can be so heartless in their evil when on a religious rampage of crusade against those trying merely to educate them to a peaceful way of living.

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    Re: A Descriptive Record of the Tatar Invasion of Muslim lands - Ibn al-Atheer


    Quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye View Post
    Not asking anything at all, and surely I wouldn't mistake your moniker for a character from the 1930's it was a mere digression brought on by your SN.. in closure we can certainly resume the thread title if you so desire.. my humble apologies for the side track...
    My reply must have sounded hostile; I apologize, completely. It's a defect on the part of Americans to assume that they can always control the dialogue and the conversation at the same time--we are hubristic beyond all control. I sincerely am enthralled by Muslim culture and the Muslim way of life--when I contrast it with the hell that we Christians live with in the United States, I cringe. Muslims always seem to be at peace with one another, and with the people of the book. Pity the "Christians" that control this country can't say the same.

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    Re: A Descriptive Record of the Tatar Invasion of Muslim lands - Ibn al-Atheer


    I ask you then to join us unto Ramadan (month of fast) this year, you might like the show of togetherness which to me at least seems international -- you can also sample (in pictures) how it is observed in various regions (get some good recipes too if we're lucky)..

    all the best
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    Re: A Descriptive Record of the Tatar Invasion of Muslim lands - Ibn al-Atheer


    Quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye View Post
    I ask you then to join us unto Ramadan (month of fast) this year, you might like the show of togetherness which to me at least seems international -- you can also sample (in pictures) how it is observed in various regions (get some good recipes too if we're lucky)..

    all the best
    I have a great recipe here on this link, since I was asked for a recipe. Keep in mind that I know that pork is verboten--this man is using pork, but I make this with turkey bacon and turkey sausage, always bought kosher, which I understand is the same as halal. This is great stuff--again, I do not condone the eating of pork, which I refrain from not because of my religious convictions, but because the pig is a filthy animal. But this is simply decadent.

    http://www.bbqaddicts.com/blog/recipes/bacon-explosion/

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    Re: A Descriptive Record of the Tatar Invasion of Muslim lands - Ibn al-Atheer


    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Mabuse View Post
    Yes, the mongols were a brutal bunch. Not so brutal as Vlad Dracul, though. I read somewhere that he bathed in the blood of the Muslim soldiers he mercilessly slaughtered--I read it in a textbook in high school, so it probably is true. Christians can be so heartless in their evil when on a religious rampage of crusade against those trying merely to educate them to a peaceful way of living.
    Brutal? The Great Khan sent missionaries and traders who were butchered for no reason. He had to protect his honour and reputation. Who could let such an affront go unpunished?
    As the Great Khan said: "I am the scourge of God. If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me."
    Genghis and his soldiers were true children of God, following the plan which He created for them.

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    Re: A Descriptive Record of the Tatar Invasion of Muslim lands - Ibn al-Atheer


    Was it Ghenkis Khan who tracked a man across Europe in order to pour molten gold into his skull via his eyeballs as a retribution for stealing from him ? Thats some vendetta if so. May have been Attila the hun, not sure
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    Re: A Descriptive Record of the Tatar Invasion of Muslim lands - Ibn al-Atheer


    Quote Originally Posted by Tony View Post
    Was it Ghenkis Khan who tracked a man across Europe in order to pour molten gold into his skull via his eyeballs as a retribution for stealing from him ? Thats some vendetta if so. May have been Attila the hun, not sure
    It was actually during a siege of a city. The whole population knew what expected them if they didn't surrender, and so they wanted to surrender, but the governor of the city didn't. He was a fat, weak, corrupt but very rich man.
    After a few weeks, they finally made him go out and ask for mercy. He offered Genghis Khan all his gold if he spared HIS life (not his people's). Genghis Khan then poured molten gold on him, to show how little he cared for material wealth. And to send a message that no gold could buy him.

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    ok interseting story. I am interested in this subject, feel free to expand. I am going to ask the obvious question first, what are your thoughts on his reversion to Islam given that you follow a similar belief to GK upto a point
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony View Post
    ok interseting story. I am interested in this subject, feel free to expand. I am going to ask the obvious question first, what are your thoughts on his reversion to Islam given that you follow a similar belief to GK upto a point
    It's all the same to me, as long as praise is given to the one God. Of course, I believe our Shaman way is the purest way of praise God can receive, but I don't care if Islam got weaker.

    If Shamanism had gotten stronger, then I would be pleased, but since it was only Islam that got weaker, it doesn't matter much to me.

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    Re: A Descriptive Record of the Tatar Invasion of Muslim lands - Ibn al-Atheer


    ok, not sure what you mean by Islam got weaker though.
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    Re: A Descriptive Record of the Tatar Invasion of Muslim lands - Ibn al-Atheer


    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Mabuse View Post
    Yes, the mongols were a brutal bunch. Not so brutal as Vlad Dracul, though. I read somewhere that he bathed in the blood of the Muslim soldiers he mercilessly slaughtered--I read it in a textbook in high school, so it probably is true. Christians can be so heartless in their evil when on a religious rampage of crusade against those trying merely to educate them to a peaceful way of living.
    Vlad Tepes, was indeed a bbrutal man, but then the armies of Islam did invadehis country and he and his brother Radu (the handsome) were held hostages for many years during their childhood by the invading muslims where they treated them very badly. So unpleasant as he was it was a form of payback,there is no record that I have found of him bathing in blood, nor was this a part of the story told by an enthusiastically blood thirsty tour guide when I visited Wallachia to see his castle, perhaps you are thinking of Erzabet Bathory who was in the habit of bathing in the blood of virgins, initially peasants but later nobles for which she was walled up in her own castle. Vlad did however make a habit of impaling his enemiesandused to eat his meals surrounded by the dead and dying.

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    Re: A Descriptive Record of the Tatar Invasion of Muslim lands - Ibn al-Atheer


    Quote Originally Posted by Sahabiyaat View Post
    very very interesting, i did an essay on the mongols, read this ancient crumbling lil pamphlet on it to get sum background info lol.its quite mind boggling, the golden horde and the this horde and the that horde
    but genghis reverted SubhanAllah, Allah guides whom he wills.
    Where did you get that from? I know that Temujin was tolerant of various religions, including Islam, but I have found no record of his conversion.

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    Re: A Descriptive Record of the Tatar Invasion of Muslim lands - Ibn al-Atheer


    I want to make a small clarification here:
    name "Tatar" does not refer to muslim Turkic-speakers, it refers to east asian mongol invaders.
    There is a historical injustice concerning Volga's Bulgar people and Crimeans (Qirimlis), where they are being misnamed as "tatars" by russians. Name "Tatar" means "another" or "different" in Kipchak (Western Turkic) languages. It was used towards mongoloid asian invaders, NOT towards Turkic peoples.

    As an ethnic Kazakh I know this mongol/turk confusion and I know the injustice it brings with itself. My Kazakh nation suffered much during mongol invasion - it was a massive attack at Muslim Turkic-speakers, including great Muslim states of Volga Bulgaria, Chorasmian Empire and Karakhanide state. The sad result of mongol, as well as dzungar (western mongol) invasions is that 2/3 of Kazakhs today have distant mongolian relatives and are being classified as mongoloids; and we are not. I studied anthropology and being an ethnic Kazakh I know how my people look like - we are caucasian (same as europeans, persians, arabs, indians, etc.) people, as most of Turkic peoples in the world.

    I address this issue because many turanists/pan-turkists are known to assault our heritage by grouping us with non-muslim mongols, native americans and anyone who lives in northern hemisphere, outside of Europe.
    Genghis-khan was an evil man, he was a pagan.
    My nation still suffers from Chingizid tyranny, our history is being lied, islam is being taken out of our minds, and replaced with some mongol-"altaic"-shamanistic nonsense.

    Completely anti-islamic, anti-Turkic propaganda.

    "Tatar invasion" was an invasion by pagan mongols, who burned and destroyed muslim, Turkic, Persian, Arab, Indian and other cities.
    A horrible event in our history, may Allah protect us from such monsters as Genghis.

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    Re: A Descriptive Record of the Tatar Invasion of Muslim lands - Ibn al-Atheer


    Great post Jazaka Allah khyran..
    I think the confusion is because the grandson of Genghis I believe converted to Islam and mixed in with the culture..

    and Allah swt knows best

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    Re: A Descriptive Record of the Tatar Invasion of Muslim lands - Ibn al-Atheer


    Quote Originally Posted by Santoku View Post
    Vlad Tepes, was indeed a bbrutal man, but then the armies of Islam did invadehis country and he and his brother Radu (the handsome) were held hostages for many years during their childhood by the invading muslims where they treated them very badly. So unpleasant as he was it was a form of payback,there is no record that I have found of him bathing in blood, nor was this a part of the story told by an enthusiastically blood thirsty tour guide when I visited Wallachia to see his castle, perhaps you are thinking of Erzabet Bathory who was in the habit of bathing in the blood of virgins, initially peasants but later nobles for which she was walled up in her own castle. Vlad did however make a habit of impaling his enemiesandused to eat his meals surrounded by the dead and dying.
    I would like to know what the muslims did and who told you or where you got it from?
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    Re: A Descriptive Record of the Tatar Invasion of Muslim lands - Ibn al-Atheer


    Quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye View Post
    Great post Jazaka Allah khyran..
    I think the confusion is because the grandson of Genghis I believe converted to Islam and mixed in with the culture..

    and Allah swt knows best


    Exactly, it was the grandson who converted to Islam and fought against khan's armies and was victorious.

 

 
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