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    Debate: Can We Live Better Lives Without Religion?

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    The following is a debate that took place between brother Hamza Andreas Tzortzis and the secular humanist Peter Cave on the topic of whether we can live better lives without religion.

    I've heard Brother Hamza speak before and Mashaa'Allah he is very educated and intelligent and he is doing a lot of good work to engage Non-Muslims in rational and respectful discourse about religion. We need more Muslims like him. May Allah reward him in abundance.

    This thread is primarily for discussion about the content of the video and not for our own arguments about the topic.

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    "I spent thirty years learning manners, and I spent twenty years learning knowledge."

    ~ 'Abdullāh bin al-Mubārak (rahimahullah)

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    Re: Debate: Can We Live Better Lives Without Religion?

    hes such a good speaker mashaAllah id love to be able to speak to a group of people like that if i was not so darn shy
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    Re: Debate: Can We Live Better Lives Without Religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by cat eyes View Post
    hes such a good speaker mashaAllah id love to be able to speak to a group of people like that if i was not so darn shy
    Yeah I panic when I have to speak to a lot of people.
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    I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.

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    Re: Debate: Can We Live Better Lives Without Religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by cat eyes View Post
    hes such a good speaker mashaAllah id love to be able to speak to a group of people like that if i was not so darn shy
    becomes easier with pratice trust me, I was nervous for a presentation I had to do but having done it I feel much more confident now and wanna do it again.
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    Re: Debate: Can We Live Better Lives Without Religion?

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    becomes easier with pratice trust me, I was nervous for a presentation I had to do but having done it I feel much more confident now and wanna do it again.
    mashaAllah my brother
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    ~ 'Abdullāh bin al-Mubārak (rahimahullah)

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    Re: Debate: Can We Live Better Lives Without Religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guestfellow View Post
    Yeah I panic when I have to speak to a lot of people.
    The total chaos and anxiety in my mind becomes unbearable in such a situation. I was actually studying to become a teacher in 2005. Was not such a good idea. Hahaha! Nice video btw, I must watch this..
    Quote Originally Posted by squiggle View Post
    becomes easier with pratice trust me, I was nervous for a presentation I had to do but having done it I feel much more confident now and wanna do it again.
    It never becomes easier for me, NEVER !!!!

    Even if I lived another ten million years with this same brain I have, nothing would change, I'm positive.
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    Re: Debate: Can We Live Better Lives Without Religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon View Post
    The total chaos and anxiety in my mind becomes unbearable in such a situation. I was actually studying to become a teacher in 2005. Was not such a good idea. Hahaha! Nice video btw, I must watch this..
    Ah teaching is a tough career, the kids are annoying. I would probably be sacked for attempted murder..

    I watched the debate, the brother raised excellent points. The other guy was not addressing his points.
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    I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.

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    Re: Debate: Can We Live Better Lives Without Religion?

    They are such intellectual... i'm feeling envy here huhu
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    25:36 And the true servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk the earth with humility and when the ignorant address them, they respond with words of peace.

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    Re: Debate: Can We Live Better Lives Without Religion?

    This isn't even debatable. Life without religion is aimless. Religion is what created modern civilization. Religion is what sculptured art, culture, diversity, science, and math. Religion is the bonding of Mankind, the truth and the known fact that there is a Supreme Being, Allah Ta'ala the Alone, the Almighty.

    Who can debate this?

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    Re: Debate: Can We Live Better Lives Without Religion?

    ^^^ the thing is they believe they can huhu
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    25:36 And the true servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk the earth with humility and when the ignorant address them, they respond with words of peace.

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    Re: Debate: Can We Live Better Lives Without Religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Uthmān View Post


    The following is a debate that took place between brother Hamza Andreas Tzortzis and the secular humanist Peter Cave on the topic of whether we can live better lives without religion.

    I've heard Brother Hamza speak before and Mashaa'Allah he is very educated and intelligent and he is doing a lot of good work to engage Non-Muslims in rational and respectful discourse about religion. We need more Muslims like him. May Allah reward him in abundance.

    This thread is primarily for discussion about the content of the video and not for our own arguments about the topic.

    Sure you can! You will probably have a great empty, lonely, Godless, materialistic life.......but wait there's more........Then you get to spend an eternaty in the lake of fire for denial of your creator..........But hey! you don't have to worry about shoveling snow of the driveway anymore.

    Bring your sunscrean spf 9000 it's hot down there!!

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    Re: Debate: Can We Live Better Lives Without Religion?

    Sure you can! You will probably have a great empty, lonely, Godless, materialistic life.......but wait there's more........Then you get to spend an eternaty in the lake of fire for denial of your creator..........But hey! you don't have to worry about shoveling snow of the driveway anymore.

    Bring your sunscrean spf 9000 it's hot down there!!

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    Re: Debate: Can We Live Better Lives Without Religion?

    MashAllah Brother Hamza is gifted. The fact is, The intellectuals in Islam have been hiding for too long. I know many Muslims, brother and sisters when you ask them what proof do you have that God exists? Why do you believe? What is your purpose? Majority do not really know the answer to these questions. Many give emotional responses. But the fact is, Islam is a religion which provokes you to reflect, to think, to ponder and to logically come to a conclusion. One thing missing in the world is people using their rational and logic.

    I believe that Hamza is at the forefront of the revival in the field of Islamica Philosophia.
    But the revival of Islam will need a holistic approach. Each expert in their own field reviving it to the standards of the golden Islamic era.


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