The Danger of Pornography series by Pyrrhic

format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar

Walaykum salaam warahmatullahi wabarakatuhu sister,

I was actually very intrigued by the statistics in part eight. Shows us exactly how bad the problem really is... Shocking.

Part eight extended is quite sad. It's true that kids today are exposed to things they should not be exposed to til much later on... I am not gonna send my kids to a regular school for sure... Either home schooling, or a good madrassa... that's what i'm thinking.

part 9 and both part tens rounded the series up nicely.

Scimi

Avoid public schools. They are part of the vast conspiracy to dumb down the masses and brainwash kids with a certain agenda. The government does not want free thinkers. The government wants good little robots that will do what they are told.

That's the short version of a much longer rant I have about this...

format_quote Originally Posted by ~Zaria~

I think we should always try to consider the position of one, standing in their shoes.
So, while all that has been said above, is true for the most part - surely this is not the case for everyone, and in all cases.

Assalamu alaikum, no, Sister, your shoes are too small for me. You have been personally harmed by this fitnah from the sister's perspective. However, I rather doubt that you ex-husband is pleased with himself and his falling into this trap. Think of the probable effect on his iman after letting himself be tempted into this abyss.

My concern is not for the men so much as it is for the boys. I strongly advise all parents to NEVER allow their children unsupervised access to the internet at home and to never allow their children to visit other such homes. My opinion is that addictions that began during the teenager years are extremely hard to break.

format_quote Originally Posted by CosmicPathos

I think about more than 95% of men today with access to internet watch porn.

I have extreme doubt regarding the validity of this statement.

format_quote Originally Posted by CosmicPathos

I think about more than 95% of men today with access to internet watch porn.

If this were the case, then truly women shouldnt even bother looking for a spouse.....

I personally dont think the stats are as high as this, but they are astonishing none the less.





I think much has been discussed about the prevalence, causes, hidden agendas and destructive nature of this 'disease' that has gripped so many men (and some women).

What about solutions?

Is it not our Duty to oppose and fight these types of fitnahs that are tearing our ummah apart?

Why do we not see our imams and local leaders (from other religions as well) putting up a front to this mass perversion?
Why do we not see parents and teachers and religious leaders take to the streets, demanding stricter regulations to access to this type of material - both on-line and over the counter?
Why do we not see the above mentioned, signing petitions - for a ban on cellphone porn......which is one of the easiest ways that kids access this type of material?

How many school-girls need to be gang-raped (on the school grounds, by their peers) - before we start addressing the root of this sexually perverse society?
How many marriages need to break down?


We can go on discussing such matters until we are blue in the face.......when are we going to get up and DO something about it - for the sake of this UMMAH?


Salaam

I don't know. I think pretty much every guy has watched porn at some point. I know that every guy I know personally has, including myself.

To be honest, it's become such a part of our culture that sometimes you don't even realize that you're watching it, because it doesn't bother you anymore. Turn on any regular TV channel and you're bound to see something at least "soft core" in an ad or a program. It might not be full-on nudity, but the sexual content is implied, and sometimes that can be more dangerous than if they showed everything (because it puts things in your head that you can't easily get rid of).

There are also certain myths about sex and relationships that are perpetrated by pornography, and this is the real danger. I know from my own experience that I am having to unlearn certain things and certain ideas about women and about relationships that were ingrained into my head because of pornography. This will take a long time, and until that time, I will continue to suffer because of it.

format_quote Originally Posted by CosmicPathos

Without downplaying the disgusting nature of porn, statements like above dont really help. Guys are at least openly admitting that they watch porn and derive pleasure from it. From there on the next step is to get rid of tolerance and dependance on porn.

1- They watch the very porn (assuming they are not homos) in which female pornstars act and participate with equal zeal.

What does that mean? Women are innocent? No. Guys can make a same statement that "I will never get married, but rather become a player, for marriage is not worth it as women are cheats and have baggage from past."

So such biased statements wont take us anywhere. We can sit here all day and write a whole thesis on men vs women.

2- I have had fair share of interacting and socializing and going out with females from times of my jahiliya. The very first myth that I had to discard during that time was my illusion which I had adopted from society that women are innocent beings, so pure, and so asexual. I have not seen any guys let other guys touch their privates to measure the size while socializing. On the contrary, I've been in company of women who were quite happy to talk about "measurements" of their privates with each other. I was just dumb founded but again it was my period of jahiliyah and I came to know many other "hidden" behavioral mysteries. These were not prostitutes, but well educated confident young university-going women. Again, yes, these were kaafir women but I doubt behaviors are any different among Muslim women. You only need to attend a wedding, I did attend segregated women section of Saudi weddding as a 12 year old with my mom, and if I look back, God, I do not have words to describe it.

Afterall, we must remember the story of Yusuf (as). It was a woman who attempted to seduce the young handsome prophet.

In the end, pious virgin women for pious virgin men, as Quran alludes to.

Anyways.

salaam.

p.s. as for stats "
Scientists studying the effects of pornography fell at the first hurdle - after failing to find a man who had not viewed X-rated material.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1ntsV15iO"

This is one of those myths that I was talking about, the myth that women are the pure virginal creatures and that men are insane sex-crazed lust monsters. I recently have discovered that this is not always the case. There are some women who like sex more than men do. Another forum (a non-Islamic forum) that I sometimes go to has many threads where women complain about having higher sex drives than their boyfriends/husbands.

It was a bit of a shock to learn that, as I grew up in a sheltered environment through my teens and early 20's. This education taught me that women are all shy and virginal, and us men have to control our raging sexual desires by any means necessary, so you can imagine my surprise when I learned that this is not always the case.

Just because a woman likes to have sexual relations a lot doesn't make her a ****, but that's what our society says. As long as it is with her husband, she should not feel ashamed about that. But some women are shamed into thinking that they are somehow worth less as a woman because they enjoy relations with a partner.

Contrarily, a dude who has a lot of relations with a lot of different women isn't any cooler or any better than a guy who waits until his wedding night, but again, that's not what our society says.

So there is a double standard when it comes to sexual attitudes between men and women, and this is further enhanced by pornography.

Different people have different needs and different desires. Not all women are virginal, and not all men are raging sex beasts. That doesn't make any one any better or any worse than anyone else, and it's time that people started to understand that.

format_quote Originally Posted by Tragic Typos

It seems like there is no practicable solution to this problem. For some men, it gives them relief. I shudder to think the lengths these men would go to satisfy their sexual appetite without pornography. Not that I support pornography, but even if pornography is stopped, the root cause of the problem still exists.

Banning pornography could have a similar effect to what happened in America when alcohol was banned.

Whoever is going to stop pornography, it will have to be done at a slow and steady pace, thinking about the consequence of each step taken. It is not something that is going to go away within minutes. There is a big demand for it.

Two words here: sex sells. This is the reason for all of those ads that have handsome shirtless men or attractive scantily-clad women. Everyone has those basic urges, and clever marketers have learned to cater to those urges and make a lot of money doing it.

This is the reason that pornography is such a problem, because it is a billion-dollar industry. Everyone wants sex to some degree, and everyone enjoys it to some degree, but nobody wants to admit it or talk about it. Pornography is legalized prostitution, really, and there is a reason why prostitution is known as "the world's oldest profession", because it caters to the most basic of human needs and desires: the need for companionship and physical intimacy.

Our society says that is OK to have a relationship that is solely based on physical intimacy, with no emotional or spiritual attachment. There are a lot of people that have such relationships simply for sexual purposes, because they are afraid of being alone. I myself have fallen victim to this lie at times in my own life. Physical intimacy is a basic human need, and there are many people who take an unhealthy advantage of this need.

The problem with that is that you must have all aspects to have a healthy relationship: physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual connection. Thus, there is no healthy relationship there. I've seen too many relationships that were based purely on physical attraction or lust, with no emotional, intellectual, or spiritual connection, and most if not all of these relationships eventually end badly.

I've seen my share of men and women who end up with emotional and sometimes behavioral issues because of relationships that were based solely on sex.

format_quote Originally Posted by CosmicPathos

p.s. as for stats "
Scientists studying the effects of pornography fell at the first hurdle - after failing to find a man who had not viewed X-rated material.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1ntsV15iO"

Assalamu-alaikum,

There is difference between those who have seen pornographic material at least once in his/ her life, and those who engage in this habitually, and as a means of self-gratification.

If I had been asked my these researchers whether or not I have ever seen such material - I would have to answer 'Yes' as well.
But do I go out seeking it as a means of personal satisfaction - No.

We should realise that this type of fitnah - that can develop into an addiction - occurs very passively.......all that one has to do, is LOOK. (vs. drinking alcohol, consuming drugs, etc.)
So, no doubt - the majority of us has seen porn - even if we did not go out in search of it - via on-line browsing and movies.

Also: not much info has been given - but its likely that there is a selection bias in this proposed study.
From which area were these men sampled (Los Vegas? lol). And only looking at men in their 20s?

If we had to sample men from Madinah, China, certain parts of Africa, e.g. - for various reasons, I doubt that the stats will be as high.


With regards to women and porn:

Yes, women are the root of this problem......if all women across the globe refused to strip for cameras, then problem solved.
But, as there will always be a consumer for this industry - so too, there will always be a supplier (at least until Isa (as) arrives, insha Allah)........





In either case - we all realise there is a problem......if this was an infectious outbreak - then we are at Pandemic levels.
We agree.

Now we need solutions.
As brother Scimi mentioned, as muslims - our solution lies in taqwa and fear in Allah (subhanawataála).

But what about the rest?
How do we protect our kids from this?
The psychological impact of this, has far more lasting consequences on the young, developing mind.

In 2010, the minister of Home Affairs in South Africa proposed a ban on on-line porn (esp. that over cellphones).

http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/b...igaba-1.485476


Unfortunately, not much has come of this.

In fact, in keeping with a society devoid of any sense of ultimate accountability or morals - just its suggestion, was met with unbelievable protest:

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/236273-Internet-porn-ban-in-South-Africa



.......I need to find that cave soon, insha Allah.......



Salaam


Ps. has there been any similiar endeavours in other countries?
Would love to hear these, insha Allah.

Asalam-0-Alekum,
Thankyou every one who are raising this issue and asking questions on this topic. First i want to thanks Brother Scimitar who support me and post it here... Allah give him reward inshallah... Thanyou Scimitar, Who am i?, MustafaMc, Abz2000, luv4Allah, Zaria, SFatima, SaneFellow, Cosmicontuition, Silent Blade, Cosmicpathos, Galaxy, TrueStranger, Tragic Typos,Before i start talking about the solution i first want to tell you that Pornography is a weapon to dehumanize... Infact if you search about satanism and their rituals.... you will find that Pornography is a ritual, the audiance when watch that pornography....the ritual circle increase its size....spread more and more according to the number of viewers... forexample.. If i am watching Tuaf around the Kabba, or listning to Quran Verses... I have an impact on my soul, mind and body... In part 3 extented we discuss in the end about Child prostitution CIA and Satanism... I need your good advices and please correct me where you found me wrong... please share more information on this topic... I think enough is enough We have to save our genration from this Fitnah... If today we will stand then Tomarrow our Genration will be safe... Inshallah and Inshallah Our Genration will bring peace in this world... And will stand with Imam e Mehndi Elah salam... there will be peace and love in all over the world.... Asalam-0-Alekum .... Pyrrhic Victory...

Part 3 extended...

Mashallah brother Abz2000 well said and well define... But there is still we need detial about the answers for example....
pornography dont harm any one these are the fantasies... Its on people how they take different things...
In part 9 in first 50 seconds there is a better answer....



From part 9 pyrrhic series...
"Fantasy has a tendency to remake the world in its own image. So the harmless porn voyeur can turn into a rapist with a gun. For his fantasy is governed by mostrous myths and illusions "that women wish to be raped? that children are waiting to be awakened to sexual pleasure? or that violence is a natural right????"

Now the second thing you have said"I'm pretty certain that porn pushers don't take their mothers and daughters to participate in prostitution on video - then again some of them are sick in the head and might even do it!"thats right... But our inocent children who dont have knowledge about these things they easily become prey of these kind of open minded or liberalism.... Unfortunate we did nothing to provide a safe future for our next genration... Allah show us the right path... But i need more debate on this topic... As brother Abz2000 Mashallah explains... I need every one to hear from them... say repetitive things if you dont have....but atleast share some thing....regarding this topic...ask questions...i am working on the last part "Solution of this fitnah" inshallah...but before that i need more and more knowledge regarding this fitnah...May be some one little advice or sharing can change many people life....so please share it from the start..what you think what is pornography? it dont harm any one its just an illusion or fantasies... Its all depend on the people how they use... its a human expression...its in every one...be liberal be open minded... prove its wrong by any scientific proof....etc....