We Will Never Unite With The Rafidah - Shaykh Ahmad Musa Jibril

format_quote Originally Posted by Zeal

So salafis are deviants?Lol anyway there's extremism of every kind(on two opposite ends) there also you can claim to be ashari and deviant, matuirdi and deviant etc etc.There has to be a standard for which a muslim can call others deviants and any odd laymen shouldn't be doing that for sure.Lastly, don't go to a salafi website to see ahmads musa jibrils views see them yourself People twist, shape and distort alot of things even when it comes to the works of classical scholars like ibn taymiyyah ra many things can be taken out of contextSalam

I don' like this 'deviation' word for Muslims. I think All Muslims are on haq; but who's really on haq will be decided on judgement day. I don't listen to scholars but only a few. If any scholar call other Muslims or groups as deviant day and night can't be a good Muslim. Those scholars who appeal the Muslims to be united and are on the job, are praiseworthy. If fatwas of all sects against each other are accepted then none is going into paradise

format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto

We must avoid generalization. Just because there are rapist and murderer among Shia, doesn't mean all Shia are rapist and murderer. If we fall into generalization, then we might do injustice toward Shia who don't do something wrong toward other people.

That´s true. Also, among of Sunnis have rapists and murderers. Does that mean that all Sunnis are bad and Sunni belief is evil?

format_quote Originally Posted by Zeal

“Verily the strongest handhold of faith is that you love for the sake
of Allah and that you hate for the sake of Allah.”*[Ahmad 4/286, authentic]

Out of context phrase does not tell to you what it is meant to refers to. By this sentence we could justify love and hate to what ever matter we like and how ever we like.

format_quote Originally Posted by Zeal

“Verily the strongest handhold of faith is that you love for the sakeof Allah and that you hate for the sake of Allah.”*[Ahmad 4/286, authentic]

extremely difficult to practice upon this hadith. Despite all my efforts I couldn't follow this hadith. and Allah swt knows what is in our heart and what is on our tongue

format_quote Originally Posted by azc

extremely difficult to practice upon this hadith. Despite all my efforts I couldn't follow this hadith. and Allah swt knows what is in our heart and what is on our tongue

What it seems you're trying to say is that, "Hey, this Hadeeth is too difficult for Me to act on, so let's just throw it out. Pretend it doesn't exist."

Maybe that's not what you mean, but it's what it seems like.

Another thing: I regard the Saudi government as a Kaafir government, because I regard the king as a Taaghoot. So, you need to stop linking me with the "Palace scholars" of Saudi. I have no "king".

I am telling you that 14 centuries of `Ulamaa-e-Haqq have unanimously declared enmity towards the Shi`as. Not one `Aalim from those 14 centuries of true Islaamic scholarship ever called for unity with the Raafidhah. Unity with the Raafidhah is a newly invented 21st century belief. All newly invented beliefs are Baatil. The Deen of Islaam was completed 14 centuries ago. It didn't get completed in the 14th century. Also, we don't accept any additions, subtractions or alterations to that Deen which was perfected by Allaah Ta`aalaa 14 centuries ago. Once something becomes perfect, you do not add to it, or subtract from it, or alter anything of it. If you do so, then you action implies that you do not regard it as being perfect, because something that is perfect does not get changed. If it needs to be changed, it isn't perfect. So whoever regards the Deen as having not been perfected already 14 centuries ago has rejected the Qur'aan, because that is what Allaah Ta`aalaa says in the Qur'aan. And whoever rejects the Qur'aan is a Kaafir.

Look how ridiculous this whole situation is. I am telling you what the `Ulamaa for 1,400 years have been saying, generation after generation after generation, and I'm regarded as the "stranger" who's spreading some weird views no one's heard about. Meanwhile, the ones who are actually spreading weird views which only originated in this belated 21st century, they are regarded as the ones spreading the true Islaam. What a joke. If you had studied the true history of Islaam in totality, you would laugh at it.

The people calling for unity with the Raafidhah are calling for a version of Islaam OTHER than what the Salaf of this Ummah were upon. Say it as it is. No beating around the bush.

format_quote Originally Posted by azc

You are too harsh.... Kafir, taghut..??? Sheer bunkum. You could phrase in a healthy way. Work on your akhlaq. I dislike their ruling class too, but I try to follow Islamic ettiqutes.

What is your definition of "phrasing it in a healthy way"? Most likely, what you mean by that is, "You can beat around the bush and not call a spade a spade." I never do that, and never will. It's foolish. It wastes time and confuses things. Rather, be frank and straightforward always. If something is Haraam, say "This is Haraam." Don't say, "This is, sort of, something that, maybe, possibly, isn't 100% permissible, and it's like, not Very good to do, and it's sort of better if a person were to not always do it, but that's just what I feel, and I'm not judging anyone."

What's the need to make such spineless statements? It wastes the time of the reader. Cut to the chase. Let me ask you something: Say you're in a room with someone. There are a bunch of bottles with maybe water or juice inside, and one particular bottle has poison in (hypothetical situation here). This friend of yours - unknowingly - picks up the bottle of poison and is about to drink it up. What are you going to do? Are you going to make a bunch of long-winded statements about why it's better if the person rather doesn't drink all of it, or are you just going to be straightforward and say, "Hey, don't drink that! It's poison."

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The `Ulamaa have to clearly come out and say what is Haraam and what is Kufr so that people can avoid it. That's their duty. Haraam and Kufr is infinitely worse than poison. Poison only harms a person in this life, whereas Kufr destroys their Aakhirah forever. So which is more dangerous? Then, when it comes to something as dangerous as Kufr, there's no room for playing around. You only play around when you take the Deen as a joke. You don't take it seriously. You don't Really believe in it.

People should be honest with themselves. When it comes to saving a person from some worldly harm, like throwing them out of the way of a speeding car, they'll praise a person who does that despite the force he used to get the job done. He threw them out of the way. He didn't stand around speaking in a long-winded way about the harms of standing in the way of an oncoming car driving at full speed. In fact, they'd call him crazy if he did that. They'd say do what needs to be done to get the person out of the way and out of danger. So then why do they not feel the same when it comes to getting the person out of the way of Kufr, out of the way of Jahannam? The `Ulamaa know that this particular action leads to Jahannam, so they tell people, "This is Kufr! Stay away from this!"

The only people who will get upset when hearing that are people who don't truly believe in Jahannam. If they truly believed in Jahannam, they'd appreciate being saved from it.

How foolish is Insaan...