We Will Never Unite With The Rafidah - Shaykh Ahmad Musa Jibril

If you listen to the talk I posted of Shaykh Ahmad Jibril, he says inside there - and I'm paraphrasing here - "We didn't tell anyone to go out and start killing Shi`as at random." He didn't say that. We said - and we make it very clear - that we will Never ever have unity with them. We don't want unity with them. Ask any normal man, "If someone calls your mother a prostitute, will you be friends with him?" He'll tell you, "Never ever. If someone said something like that, I'd {insert threat here}." That's a fact. He doesn't want friendship with someone who refers to his mother as a prostitute. So how can any Muslim want friendship with a Shi`a when that is what they say about the Mother of the Believers, Hadhrat `Aa'ishah رضي الله عنها? The wife of Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم? It is a compounded insult, because if the wife of a man is a prostitute, then by him being married to her, he is a Dayyooth (cuckold). How can you EVER have friendship or unity with Shi`as? Never ever. We hate them. We despite them. To hate and despise them is good, because they hate and despite Allaah Ta`aalaa, and Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم, and the Sahaabah.

This concept of: "Love all, hate none." Is not part of Islaam. It was invented by the likes of Gandhi. Islaam never taught that. The issue of "Al-Bughdhu fillaah" (Hating for the Sake of Allaah) is linked to Tawheed itself. It is taught in the very first lessons on Tawheed, along with al-Walaa wal-Baraa (Alliance and Disavowal). These are fundamental aspects of Islaam.

Nabi Ibraaheem عليه السلام said to the Mushrikeen when they refused to accept Tawheed:

قَدْ كَانَتْ لَكُمْ أُسْوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ فِي إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ إِذْ قَالُوا لِقَوْمِهِمْ إِنَّا بُرَآءُ مِنْكُمْ وَمِمَّا تَعْبُدُونَ مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ كَفَرْنَا بِكُمْ وَبَدَا بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَكُمُ الْعَدَاوَةُ وَالْبَغْضَاءُ أَبَدًا حَتَّى تُؤْمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَحْدَهُ

"There is indeed an excellent example for you in Ibraaheem and those with him, when they said to their people: "Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allaah; we have rejected you, and there has started between us and you enmity and hatred forever until you believe in Allaah Alone..." [Soorah al-Mumtahinah, 60:4]

What is this then?? What happened to "Love all, hate none"??

"Love all, hate none" has never been something any Nabi ever propagated.

Now, the funny thing is that despite having an absolutely clear-cut Aayat like this, the modernist "Mozlems" will still pull their hair and teeth out trying to interpret it to mean something - Anything - other than what it actually means and is saying. But what's funnier than that is that no Kaafir who reads their excuses falls for it. The Kuffaar who read the apologies of these apologists mock them for it and know very well that they're talking trash. The Aayaat are crystal clear. No matter how hard they try to make Islaam into a pacifist, Gandhi religion, it is not and will never be.

والسلام

format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam

If you listen to the talk I posted of Shaykh Ahmad Jibril, he says inside there - and I'm paraphrasing here - "We didn't tell anyone to go out and start killing Shi`as at random." He didn't say that. We said - and we make it very clear - that we will Never ever have unity with them. We don't want unity with them. Ask any normal man, "If someone calls your mother a prostitute, will you be friends with him?" He'll tell you, "Never ever. If someone said something like that, I'd {insert threat here}." That's a fact. He doesn't want friendship with someone who refers to his mother as a prostitute. So how can any Muslim want friendship with a Shi`a when that is what they say about the Mother of the Believers, Hadhrat `Aa'ishah رضي الله عنها? The wife of Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم? It is a compounded insult, because if the wife of a man is a prostitute, then by him being married to her, he is a Dayyooth (cuckold). How can you EVER have friendship or unity with Shi`as? Never ever. We hate them. We despite them. To hate and despise them is good, because they hate and despite Allaah Ta`aalaa, and Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم, and the Sahaabah.

This concept of: "Love all, hate none." Is not part of Islaam. It was invented by the likes of Gandhi. Islaam never taught that. The issue of "Al-Bughdhu fillaah" (Hating for the Sake of Allaah) is linked to Tawheed itself. It is taught in the very first lessons on Tawheed, along with al-Walaa wal-Baraa (Alliance and Disavowal). These are fundamental aspects of Islaam.

Nabi Ibraaheem عليه السلام said to the Mushrikeen when they refused to accept Tawheed:

قَدْ كَانَتْ لَكُمْ أُسْوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ فِي إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ إِذْ قَالُوا لِقَوْمِهِمْ إِنَّا بُرَآءُ مِنْكُمْ وَمِمَّا تَعْبُدُونَ مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ كَفَرْنَا بِكُمْ وَبَدَا بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَكُمُ الْعَدَاوَةُ وَالْبَغْضَاءُ أَبَدًا حَتَّى تُؤْمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَحْدَهُ

"There is indeed an excellent example for you in Ibraaheem and those with him, when they said to their people: "Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allaah; we have rejected you, and there has started between us and you enmity and hatred forever until you believe in Allaah Alone..." [Soorah al-Mumtahinah, 60:4]

What is this then?? What happened to "Love all, hate none"??

"Love all, hate none" has never been something any Nabi ever propagated.

Now, the funny thing is that despite having an absolutely clear-cut Aayat like this, the modernist "Mozlems" will still pull their hair and teeth out trying to interpret it to mean something - Anything - other than what it actually means and is saying. But what's funnier than that is that no Kaafir who reads their excuses falls for it. The Kuffaar who read the apologies of these apologists mock them for it and know very well that they're talking trash. The Aayaat are crystal clear. No matter how hard they try to make Islaam into a pacifist, Gandhi religion, it is not and will never be.

والسلام

I want to ask a question in regards to Hating for the Sake of Allah. I have no doubt that it is good for us, to protect us by having enmity towards it (you will never ever fall for something you have extreme enmity for)

But what about the average kafir? I hate the shias, because of their beliefs. But what about the normal kafir joe?

I mean, correct me if i am wrong:

Show enmity and hatred towards those who show hatred - do not want to listen or change.

my hatred for someone is dependent upon their level of kufr, and enmity towards Islam. So an militant kafir who wants to go to war against Islam, I hate more, than the average joe.

However, there are kafirs where I hate their stance and kufr, but as for their personality - I do not hate, nor do I love. If it goes against Islamic standards, I dislike it, but I don't hate them completely. I hate someone based on their disobedience, and kufr. As for the kufr, I hate it completely, however, the person himself? depends on how engrossed in Kufr he is.

Say Abu Talib (the uncle of The Prophet Muhammad SAW) I don't hate him, but I dislike and hate that he didn't join Islam. as opposed to Abu Lahab, whom I hate altogether, completely.

Is my approach Islamic?

Assalamu alaykum,

I can't say I've ever agreed with the beliefs of Shia Muslims, and nor do I particularly like some of their practices, but there is a vast difference between warning others of falling into wrongdoing and then spreading hatred regarding that group.

Even with non-believers, we do not hate them, yes, we hate their sin and their disbelief, but we don't hate them as individuals. Whilst someone is alive, up until they take their last breath, they have a chance of turning to the right path and accepting Islam. By hating them and wanting nothing to do with them, we're turning them away from the deen, and decreasing their chances of coming to the right path.

In a community, we heard of someone who was Shia who came to Sunni Islam. They spent their whole lives living with everyone, and yes they did have some heated debates and arguments, but on the whole they were treated with respect and eventually came to the haqq. Alhamdulillah. Now if they'd been turned away or shunned by the community, this would never have happened.

I agree with sis noraina. Wise words sister but unfortunately I don´t see end for this kind of discussions. As far as they warn us about wrong ways to believe its ok but when it turns to simple racism against some group of individuals, it only spreads hate and increses hate.

format_quote Originally Posted by islamdude

If someone commits adultery with your own mother...you would not hate that person? Really?

What this matter has to do with this thread anyways? My mother is 84 years old Christian lady and I have no idea if she has ever committed adultery with anyone. If yes, hers sexual life is hers private matter and it doesn´t belongs to me at all and definitely not to you in this discussion. Maybe we can leave my mother out from kind of discussion.

format_quote Originally Posted by islamdude

How can someone be a racist if he hates evil people?

Hating evil people is one thing. Spreading hate against ordinary individuals and claiming that all members of some group are automaticly same, similar and collectivily guilty for crimes which some others from their group have done, is racism.

I'll just leave this here:



Qur'an 49:13

Scimi

format_quote Originally Posted by islamdude

That's what Christians would say, but trust me they do hate. Aren't you a hypocrite now?

Do they hate us more than other groups?



Qur'an 5:82

Scimi

format_quote Originally Posted by islamdude

May Allah guide you. You are misguided

I don't think she is misguided, rather, you are reading black and white while she is showing you a colouring book - if the analogy goes over your head, the shortcoming is yours, not hers nor mine.

So you are the who is left wanting.

Also... You missed one of my posts, which I replied to you in.

Scimi

I understand to hate kufr and the people of kufr according to their kufr.

But say my teachers, they are non muslims, they teach me, if I was to carry hatred towards them, I would not be where I am today.

When confronting the kuffar, we should hate their kufr, but how can we hate them, when we may not even know them? It just sounds presumptuous to hate someone based on their appearances and their beliefs. I go case by case.

We shouldn't hate every kafir, we hate their kufr, and according to their level of disobedience.

This premise of hating all kafirs just because they are kafirs lies on the premise that ALL kafirs are EQUALLY aware and fully aware of what they are doing, completely. To confront people like that, is presumptuous. Since afaik it is not true.

Allahu alam.