We Will Never Unite With The Rafidah - Shaykh Ahmad Musa Jibril

It is like uniting with rapists or murderers. In a way. Who said we should unite anyway?

Allahu alam.

Who likes Rafidhis here...? I think, none. So what does it make sense to listen such lectures...? Listening these lectures increase intensity of hatred in our hearts against others. Let alone filthy rafidhis, other day you can see the lectures against sufis or barelvis or asha'ari or maturidis. They are on the mission to keep the rift between Muslims by criticising other groups of this ummah. It appears that the televengalists are funded with chunk of money. We are in delusion. RasulAllah s.a.w came to unite all the people on Islam without criticising kuffar, He (s.a.w) accepted even munafiqin as Muslims.why..? Lest the unity of the ummah be scattered........ We forget that Islam teaches us trying to have unity even with ahlul kitab let alone intra-groups of this ummah ''Qul ya ahlal kitabi ta'alo ila kalimatin sawaa'im baynana wa baynakum...'' (ale imran #64). .......... I don't like rafidhis at all but please stop taking interest in this hatred-shopping....... Think for a moment: Do these televengalist ever ask their kings why they are silent on killing of the innocent Muslims and rape incidents with our sisters in their neighbourhood...????

Hate increases hate. We should try to grow out of it.

This disunity is the reason why the ummah is in the state that it is in.....the kuffar will continue to dominate the Earth so long as we are busy killing each other, while they are busy working together. and besides, what about the Saudi oppression of Shia? What about the sunni elite oppression of shia in Bahrain? what about the so-called, "moderate" Islamist rebel groups in Syria, who rape "rafidah" women? what about ISIS and al-Qaeda raping "rafidah women" and oppressing shia? just because some shias oppress sunnis, does not mean all shias are bad, and just because some sunnis oppress shias, does not mean all sunnis are bad....

format_quote Originally Posted by azc

crime is crime. It can't be justified.

It can´t be justified, just same who made the crime.

Muslims do not unite with Kufr. It's as simple as that. They are not a group from the Ummah, the Shi`as. They are Satanists. Just as Muslims cannot unite with Satanists, they cannot unite with Shi`as.

There is only one way of following Islaam, and that is to follow it the way the Sahaabah-e-Kiraam, the Salaf of this Ummah, had followed it. And, the methodology of the Salaf of this Ummah was to never ever unite with Baatil. During the time of the Salaf, the Shi`as existed, and so did the Khawaarij, Jahmiyyah, Jabariyyah, Qadariyyah, Mu`tazilah, Mu`attilah, etc. the Salaf never ever called for unity with them.

So it's a simple matter of, those calling for unity in these days are opposing the Deen as it was followed by the Sahaabah. And if you are not following Islaam the way Sahaabah followed it, then you aren't following Islaam at all. Then you may as well pray in a church and wear a cross.

Another thing:

Shaykh Ahmad Jibril does not live in Saudi. He has been arrested multiple times and spent years of his life in jail. He is an enemy of the Saudi government. So, there is no "king" he must ask anything to. His stance towards all of the current so-called "Islaamic" governments in the world is well-known.

There is a saying, among the Egyptians:

مش لازم تقول كل اللي عارفه بس لامز تعرف كل اللي تقوله

"It is not necessary to speak everything you know, but it is necessary to know everything that you speak."

I put the rafida in the same camp as the rest who make fun of our deen, our prophet pbuh, our sahabi RA etc.

These trouble makers lack spiritual insight, and being materially inclined whilst posing as "spiritualists" puts them in the "lost Property" section, for me anyway

Scimi

Rapists and murderers are human beings as well. So why lock them up, then? Embrace them. Have unity with them. No more locking up of rapists and murderers. Let them come live by you.

Objectively speaking, having shias teach our kids "Islam" is bad. Similarily to how you wouldn't want a gang of thugs who kill for fun and rape children to teach your family/children. What I mean, objectively, looking at the shiah group, you would see that they disbelieve in the Quran by saying that it is incomplete, they hate the sahabahs r.a. (I am speaking of them as a group)

Would you want someone who taught you to kill as being good, and being good as evil?

Anyways, sometimes, being human is not an excuse to what one is doing. Nor is ignorance. But tbh, I don't really know what the Islamic approach would be, but in my hearts of hearts, I can not tolerate someone who berates and insults the Prophet :saw: or Islam.

I welcome sane arguementative discussions, but discussions that is based on lashing and emotions, is not good for either of us.

Even a disbeliever / kafir who knows about Islam, would know that the shia / rafidhah group has in no way, shape or form, anything to do with Islam.

Allahu alam.

format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto

We must avoid generalization. Just because there are rapist and murderer among Shia, doesn't mean all Shia are rapist and murderer. If we fall into generalization, then we might do injustice toward Shia who don't do something wrong toward other people.

You didn't understand my post, akhi.

format_quote Originally Posted by Zeal

Salahuddin ayyubi (ra) never united with the shia for a reasonAnd success came to him

ONLY Hz Muhammad s.a.w is the ideal for all Muslims... Unity doesn't mean ''befriend them', rather trying to have 'peace' between us and them and keep your personal thoughts, mythology within your sects and refrain from attacking or slandering each other

format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam

Muslims do not unite with Kufr. It's as simple as that. They are not a group from the Ummah, the Shi`as. They are Satanists. Just as Muslims cannot unite with Satanists, they cannot unite with Shi`as.There is only one way of following Islaam, and that is to follow it the way the Sahaabah-e-Kiraam, the Salaf of this Ummah, had followed it. And, the methodology of the Salaf of this Ummah was to never ever unite with Baatil. During the time of the Salaf, the Shi`as existed, and so did the Khawaarij, Jahmiyyah, Jabariyyah, Qadariyyah, Mu`tazilah, Mu`attilah, etc. the Salaf never ever called for unity with them.So it's a simple matter of, those calling for unity in these days are opposing the Deen as it was followed by the Sahaabah. And if you are not following Islaam the way Sahaabah followed it, then you aren't following Islaam at all. Then you may as well pray in a church and wear a cross.

it shows that you keep grudge in your heart for your opponents. Let alone shias even you have tried to prove sh tariq jamil ha as deviant... Muslim who doesn't follow your iedeology is your enemy. Stop this hatred business. Ask your scholars why shias are allowed to perform hajj...?

format_quote Originally Posted by Serinity

Objectively speaking, having shias teach our kids "Islam" is bad. Similarily to how you wouldn't want a gang of thugs who kill for fun and rape children to teach your family/children. What I mean, objectively, looking at the shiah group, you would see that they disbelieve in the Quran by saying that it is incomplete, they hate the sahabahs r.a. (I am speaking of them as a group)Would you want someone who taught you to kill as being good, and being good as evil? Anyways, sometimes, being human is not an excuse to what one is doing. Nor is ignorance. But tbh, I don't really know what the Islamic approach would be, but in my hearts of hearts, I can not tolerate someone who berates and insults the Prophet :saw: or Islam.I welcome sane arguementative discussions, but discussions that is based on lashing and emotions, is not good for either of us.Even a disbeliever / kafir who knows about Islam, would know that the shia / rafidhah group has in no way, shape or form, anything to do with Islam. Allahu alam.

I dislike shias, even I dislike to talk to them but I'm against this hatred business which some scholars deal in and provoke common Muslims to waste their energy on spreading hatred. Invest your energy in constructive work..... Asad is a shia, what he is doing against sunni Muslims why these scholars don't ask their rulers to protect them or if their rulers don't support them then why these scholars don't come forward to support the innocent Muslims.?