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    Mawlid. Where is your intellect?

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    Re: Mawlid. Where is your intellect?

    Mr Shaykh speaking on the video, broke the first rule of 'adab' which is, to assume the best of Muslims. Hasn ad-dhan

    From my own experience of having been in dozens of different Mosques, its rarely people will exchange salaams when they're busy in zikr or tilaWah or quietly waiting for salah. It's usually before a salah starts and when people are pouring in, thats when the odd salam is exchanged

    But our intellectual brother immediately thought that no one gave him salam because they hated him for being black
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    Re: Mawlid. Where is your intellect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed. View Post
    Mr Shaykh speaking on the video, broke the first rule of 'adab' which is, to assume the best of Muslims. Hasn ad-dhan

    From my own experience of having been in dozens of different Mosques, its rarely people will exchange salaams when they're busy in zikr or tilaWah or quietly waiting for salah. It's usually before a salah starts and when people are pouring in, thats when the odd salam is exchanged

    But our intellectual brother immediately thought that no one gave him salam because they hated him for being black
    That's the only thing you took from the video?
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    Re: Mawlid. Where is your intellect?

    To be fair though people rarely give salams it's one of the signs of the hour. Allahu alim the motivation but this is standard across the board from what I've seen
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    Re: Mawlid. Where is your intellect?

    May be it will benefit you if you could take the time to listen to the video.
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    Re: Mawlid. Where is your intellect?

    Quote Originally Posted by eesa the kiwi View Post
    A reminder

    https://youtu.be/unBsGlfspVk

    Please don't comment if you didnt watch the video.

    Yaa Ummah of Muhammad! Where are your Intellects? - Shaykh Abu Usamah - YouTube
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    Thanks for sharing. It’s beautiful reminder, unfortunately many will still not use their intellect. Allah guides and gives the understanding of His religion whom He wills.

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    Re: Mawlid. Where is your intellect?

    Quote Originally Posted by eesa the kiwi View Post
    That's the only thing you took from the video?
    No, but I mean if he's stumbled intellectually at the first hurdle, then how can we trust that he's got the intellect regarding mawlid and not the mawlid supporters?
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    Re: Mawlid. Where is your intellect?

    https://islamqa.org/hanafi/seekersguidance-hanafi/32228

    Innovation (Bid`a) and Celebrating the Prophet’s Birthday (Mawlid) - IslamQA
    Innovation (Bid`a) and Celebrating the Prophet’s Birthday (Mawlid)...

    Innovation (Bid`a) and Celebrating the Prophet’s Birthday (Mawlid) - IslamQA
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    Re: Mawlid. Where is your intellect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed. View Post
    https://islamqa.org/hanafi/seekersguidance-hanafi/32228

    Innovation (Bid`a) and Celebrating the Prophet’s Birthday (Mawlid) - IslamQA
    Innovation (Bid`a) and Celebrating the Prophet’s Birthday (Mawlid)...

    Innovation (Bid`a) and Celebrating the Prophet’s Birthday (Mawlid) - IslamQA
    Innovation (Bid`a) and Celebrating the Prophet’s Birthday (Mawlid)...
    https://islamqa.org/hanafi/askimam/11909

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    Re: Mawlid. Where is your intellect?

    Quote Originally Posted by bint e aisha View Post
    The deobandis prohibit it because of bidah things done during mawlid and not the mawlid itself.

    Here's an explanation of the deobandi position :

    The position of the Deobandi Ulama is that, not only is it permissible to have a gathering of Mawlid, rather it is an act of great virtue, as long as the gathering is free from the unlawful or reprehensible activities, such as free intermingling of the sexes, excessive wasteful spending, fixing of a particular date, etc, and it is not held to be something necessary to do such that those who choose not to participate are considered to be in the wrong.

    The above is the Deobandi viewpoint and it would be inappropriate to force it upon them that they totally reject having gatherings of Mawlid.

    https://islamqa.org/hanafi/daruliftaa/8579
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    Re: Mawlid. Where is your intellect?

    http://masud.co.uk/the-mawlid-the-conservative-view/

    The Mawlid: The Conservative View | masud.co.uk
    The scholars' case is very clear. The celebration of the Holy Prophet's birthday, an event of unique importance in mankind's religious history, is classed as a...

    The Mawlid: The Conservative View | masud.co.uk
    The scholars' case is very clear. The celebration of the Holy Prophet's birthday, an event of unique importance in mankind's religious history, is classed as a...
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    Re: Mawlid. Where is your intellect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed. View Post
    No, but I mean if he's stumbled intellectually at the first hurdle, then how can we trust that he's got the intellect regarding mawlid and not the mawlid supporters?
    Maybe it's good you blind follow and dont think for yourself if this is your mental capacity to think

    Seriously dude watch the video
    Mawlid. Where is your intellect?

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    Re: Mawlid. Where is your intellect?

    Quote Originally Posted by eesa the kiwi View Post
    Maybe it's good you blind follow and dont think for yourself if this is your mental capacity to think

    Seriously dude watch the video
    I've seen it brother and I just thought out of respect for him I'll just point out 1 flaw.... There's plenty of others too

    Now here's a REAL intellectual piece on The concept and classification of Bid'a in Islam:

    https://islamqa.org/hanafi/daruliftaa/8514

    The concept and classification of Bid'a in Islam. - IslamQA
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    Re: Mawlid. Where is your intellect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed. View Post
    I've seen it brother and I just thought out of respect for him I'll just point out 1 flaw.... There's plenty of others too

    Now here's a REAL intellectual piece on The concept and classification of Bid'a in Islam:

    https://islamqa.org/hanafi/daruliftaa/8514

    The concept and classification of Bid'a in Islam. - IslamQA
    The concept and classification of Bid’a in Islam....

    Point out the other flaws then

    Dont bring me this you blind follow so you have no place telling me what a stronger position according to you is

    You dont have the capability to discuss these things according to you so be quiet and let the grown ups discuss
    Mawlid. Where is your intellect?

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    Re: Mawlid. Where is your intellect?

    Quote Originally Posted by eesa the kiwi View Post
    Point out the other flaws then

    Dont bring me this you blind follow so you have no place telling me what a stronger position according to you is

    You dont have the capability to discuss these things according to you so be quiet and let the grown ups discuss
    Reason why I've been reluctant to point out other flaws is because I'll have to lambaste our super intellectual Shaykh

    When great Scholars like Imam Ash Shafi, Imam an-Nawawi, etc etc hold the view that bida-e-hasana is part of Islam, the very title of the video is insulting towards these great scholars. Insults and bad opinion of fellow Muslims stems from ignorance.... So it's very laughable that he implies he's using his intellect
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    Re: Mawlid. Where is your intellect?

    Proof of Bid’a Hasana:

    https://www.islamieducation.com/the-...idah-in-islam/

    The Concept of Bida'h in Islam - IslamiEducation
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    The Concept of Bida'h in Islam - IslamiEducation
    Seeking Knowledge is Obligatory Upon Every Muslim...
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    Re: Mawlid. Where is your intellect?

    Where blind following leads
    Mawlid. Where is your intellect?

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    Re: Mawlid. Where is your intellect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed. View Post
    Proof of Bid’a Hasana:

    https://www.islamieducation.com/the-...idah-in-islam/

    The Concept of Bida'h in Islam - IslamiEducation
    Seeking Knowledge is Obligatory Upon Every Muslim...

    The Concept of Bida'h in Islam - IslamiEducation
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    Here is the speech from Maulana Makki Alhijazi, who is deubandi and is categorically calling celebration of Prophet Muhammad PBUH’d birthday as Bid’a.
    https://youtu.be/o1VknXPeQeA

    Below is another link of Dr. Farhat Hashim, another Hanafi female scholar and she has also called this innovation.

    https://youtu.be/Zzzer7lQfNw

    Now even if we go by hanafi scholars, it is clear that their opinion agrees with the opinion of Sheikh you are criticizing, may be because he is not hanafi?

    In every Jumma Khutba we hear that every Innovation ( good & bad) is misguidance and leads to hell fire. We better hold the Quran and sunnah instead of believing so called scholars who focus on madhab alone and go to every extreme just to defend their madhab even if it means to reject Sahih Hadith. We had enough discussion on madhab issue and it’s your choice to follow Islam in a way prophet PBUH taught us or in your imam’s way.
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    Re: Mawlid. Where is your intellect?

    Quote Originally Posted by HabibUrrehman View Post
    Here is the speech from Maulana Makki Alhijazi, who is deubandi and is categorically calling celebration of Prophet Muhammad PBUH’d birthday as Bid’a.
    https://youtu.be/o1VknXPeQeA

    Below is another link of Dr. Farhat Hashim, another Hanafi female scholar and she has also called this innovation.

    https://youtu.be/Zzzer7lQfNw

    Now even if we go by hanafi scholars, it is clear that their opinion agrees with the opinion of Sheikh you are criticizing, may be because he is not hanafi?

    In every Jumma Khutba we hear that every Innovation ( good & bad) is misguidance and leads to hell fire. We better hold the Quran and sunnah instead of believing so called scholars who focus on madhab alone and go to every extreme just to defend their madhab even if it means to reject Sahih Hadith. We had enough discussion on madhab issue and it’s your choice to follow Islam in a way prophet PBUH taught us or in your imam’s way.
    When the deobandi scholars say its 'bida' they either don't understand fully in what way they consider it bida or they mean there is bidah done in some mawlid (like free mixing) celebrations so that's why they prohibit it

    They're either using the 'laymen terminologies' (I. E. They don't bother using all the more detailed reasons why they prohibit it as it may confuse laymen, or either some of the deobandi scholars havnt learnt the nitty gritty reasons why themselves.

    See my above link to bint Aisha. That explains that deobandis prohibit it due to bidah done in mawlid and they don't regard the mawlid itself to be bidah

    Deobandis infact consider the mawlid to be mubah (allowed) so they think a mubah action should be prohibited if it is accompanied by bidah.

    The vast majority of the ahlus Sunnah scholars allow mawlid and the imperative reason that we need this in this day and age to rekindle light of iman in us when iman and 'amal are at an all time low makes sense to me

    See:

    https://www.deoband.org/2010/02/fiqh...d-hanafi-fiqh/

    And anyway, let's say for example there is a valid view that the mawlid itself is bidah, even in this case, we do not condemn those who hold it valid as differences of opinion in fiqh is not condemned

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    Re: Mawlid. Where is your intellect?

    From above link


    Mawlid, Deoband and Hanafi fiqh

    The first type of gathering is that which does not contain any of the prevalent and customary restrictions (quyud). Neither [does it contain] mubah (permissible) restrictions nor makruh (prohibitively disliked) ones, i.e., it is free from all [sorts of] restrictions. For instance, a few people gathered by coincidence, no one had invited them with any extraordinary effort; rather they were gathered for some other permissible event. In this gathering, either by reading from a book or by delivering a lecture, the blessed event of the birth and the characteristics, habits, miracles and virtues of our Radiant Master (Allah bless him and give him peace), the Lord of the Universe, the Source of Pride for the Prophet Adam (may Allah’s peace be upon him), were narrated based on sound sources.

    During this narration, if the need was felt to enjoin good actions and discuss religious rulings and one proceeded in doing so without hesitation or this gathering was held to listen to a religious discourse and within it these blessed events and virtues were narrated, then this is the type [of mawlid] that is permissible without any objection. Moreover, it is sunnah and mustahabb (recommended).
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