Madhab???

format_quote Originally Posted by studentof_Islam

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How can a person be in wudu and out of wudu at the same time?

Brother this is the type of question which leads a muslim out of the Noor (light) and into Jahalat (ignorance).
For Example in Ayt Kursi it is mentioned in the end " wasaay kursiu Samawat wal Eard " Allah's Chair/Throne encompass the heaven and earth". Now if we start asking questions like " Is Allah's Chair made of gold or silver? Is it tall or short? Is it round or rectangular? etc etc. " You see where I am getting at? These types of questions would lead us away from the real subject and into the realm of myth which will further confuse us and here is where Satan steps in to misguide us.

These types of questions were also asked of all the prophets and especially Hazrat Isa A.S by the jewish ulemas and also Rasul Allah was asked such questions which he looked down upon with disapproval. Here I quote you one authentic hadis. Read it and understand it and implement it in your life in order to be on Siratal Mustaqeen (the right road).

Abu Hurayrah R.Z. reported that Rasul Allah s.a.w said "" Spare me (your questions) while I will spare you (additional Obligations). Indeed, the people before you were only destroyed because they asked too many questions and then disobeyed their prophets. When I command you to do something, do as much of it as you are able. And when I forbid you from something, abstain from it "" ( Recorded by Iman Muslim and other Muhadaseen)

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The Hanifa school of thought says if you touch a woman accidentally it doesn’t break your wudu but the Shafi school of thought says it does break your wudu?

Brother, Question is why do we need to touch a women in the first place

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So how can they both be correct regarding this matter?

There is difference of opinion in all Four Mathabs on different aspects of Islam but doesn't mean that either one of them is wrong or we , as muslims, should follow them blindly. Once we determine that a particular imam has given a fatwa or ordinance we should try to authenticate it with Quran or Sahih hadis of Rasul Allah s.a.w and then Allah has given each human being reasoning power to determine what is right and what is wrong. Inshallah, Allah will guide you in this regard.

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Can a person be in wudu and out of wudu at the same time?

I think you have given the right answer below

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I don’t think that is possible.

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Does a person need to follow a school of thought?

No Brother you don't need to but in some matters which we can neither find in Quran or Sunnah of our prophet s.a.w, we find that the Four imams have given their views on such matters. So we take guidance from their writings and sayings. But then again, follow that which you believe is rational, understandable, alligned with Quran and sunnah of rasul Allah s.a.w

Allah, however, knows best.

May Allah guide us to the right path and forgive all muslameen and musleemat if we falter or err. Aameen.

as-salamu alaykum

Brother, why do you want to argue about it specially during this month!? Do you not have better things to do in the last few days of the ramadhan?

Are you self learned mujtahid? Do you not ask a scholar for a fatwa? If so, then are you not following that scholar? If so, then why do you want to make big fuss about those who follow a madhab? They are doing exactly what you are doing: asking a person of knowledge. And you should know that even those who claim that they do not follow a particular madhab do follow the madhaahab because most of the times when muftis give fatawas they are based on the understanding of the 4 madhaahab.

awam does not have a madhab, and thier madhab is whatever the Imam, from whom the take fatawa, says. this is the view of the majority of the scholars. Following a madhab is not obligatory on anyone but if someone follows it then do not make things hard for them. In reality, even if the awam says that they are hanfi, they are not really hanafi because to be hanafi is to have complete understanding of the usul al-fiqh of the madhab and what the scholars in that madhab have said. However, the awam says this because the mufti, who they ask for fatawa, happens to be a hanafi.

Secondly, the haqq (truth) is not limited to just the four madhaahab and whoever says this is propagating an evil bid'ah. And there is nothing wrong with doing one thing the way of one madhab and another thing with other madhab's way AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE CONSENSUS OF BOTH MADHAAHAB. For example, doing waduh the hanafi way and adopting the opinion of touching the women the shafi way.

Please refer to All about following a Madhab and taqleed to understand this issue better and adopting the middle position.

and Allah knows best

format_quote Originally Posted by studentof_Islam

How can a person be in wudu and out of wudu at the same time?

As a bro correctly pointed out , why raise this unnecessary debate specially in this blessed month ?

Be careful so that u can avoid the touching ; if accidently it happens and u are in doubt , then offer wudu again. It will take only 2/3 minutes ; so what's the problem ?

format_quote Originally Posted by islamiclife

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Are you self learned mujtahid?

My question is: islamiclife are you a self learned mujtahid?

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Do you not ask a scholar for a fatwa? If so, then are you not following that scholar?

I have checked out your website called islamiclife. Who is the scholar who is writing all those articles. can you care to elaborate to the islamic board commnity so that we all can be guided? In the contact section there is no name for the person to be contacted or names of the scholars mentioned? very strange.

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most of the times when muftis give fatawas they are based on the understanding of the 4 madhaahab.

And it is not necessary that we should follow those muftis or imams blindly as I have elaborated earlier.

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awam does not have a madhab, and thier madhab is whatever the Imam, from whom the take fatawa, says.

Sorry to say this but that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. That would make the Awam ( I believe you mean the general public) ignorant and blind followers, which is not the case

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this is the view of the majority of the scholars

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Can you please enlighten us with your scholarly knowledge and give us some names of those scholars? Thank you

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Following a madhab is not obligatory on anyone but if someone follows it then do not make things hard for them.

That is true

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Secondly, the haqq (truth) is not limited to just the four madhaahab and whoever says this is propagating an evil bid'ah.

I agree with you on this point completely

Dear Islamiclife hope you will come up with all the questions I asked because I would really like to know where you are getting all your answers since you do not either quote a quranic ayat nor authentic hadis of rasul Allah s.a.w.

May Allah guide all muslameen and muslimeet Aameen

@hrm

bro, if you are trying to start an argument with me then that is not happening. Jazak Allah khayr for your kind comments.

format_quote Originally Posted by studentof_Islam

So how can they both be correct regarding this matter?

I wrote this a while ago:

Let me give you an analogy that should make it easier for you.

Islamic Law is derived from four sources: Qur'an - Sunnah - Ijma' (Consensus) - Qiyaas (analogy).

Now think of a fruit juicer and you're trying to make fruit juice. What do you do? You take the fruits, put it into the juicer, process it, and then you get the juice. You can process at different settings right? Complete puree, well blended etc. You can choose to put an extra apple over an orange right? I hope you get the point.

Now, coming back to how we get Fiqh:

The fruits are the four sources of Islamic Law. The juicer is the Madhab. The juice you get after processing is the actual Fiqh (jurisprudential rulings). You can process at different settings, for example, you can choose to apply more of setting A: 'Sunnah' over setting D: 'Qiyaas', and you'll get a slightly different result had you applied setting D over setting A.

This is why we have four madhabs, and different opinions. The 'ingredients' all four madhabs use are the same, however, the way they process the ingredients differs slightly between each of them. Each of them have evidence for the way they choose to process the ingredients which makes their resulting 'juice' valid.

Read the rest here: http://www.islamicboard.com/1144566-post4.html

Does a person need to follow a school of thought?

Again, I wrote this a while ago:

Most of the people I've come across usually tend to go to extremes in regards to this issue. There are on one side, a group of people that advise the laymen to make Ijtihad and abandon Taqleed trying to use some quotes from the four Imaams that indicate abandoning Taqleed of them and going back to the sources themselves. Those statements, in and of themselves are correct, but they're not intended for the laymen. They were intended for the students of the Imaams who maybe werent completely Mujtahid Mutlaq but were knowledgeable enough to decipher the evidences and extract jurisprudential rulings on their own and evaluate differences. In explaining this position, Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah says: “[Imam Ahmad] would order the layman to ask (yustafti) Ishaq, Abu ‘Ubaid, Abu Thawr, Abu Mus’ab, whilst he would forbid the scholars from his followers, such as Abu Dawud (the compiler of Sunan), ‘Uthman ibn Sa’id, Ibrahim al-Harbi, Abu Bakr al-Athram, Abu Zur’ah, Abu Hatim al-Sajistani, Muslim (the compiler of Sahih) and others, from making Taqleed of anyone from the scholars. He would say to them: You must refer to the sources, to the Book and the Sunnah.”

See al-Manhaj 373-376, al-Tahqiqat 643-645, Majmu’ah 20/116, 124-126, al-Mustadrak 2/241, 258, al-Furu’ 6/492, al-Insaf 11/147, I’lam 6/203-205, Mukhtasar al-Tahrir 103, Hal al-Muslim Mulzam… 14, Rawdhat al-Talibin 11/117, Usul al-Fiqh al-Islami 2/1166

So that is one extreme. The second extreme I've found amongst the people are those that make it completely mandatory (i.e. wajib) for everyone to adhere to a madhab. I understand that it is perhaps a lot better for a layman to stick to a madhab, but I have yet to see evidence that it is wajib. This is different from being la madhabi - that position is the extreme described above.

So personally, I've found the following beneficial. i) Avoiding arguments about these issues. ii) Finding a scholar that I trust, who has learned fiqh traditionally via a madhab, and asking him my questions, because to me at the end of the day, that is me fulfilling the obligations Allaah has placed upon me ('Ask the people of knowledge if you do not know'). After all, the madhab of the layman is the madhab of the scholar he refers to. I've found this to be balance between the two extremes. I might also add, this position (of following a madhab not being wajib, but asking a scholar that one trusts) is supported by many of the previous scholars such as Imam an-Nawawi, Ibn Qawan al-Shafi’i, Mulla ‘Ali al-Qari al-Hanafi, Ibn al-Humam al-Hanafi, and even some of the recent scholars such as Shaykh ‘Abdul-Fattah Abu Ghuddah (rahimullah) held this opinion.

My personal advise would be to not turn this issue into a gigantic argument, except against those that are la-madhabi ofcourse . Follow whichever madhab you want Insha'Allaah - there isn't a problem with that. I remember reading from a trustworthy Shaykh who studied with Shaykh Uthaymeen that once he attended a lecture of the Shaykh and in that lecture Shaykh Uthaymeen rahimullah advised and encouraged the listeners to choose and follow a madhab. Notice that this advice wasn't given to lay people like us, but actual students of knowledge - how much more important would it be for us to follow it?

Lastly, is just the issue of tolerance. A lot of us Alhamdullilah are tolerant of other madahib, but in the past and still today in places, people tend to go to extremes. The rivalry between the hanafis and the shafiees in the past is well known and one can give many examples of the type of fantacism that existed in the past. My point is basically, choose a madhab or a scholar that your trust, don't become la madhabi, follow it, but be open and tolerant to those that choose to follow a different one.

http://www.islamicboard.com/1039200-post47.html

Now, let us try and stay away from engaging in useless arguments and try and take advantage of the last few days that we have left of Ramadan.

format_quote Originally Posted by *Maysun

in islam we are not allowed to choose one madhab .. all madhabs were salaafis..
so they are one..

Pl. explain .

format_quote Originally Posted by Maalik

Let me give you an analogy that should make it easier for you.

Islamic Law is derived from four sources: Qur'an - Sunnah - Ijma' (Consensus) - Qiyaas (analogy).

Now think of a fruit juicer and you're trying to make fruit juice. What do you do? You take the fruits, put it into the juicer, process it, and then you get the juice. You can process at different settings right? Complete puree, well blended etc. You can choose to put an extra apple over an orange right? I hope you get the point.

Now, coming back to how we get Fiqh:

The fruits are the four sources of Islamic Law. The juicer is the Madhab. The juice you get after processing is the actual Fiqh (jurisprudential rulings). You can process at different settings, for example, you can choose to apply more of setting A: 'Sunnah' over setting D: 'Qiyaas', and you'll get a slightly different result had you applied setting D over setting A.

This is why we have four madhabs, and different opinions. The 'ingredients' all four madhabs use are the same, however, the way they process the ingredients differs slightly between each of them. Each of them have evidence for the way they choose to process the ingredients which makes their resulting 'juice' valid.

Beautiful and very well elaborated, I can always use this type of analogy in one of my presentations. Thank you