A British man came to Sheikh and asked, "Why is it not permissible in Islam for women to shake hands with a man?" The Sheikh said, "Can you shake hands with Queen Elizabeth?" British man replied, "Of course not, there are only certain people who can shake hands with Queen Elizabeth". Sheikh replied with a smile on his face, "Our Women are Queens and Queens do not shake hands with strange men".
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A British man came to Sheikh and asked, "Why is it not permissible in Islam for women to shake hands with a man?" The Sheikh said, "Can you shake hands with Queen Elizabeth?" British man replied, "Of course not, there are only certain people who can shake hands with Queen Elizabeth". Sheikh replied with a smile on his face, "Our Women are Queens and Queens do not shake hands with strange men".
What a load of childish nonsence, Muslim women aren't Queens. Queens are either married to Kings or are the heir to a throne i.e. owners of a country and rulers of it's people. To say all Muslim women are Queens is simply nonsense. If he was suggesting the Muslims women should be treated like a Quen that poses the question - why, what have they done to deserve such homage. And with regards to shaking hands that would mean all the Muslim women treated like Queens woudl be able to shake hands with any member of the aristocracy - again nonsense.
And with regards to shaking hands that would mean all the Muslim women treated like Queens woudl be able to shake hands with any member of the aristocracy - again nonsense.
Of course this queen can shakes hand with members of aristocracy, such as her husband, her kids, her parents, and other aristocrat in her kingdom that called "mahram".
What a load of childish nonsence, Muslim women aren't Queens. Queens are either married to Kings or are the heir to a throne i.e. owners of a country and rulers of it's people. To say all Muslim women are Queens is simply nonsense. If he was suggesting the Muslims women should be treated like a Quen that poses the question - And with regards to shaking hands that would mean all the Muslim women treated like Queens woudl be able to shake hands with any member of the aristocracy - again nonsense.
Define Queen? A queen is respected, honoured and certainly given rights. She meets who she has the right to meet.
Muslim women obey their creator, worship him etc because they do this they know the one who created them knows better.
King and Queen as in ruler of their household, its quite obvious that all muslim women in the world arent married to kings and rule over some land or country etc.
"Allah! La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), Al-Hayyul-Qayyum (the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists).".."[Al Qur'aan 3:2]
What a load of childish nonsence, Muslim women aren't Queens. Queens are either married to Kings or are the heir to a throne i.e. owners of a country and rulers of it's people. To say all Muslim women are Queens is simply nonsense. If he was suggesting the Muslims women should be treated like a Quen that poses the question - why, what have they done to deserve such homage. And with regards to shaking hands that would mean all the Muslim women treated like Queens woudl be able to shake hands with any member of the aristocracy - again nonsense.
I don't think you're seeing the bigger picture here - In Islam, women are valued as queens. They are to be respected and honored at the highest levels.
If you begin to live life relating to the God who is all around you, every moment becomes a prayer.
What a load of childish nonsence, Muslim women aren't Queens. Queens are either married to Kings or are the heir to a throne i.e. owners of a country and rulers of it's people. To say all Muslim women are Queens is simply nonsense. If he was suggesting the Muslims women should be treated like a Quen that poses the question - why, what have they done to deserve such homage. And with regards to shaking hands that would mean all the Muslim women treated like Queens woudl be able to shake hands with any member of the aristocracy - again nonsense.
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I don't think you're seeing the bigger picture here - In Islam, women are valued as queens. They are to be respected and honored at the highest levels.
Women or men regardless of gender deserve courtesy and respect. Some women and men e.g. kings and queens are by custom given a greater degree of respect not because of their gender but because of their position. This thread is about man and women shaking hands and the analogy given by the OP of Islam not allowing it because Muslim women are treated as queens is childish explanation at best and ridiculous explanation at worst.
Women or men regardless of gender deserve courtesy and respect. Some women and men e.g. kings and queens are by custom given a greater degree of respect not because of their gender but because of their position. This thread is about man and women shaking hands and the analogy given by the OP of Islam not allowing it because Muslim women are treated as queens is childish explanation at best and ridiculous explanation at worst.
I agree, no matter what gender they are, they deserve respect and courtesy and that is exactly what Islaam gives us and the way Islaam teaches us to follow. As you mentioned king and Queen are given respect due to their position, Islaam allready gives us that position due to the rights given to us. The truth is that women in Islaam are to be treated like Queens, the Prophet Muhammad (may the blessings of the Allmighty be unto him) already taught us the best man is the who is best to his wife. And this doesnt mean the man/husband is treated any different by his wife either. The man and women have their rights.
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"Allah! La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), Al-Hayyul-Qayyum (the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists).".."[Al Qur'aan 3:2]
This thread is about man and women shaking hands and the analogy given by the OP of Islam not allowing it because Muslim women are treated as queens is childish explanation at best and ridiculous explanation at worst.
There are many reasons why Islam forbids shaking hands between a woman and a non-mahrem. Its not just
about women being treated as queens.. this was just a beautiful saying I wanted to share.
There is no need to be so skeptic bro.
If you begin to live life relating to the God who is all around you, every moment becomes a prayer.
Women or men regardless of gender deserve courtesy and respect. Some women and men e.g. kings and queens are by custom given a greater degree of respect not because of their gender but because of their position. This thread is about man and women shaking hands and the analogy given by the OP of Islam not allowing it because Muslim women are treated as queens is childish explanation at best and ridiculous explanation at worst.
You've just said that you do not shake the Queen's hand because of a greater degree of respect. The point here is respect. The Sheikh is saying that we respect our women like queens and so do not shake their hands. Whether accurate or light hearted, it's certainly a good analogy and one I think even a child could grasp... yet somehow you've managed to completely miss the point.
even before i reverted i always avoided shaking hands with men for lots of reasons..... firstly hygiene.... how do i know the man has clean hands? secondly ive always felt touching of hands a really intimate thing to do...... thirdly ive always had a big personal space around me and hate anyone i dont know well coming into that space.....there is absolutely no reason at all to shake hands with a man, a simple hello should be sufficient. I have had people look at me like im ignorant, stupid or impolite when i have said sorry i dont shake hands...... since i reverted and refuse to shake hands i just get the 'ah course, shes muslim' look :
sorry im rubbish at the quoting thing on here.... think it was ardianto that said ' Of course this queen can shakes hand with members of aristocracy, such as her husband, her kids, her parents, and other aristocrat in her kingdom that called "mahram". ' my feelings are likewise
There are many reasons why Islam forbids shaking hands between a woman and a non-mahrem. Its not just
about women being treated as queens.. this was just a beautiful saying I wanted to share.
There is no need to be so skeptic bro.
You are right, respected ukhti, and I agree that it was a beautiful analogy. There are many greeting customs from around the world that most people not from that culture would feel uncomfortable with, such as:
rubbing noses or “Eskimo Kiss” by Intuits and other Native Americans
kissing one‘s cheek - in Europe, Latin America, and the Caribbean
women give two kisses to both men and women - in Argentina
full-body greeting called the abrazo - across South America
It seems that people in the West have trouble accepting that Muslims don't want to have physical contact with people of different gender even in the form of shaking hands. I can't tell you how many times a woman has extended her hand to me in greeting. I respond by putting my hand over my heart and saying, "I am sorry, but I don't shake on account of my religion."
There are many forms of greetings in different cultures and if rubbing noses is something that you don’t want to do you might want to avoid living amongst Eskimos. In the UK the cultural norm for greetings is an outstretched hand. The culture dictates that offering another person your hand is a sign of respect (you would not, for example, offer your hand to someone with whom you were at odds or whom you disrespected) and similarly it is a sign of disrespect to refuse an outstretched hand offered. Living in a country which has a culture allowing many freedoms including being allowed to disrespect its culture gives you the right to do whatever you like but know this – refuse that hand and that same culture will avoid embarrassing confrontation and will simply smile and walk away but THEY WILL hold a grudge - that is British culture.
There are many reasons why Islam forbids shaking hands between a woman and a non-mahrem. Its not just
about women being treated as queens.. this was just a beautiful saying I wanted to share.
There is no need to be so skeptic bro.
No there isn't, there's nothing in the Qu'ran or the hadith that prohibits hand shakes. Hand shakes as a form of greeting was not the custom in 6th century Arabia. The restriction on handshakes is something brought in my men long after Muhammad's death.
We're not talking about culture here, we're talking about Islam. Shaking hands (and touching) members of the opposite sex
when not related, is not permissable for Muslims according to the teachings of Islam.
There are many hadiths that provide evidence that this act is not allowed: The prophet, peace be upon him said, "It is better for you to be stabbed in the head with an iron needle than to touch the hand of a woman who is to permissible to you."
[At-Tabarani in "Al Kabir, #486. Shaikh Albani said in Sahih al-Jaami' it is sahih #5045]
Umaymah bint Raqeeqah said: 'The prophet, peace be upon him, said, "I do not shake hands with women (not permissible to touch)."
[An-Nasaai, #4181 and Ibn Majah, #2874; Albani declared it sahih; Al Jami, #2513]
Ibn Nujaym said: 'It is not permissible for a man to touch a woman's face or hands even when there's no risk of desire because it is haraam in principle and there is no necessity to allow it.'
[Al-Bahr al-Raa'iq, 8/219]
Muhammad ibn Ahmad ('Ulaysh) said: 'It's not permissible for a man to touch the face or hand of a non-mahram woman (not related), and it is not permissilbe for him to his hand on hers without a barrier. Ayesha, may Allah be pleased with her, said: 'The prophet, peace be upon him, never accepted a woman's oath of allegiance by shaking hands with her; instead he would accept their oath of alleginace in words alone.'
According to another report: 'His hand never touched the hand of a woman, instead he would accept their oath of allegiance with words alone.'
[Manh Al-Jaleel Sharh Mukhtasar Khaleel, 1/223]
And many more.
Brother, please do your homework before making things up.
If you begin to live life relating to the God who is all around you, every moment becomes a prayer.
No there isn't, there's nothing in the Qu'ran or the hadith that prohibits hand shakes. Hand shakes as a form of greeting was not the custom in 6th century Arabia. The restriction on handshakes is something brought in my men long after Muhammad's death.
You are incorrect here
It was narrated that Ma’qil ibn Yassaar said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “For one of you to be stabbed in the head with an iron needle is better for him than that he should touch a woman who is not permissible for him.”
"Allah! La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), Al-Hayyul-Qayyum (the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists).".."[Al Qur'aan 3:2]
Living in a country which has a culture allowing many freedoms including being allowed to disrespect its culture gives you the right to do whatever you like but know this – refuse that hand and that same culture will avoid embarrassing confrontation and will simply smile and walk away but THEY WILL hold a grudge - that is British culture.
It is not disrespectful if one doesnt will to shake hands if the other is a stranger man to the individual. For example it may seem disrespectful if a man ignores hand shake with another man, or women with another women. But a women who is stranger to another man, has full right to not shake hands, and vice versa. As muslims we are aware, if Allaah commands us to do something even we dont know why, we follow it believing in him tottally, trusting in him and having no sense of doubt.
.. peace ..
"Allah! La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), Al-Hayyul-Qayyum (the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists).".."[Al Qur'aan 3:2]
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