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Your people call a person like you a fitna person, who like the shaytan is always looking to stir trouble. you are also a hypocrite who attacks the gulf based scholars and demand they come learn Islam from your scholars but when it's convenient for you, you quote those very scholars.
As for Yusuf Estes, I do not take knowledge from him as he is believed to be weak in his level of knowledge, as is zakir naik. But they both have done lot of good and brought lot of people to Islam so they suffice for laymen who have little knowledge of the deen. And with all his short comings he is still a sunni speaker and has enough knowledge to discern falsehood from the truth and was able to see in person the falsehood being taught at the sufi zaytuna temple.
The truth will always stand out against falsehood, no matter how you try to twist things to justify your grave worshiping sufi scholars. Allah's promise to protect the deen will not fail in the face of the shayateen hiding in the ummah.
Your people call a person like you a fitna person, who like the shaytan is always looking to stir trouble. you are also a hypocrite who attacks the gulf based scholars and demand they come learn Islam from your scholars but when it's convenient for you, you quote those very scholars. As for Yusuf Estes, I do not take knowledge from him as he is believed to be weak in his level of knowledge, as is zakir naik. But they both have done lot of good and brought lot of people to Islam so they suffice for laymen who have little knowledge of the deen. And with all his short comings he is still a sunni speaker and has enough knowledge to discern falsehood from the truth and was able to see in person the falsehood being taught at the sufi zaytuna temple. The truth will always stand out against falsehood, no matter how you try to twist things to justify your grave worshiping sufi scholars. Allah's promise to protect the deen will not fail in the face of the shayateen hiding in the ummah.
that is a very poor advice to give. You don't say "i say go listen to him" to "judge" how valid his information is, not when that person is the shaytan. That is a job of a scholar, not laymen who then say they had profound "impact" on their lives. Of course you would, you were an empty vessel that went over there and now you are filled with inaccurate information that you live and swear by. A shaykh (estes) has already done that (and other scholars) and deemed them to not only include bidah practices but things puts one completely out of the fold of islam. Are you saying laymen going there to listen to them are better equipped to discern the lies from the truth?
Salaam
Yusuf Estes isnt a scholar - Hamza Yusuf studied in Mauritiania with Murabat Hajj for 10 years. People should listen to him. Take the good and leave things that they dont agree with. I stated before the salafis or Islam QA dont have a monopoly on Islam.
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Zaid shaiker is a very very dangerous man. He's more dangerous than hamza yusuf. while hamza yusuf is more straight forward, zaid shaiker measures a man by his appearance and formulates his answers in accordance to that. A very cunning shaytan to stay away from. He fools others by the eloquence of his speech.
Zaid Shakir studied in Syria for many years. Once again take the good leave the bad - Islam QA doesn't have a monopoly on Islam.
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Lastly, lot of these contemporary speakers come out looking and speaking all very traditional and according to the Quran and sunnah. But soon as they have audience and trust of others, they slowly start to change their message, meaning of the quran and hadith as well as start to fabricate lies into their lectures. Even Madeenah University shaykhs said that just because someone came here and got a degree from us doesn't mean they are reliable and trust worthy.
Much more educated then You and me, as said before respect the scholars (not just the salafi and Islam QA).
Do you think the pious don't sin?
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
Yusuf Estes isnt a scholar - Hamza Yusuf studied in Mauritiania with Murabat Hajj for 10 years. People should listen to him. Take the good and leave things that they dont agree with. I stated before the salafis or Islam QA dont have a monopoly on Islam.
Zaid Shakir studied in Syria for many years. Once again take the good leave the bad - Islam QA doesn't have a monopoly on Islam.
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Wa'salaam
as the shaykhs of madeenah university said, don't assume someone got a degree from us that they have the right aqeedah. Regardless of where these sufi innovators study from, we look at what they preach and if it's putting contrary to Quran and Sunnah, we call them out on it.
If one is not educated enough, like majority of their students, how are they going to know what to take and to leave out. Again very poor advice and excuse to invite others to listen to deviants.
Much more educated then You and me, as said before respect the scholars (not just the salafi and Islam QA)
Am I calling them dogs and donkeys? There's a difference between disrespecting others and calling them out for misguiding the Muslims out of the fold of Islam.
as the shaykhs of madeenah university said, don't assume someone got a degree from us that they have the right aqeedah. Regardless of where these sufi innovators study from, we look at what they preach and if it's putting contrary to Quran and Sunnah, we call them out on it.
Islam isnt passed through degrees - its passed through Ijazah and Isnad. I stated before that salafis dont have a monopoly on Islam that includes aqeada.
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If one is not educated enough, like majority of their students, how are they going to know what to take and to leave out. Again very poor advice and excuse to invite others to listen to deviants.
This is an incoherent statement.
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Am I calling them dogs and donkeys? There's a difference between disrespecting others and calling them out for misguiding the Muslims out of the fold of Islam.
another statement that doenst make sense. Who exactly made you the caretaker of Islam? - have you been to Medinah University? did the scholars tell you teach Quran and sunnah? where is you Ijazah?
stay in your lane and stick to Islam QA.
Last edited by Zafran; 03-27-2018 at 12:23 AM.
Do you think the pious don't sin?
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
You don't need ijazah to know someone preaching say "Allahu Allahu" sitting in a circle for hours on end has nothing to do with Islam. Speaking out against falsehood is part of the deen. stay in your sufi lane and let others expose the innovators who lie about Islam.
You don't need ijazah to know someone preaching say "Allahu Allahu" sitting in a circle for hours on end has nothing to do with Islam. Speaking out against falsehood is part of the deen. stay in your sufi lane and let others expose the innovators who lie about Islam.
yes you do need Ijazah to talk about the deen and especially transmitting Quran and sunnah and valuable Islamic Knowledge.
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If one is not educated enough, like majority of their students, how are they going to know what to take and to leave out. Again very poor advice and excuse to invite others to listen to deviants.
This statement contradicts exactly what your doing right now - your all talk and have zero etiquette or decorum when it comes to Islam or your own "advice". Your entire view of people is condescending and have no idea what to take or leave, your not even student so how your going to discern that outside of IslamQA? You dont have any scholars of Medina university teaching you? Just layman. stick to that.
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
I swear every week on this forum i see something about sufism this sufism that. Adab is important ppl! (That applies to everyone, including myself first and foremost)
I swear every week on this forum i see something about sufism this sufism that. Adab is important ppl! (That applies to everyone, including myself first and foremost)
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