Shaykh Hamza Yusuf And The Age Of Feeling

Nobody should be listening to Hamza Yusuf.

format_quote Originally Posted by ahmed.younes

Nobody should be listening to Hamza Yusuf.

Why i do

format_quote Originally Posted by cinnamonrolls1

Why i do

If you think he is a good scholar, listen; but sister, every scholar is fallible

format_quote Originally Posted by cinnamonrolls1

Why i do

Because you will corrupt your aqeedah.

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format_quote Originally Posted by azc

If you think he is a good scholar, listen; but sister, every scholar is fallible

stop giving bad advice to others. Islam is not based on what you think or agree or disagree with.

format_quote Originally Posted by azc

If you think he is a good scholar, listen; but sister, every scholar is fallible

Yes every scholar and human is fallible, but that doesn't mean she should listen to him just because she thinks he is a good. What we read, study and listen to influences us, so just because I think something is good doesn't mean I should listen to it, in spite of his deviant belief system.

format_quote Originally Posted by ahmed.younes

Yes every scholar and human is fallible, but that doesn't mean she should listen to him just because she thinks he is a good. What we read, study and listen to influences us, so just because I think something is good doesn't mean I should listen to it, in spite of his deviant belief system.

then convince her that she shouldn't listen to him

I mean every scholar has good and bad traits. No one's perfect at the end of the day. You just need to know what to listen to and what to ignore

your logic is same as those who wants to read the bible. Unless you have the foundation down in your deen, you will only end up leading yourself astray.

format_quote Originally Posted by Zzz_

your logic is same as those who wants to read the bible. Unless you have the foundation down in your deen, you will only end up leading yourself astray.

Im assuming your referring to me here? How am i going to lead myself astray?

format_quote Originally Posted by cinnamonrolls1

Im assuming your referring to me here? How am i going to lead myself astray?

If you do not have the knowledge required to discern truth from falsehood and you continue to listen to speakers who are liars then only thing you are doing is sitting with the shaytan and having him tell you what to believe.

Here's an example.

From an interview post 9/11:

Richard Scheinin: What is a martyr's reward?

Hamza Yusuf: The Prophet said that a martyr who dies doesn't have a reckoning on the Day of Judgment. It's an act through which he is forgiven. But the Prophet also said that there are people who kill in the name of Islam and go to hell. And when he was asked why, he said, "Because they weren't fighting truly for the sake of God.''

Hamza Yusuf: If there are any martyrs in this affair it would certainly be those brave firefighters and police that went in there to save human lives and in that process lost their own.

So the non-Muslim firefighters and police in New York who lost their lives are shuhadaa' who will not have a reckoning on the Day of Judgement?

This is a complete contradiction with the Islamic doctrine, i.e. that a non-Muslim can die a Shaheed !! Imam Nawawi has narrated seven different views in association with the Shaheed from the commentary of Sahih Muslim:

1. He is called Shaheed because he is alive, and his soul is present in Darus-Salam and his soul will be present in Jannah on the Day of Judgement. So the meaning of Shaheed is 'present'.
2. Allah and His angels bear witness to him for Jannah. So Shaheed is in the meaning of 'witness'.
3. When the Shaheed's soul comes out, he sees those grades and gifts that Allah has made ready for him. So Shaheed is in the meaning of 'observing Allah's gifts'.
4. The Angels of Blessings come down to place his soul at its rank. So Shaheed is in the meaning of 'the presence of angels.'
5. His obvious state has testified his Iman and a good death. So Shaheed is in the meaning of 'testifying his death on Iman'.
6. The evidence to his Shahadah is the presence of blood and this is why he is given the rank of Shaheed.
7. He will be appointed as a testifier for the Prophets that they conveyed their messages to their nations. So Shaheed is in the meaning of 'testifier'.

if you lack knowledge like many young muslims who listen to these deviant speakers without any foundation to compare it to, then they will believe what is taught and become adamant defenders of these liars.

format_quote Originally Posted by Misbah-Abd

That was an appeasement statement he made no doubt.

yea and how many more appeasements did he make ?

Lying about the deen is no joke.

Here's what yusuf estes had to say after looking into hamza yusufs teaching and zaytuna institute, at the request of hamza's own students.

I regret only that we did not move earlier on this subject. You see this has been well known to a number of us here in the states as well as abroad. Hamza has totally disregarded our efforts to speak to him on these or any subjects. He immediately begins to give lectures in the middle of discussions and goes off on definitions of words that have no meaning whatsoever to the conversation. (and they are incorrect in meaning as well).

I met with him a year ago in July at his place in California. [he ignored me]

I sat next to him in a very important meeting of imams for America in Chicago last year at ISNA. [he talked over me - and everyone else]

And then again I spoke with him at the ISNA Conference in Chicago. [he had his own agenda -- which included publicly attacking the belief of the Salaf as Saleeh (The companions and rightly guided early generations of Muslims) in the form of saying something twisted about "Wahabees" in his main lecture to thousands.]

I have referred new Muslims to his "Zaytunna Institute" only to find that they were not being taught Islam at all, they were being forced into doing "Sufi Dhikr." One lady complained to me over the phone and then when I went out there she told me that the shaytan were punishing her for not obeying the head "Shaikh" at Zaytunna. (This was Muhammad Yaqubi from Syria - who happens to be one of the muftis of the Shadaleyah Tareeqah). I personally went in and found his followers sitting on the floor reciting the word "Allah" over and over again for hours without stopping. Their eyes were closed and they were swaying back and forth as in a trance. This is not the proper way to introduce people to Islam.

When people begin learning "Islam" from these types it is very difficult for them to simply break away. Some are afraid that the jinn will bother them. Others think that the dead shaikhs have some mystical powers. The list goes on.

We have only produced exactly what he has said on the most important occasion of trying to bring about a better understanding of what Islam is all about. I realize that all of us, especially me make mistakes in our presentations. Sometimes, like last Sunday, I put things in the wrong order and loose valuable time and even the attention of some of the listeners. I ask Allah to forgive me for that. But when it comes to the material that is presented, if it is not in conjunction with what the Quran and the Sunnah teach, what would you suggest?

Would you accept that someone says something to a non-Muslim about the Quran that can open doors to huge attacks against Islam for no reason?

Is it right to sit silent while someone is making our Deen appear to have mistakes in it?

In fact, that is why I have been criticized so heavily in the recent weeks. I had received admonition during the summer just before leaving for Egypt from some of our brothers who study at one of our Islamic institutes in Virginia. They insisted that we begin exposing Hamza's institute before he did his last big nationwide drive for enrollment. But I thought I should wait a little longer. Now look what has happened.

There are others involved in this "Sufi" movement as well. I have not sat with them personally nor have they corresponded with me. However, I can assure you that the teachings coming from their sources have serious errors in them and could even be considered leading out of Islam completely.

format_quote Originally Posted by Zafran

salaam

I say you should listen to him. Hes had a huge Impact on my life and my journey on Islam. Him Abdul Hakim Murad, Sherman Jackson, Zaid Shakir etc etc. Hes by far the most influential scholar in the western end of the world.

You should also listen to salafis and see what they have to offer as well............

peace

wa'alaikum as'salaam,

that is a very poor advice to give. You don't say "i say go listen to him" to "judge" how valid his information is, not when that person is the shaytan. That is a job of a scholar, not laymen who then say they had profound "impact" on their lives. Of course you would, you were an empty vessel that went over there and now you are filled with inaccurate information that you live and swear by. A shaykh (estes) has already done that (and other scholars) and deemed them to not only include bidah practices but things puts one completely out of the fold of islam. Are you saying laymen going there to listen to them are better equipped to discern the lies from the truth?

Zaid shaiker is a very very dangerous man. He's more dangerous than hamza yusuf. while hamza yusuf is more straight forward, zaid shaiker measures a man by his appearance and formulates his answers in accordance to that. A very cunning shaytan to stay away from. He fools others by the eloquence of his speech.

‘Abdullah bin Umar (radiyallaahu anhu) narrated that 2 men came from the east and addressed the people who wondered at their eloquent speech. On that Allaah’s Messenger (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) said: “Some eloquent speech is as effective as magic.” (Saheeh al-Bukhaaree)

There's another hadith that i read earlier tonight but can't find now. In it prophet (S) said of a person who is very eloquent and convincing in his speech but warned to stay away from him.

Lastly, lot of these contemporary speakers come out looking and speaking all very traditional and according to the Quran and sunnah. But soon as they have audience and trust of others, they slowly start to change their message, meaning of the quran and hadith as well as start to fabricate lies into their lectures. Even Madeenah University shaykhs said that just because someone came here and got a degree from us doesn't mean they are reliable and trust worthy.

On that note, here's a good post on zaytuna former days and current days of operations
https://mybeliefs.co.uk/2012/08/06/s...alifornia-usa/

Don't hang around two-faced, snake-like people. You can't let people like that influence you.

If you tell the truth and you are honest... you will be persecuted. You should be persecuted.

If you're not being persecuted for your beliefs... it's probably because you're not a threat to the schemes of Shaytan. Be a threat to the schemes of Shaytan. Be an enemy to him. Don't be someone that Shaytan is comfortable with.

To me it seems the forces which are normally opposed to Islam... are a little TOO comfortable with Hamza Yusuf. That should be a red flag, that should make alarms go off in one's head.