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    Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party (OP)


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    The Muslims Are One Group & One Party


    From the words of the Shaykh , al-'Allāmah, Hamood bin 'Uqalā' Ash-Shu'aybī (may Allāh have mercy on him):

    "Question: What do you – may Allāh safeguard you – say in relation to belonging the Islamic groups?

    Shaykh Hamood replied: The Muslimūn are one group and one party; they are those who are upon the Book and the Sunnah. However, it is these groups today that have weakened the da’wah and divided the ummah into various sects and parties. So this is the Tablighī group; this is the Salafī group – those who falsely attribute themselves to Salafīyyah – and this is the Ikhwān group, and so on.

    Those who agree with the Book and the Sunnah from these various groups are the ones upon the truth. In terms of dispersion, fragmentation, and separation, then this evil happened from the enemies of the Muslimīn; because the enemies of Islām realize that the authentic Islām poses a danger to them. Due to that they make efforts to divide the Muslimīn so that the Muslimīn do not become established.

    This separation is not permissible and weakens the ummah; it is obligatory upon everyone to unite upon the Book and the Sunnah, and to give aid among the Muslimīn. As for every group who curses and insults the other, then it is erroneous and not permissible. He (ta‘ālā) said, “ And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allah (i.e. this Qur'ān), and be not divided among yourselves, and remember Allāh's Favour on you, for you were enemies one to another but He joined your hearts together, so that, by His Grace, you became brethren (in Islamic Faith)1..." And He (ta‘ālā) said, "And verily, this 2 is my Straight Path, so follow it, and follow not (other) paths, for they will separate you away from His Path. This He has ordained for you that you may become Al-Muttaqūn." 3

    The Muslimīn being united is a root of strength and honor, along with a means for victory...." - End

    Adaptation of Eng. Transfer. (Original Arabic : http://www.al-oglaa.com/?section=subject&SubjectID=21 )

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    1 Āle Imrān (3), 103.
    2 i.e. Allāh's Commandments mentioned in the above two Verses 151 and 152.
    3 Al-An'ām (6), 153.
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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

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    Following an established madhhab, far from being a cancer, is in fact an act of wisdom, prudence and humility that previous generations of Muslims have done for centuries.

    The vast majority of believers do not have the requisite knowledge, time and intelligence to do proper ijtihâd. It sounds good to say that one simply follows the Qur'ân and the Sunna, rather than what one perceives to be sects, but this is a naive oversimplification that has no relation to real life. While the Islamic creed is fairly easy to understand, the sciences of the religion on the other hand are difficult to master. It's not a simple matter of picking up a Qur'ân and reading a collection of sound ahâdith: have you mastered the Classical Arabic language? That takes years of intense personal study. Do you know how to reconcile apparently contradictory ahâdith? There are thousand of narrations in the accepted collections. How do you establish their chronological order by yourself in a way that helps you determine their context and their relevance to fiqh? How do you master the concept of naskh on your own? How can you determine the boundaries of Sharia without the vast corpus of intellectual knowledge that your pious predecessors have left behind? It is impossible. The traditional madhâhib are a treasure of Islamic knowledge and tradition. They are necessarily vehicles by which true Ilm is acquired. You definitely need learned scholars and people of knowledge put above you to guide you through even the most simple aspects of Islam. The differences of opinion in fiqh are not a source of uncertainty or scandal to the Umma but a source of richness. It is virtually impossible that the Umma has been misguided for so long. All of the madhâhib are valid and must be respected with a spirit of docility and tolerance towards our brothers in the faith. Those who cast this spiritual heritage aside, do so to their own peril.

    If we got rid of all madhâhib - quite a disastrous idea in itself - and everyone just followed the Qur'ân and Sunna by themselves, what would happen? New madhâhib would inevitably spring up in no time as attempts to systematize the overwhelming breadth of information contained in the revelation that our blessed Rasûlullâh (s.a.w.) received and put into practice by his living example.

    Sadly, sectarianism in Islam is an inevitability, as prophesied by the Prophet (s.a.w.) himself. Let us remain close to Allâh, reform our hearts, practice our religion and respect our sheykhs and our pious predecessors in the path of righteousness.
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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

    I have already said enough on this topic. The main reason I came on this forum was for dialogue with non Muslims and sadly this is turning into a battle against my own Muslims brothers.
    May Allah keep us united. If you want to discuss anything seriously with logic, send me a private message and we can continue our discussion privately. I am not going to answer anything related to this issue on this forum anymore.

    The video below pretty much sums up my response:


    Ma’a Salama
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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

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    Accepting The Truth From Anyone



    Ḥāfidh ibn Rajab quotes Imām Ash-Shāfi'ī:

    "... He also used to say, “I never debated someone desiring that he errs, nor have I debated someone worrying about whether the truth would be clarified on his tongue, or on mine.” This was because their debating was solely for the sake of clarifying the command of Allāh and His Messenger , and was not for the sake of winning (the argument), or for the sake of personal recognition..."

    Further, ibn Rajab writes:

    "...Similarly, the scholars and those aware of the truth used to advise one another to accept the truth from anyone that had said it, whether young or old, and to submit to his opinion.

    It was said to Ḥātim al-Asim, “You are an inarticulate man, however never did you debate a man except that you overcame him. So how do you triumph over your opponents?” He said,“With three (things): I am pleased if my opponent is correct, I am unhappy if he is wrong, and I withhold my tongue from saying anything that would harm him.” When this was mentioned to Imām Aḥmad (ibn Ḥanbal) he remarked, “How wise a man he is!”..."

    [Adaptation of Eng. Trans. Of Ḥāfidh Abū’l-Faraj ibn Rajab al-Ḥanbalī's explanation of the hadīth “I was sent with the sword before the Hour..."]


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    Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

    “Your soul is just like your enemy; if it finds you serious, it will obey you. But if it finds you weak, it will take you as a prisoner.”

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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

    Quote Originally Posted by HabibUrrehman View Post
    I have already said enough on this topic. The main reason I came on this forum was for dialogue with non Muslims and sadly this is turning into a battle against my own Muslims brothers.
    May Allah keep us united. If you want to discuss anything seriously with logic, send me a private message and we can continue our discussion privately. I am not going to answer anything related to this issue on this forum anymore.

    The video below pretty much sums up my response:


    Ma’a Salama
    Yes, totally agree with the brothers video, it makes complete sense. We are Muslims that follow the Quran & Sunnah, the madhabs arose from scholars of different lands, times, and available hadith, and scholastic principles, so obviously there is going to be some differences, but now we are so fortunate to have all of the knowledge before us, so we must utilise all of the Islamic knowledge to arrive at the best decisions, and if we did that then that is all that is required.
    When the Prophet(saw) told the Sahabas(ra) not to pray Asr, until they reached Bani Quraidh, the Sahabas (ra) had different interpretations, yet the Propeht(saw) said both of them would be rewarded.

    I am very limited in knowledge, but sometimes i say to someone that asks me,well Islamic law can be compared to kuffr law, in the sense that different judges and lawyers presiding over the same rules, come to slightly different results.
    In the same way, most Muslims are not Islamic 'lawyers' or Islamic 'judges', but today we dont have the Islamic Judicial System, or Islamic Sharia, implemented by the calipha, and the so meanwhile we must look to experts to guide us .However, if you see something wrong, then dont follow it, as their are deliberate diversions going on.

    That being said, a new Muslim, and probably most is us are not that knowledgeable, so we must start somewhere, so to 'follow' someone you trust is the only option. That does not mean we are Hanifi, or Shafi etc, its just means we must follow the strongest evidences.
    One example of the problems that affect the Ummah is the calendar, or lack of. The calendar is meant to unite and synchronise a people, and that is no different for the Muslim Ummah. But these days rather than working towards unification and so common calendar, our proxy rulers are dividing us by deliberately adopting different calendars.
    Now, its the same story , on every issue, they like to keep us divided, and so promote all kinds of weird rulings.
    This will not change unless we change, and demand unity in political, economic, military, and all divisions.

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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

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    Reconciling People By Leaving The Mustahabb Deeds



    "...The kind of strictness in religious adherence which is to be criticized is that which regards mustahabb things as obligatory and makrooh things as haraam. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) warned against going to extremes in religion, and he also warned against undue strictness. Extremism and strictness does not mean applying the Sunnah, rather it means changing its rulings and being too strict with regard to commands and prohibitions when that is not the case.... "

    Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

    As for the description of prayer, one of its issues is the Basmalah (saying Bismillaah…), and the people differ as to whether it is a verse of the Qur'aan or not, and whether it is to be recited or not. Both sides have written books that show a great deal of ignorance and wrongdoing, even though the issues is not that serious. Adhering blindly to one’s view in these and similar matters is one of the signs of division and dissent which is forbidden for us. The reason for discussing these controversial minor issues is to find out which view is more sound, as these issues are among the least serious controversial issues, but the shaytaan may play a role in creating divisions among Muslims because of these minor issues.

    Then he said: It is mustahabb for a man to try to reconcile people by refraining from these mustahabb deeds, because the interests served by reconciling people in Islam is greater than the interest served by doing such things. Similarly, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) decided not to change the structure of the Ka’bah, because leaving it as it was would reconcile people, and Ibn Mas’ood criticized ‘Uthmaan for offering prayers in full whilst travelling, but he still prayed behind him when he offered the prayer in full, and said: Dissent is evil.

    Majmoo’ al-Fataawa (22/405-407).

    https://islamqa.info/en/answers/8777...es-the-muslims


    "...He (may Allah have mercy on) also said: One may refrain from doing that which is preferable in one’s own opinion, lest the people be put off. The same applies if a man thinks that the basmalah should be recited out loud, but he is leading some people in prayer who do not think that that is recommended, or vice versa; if he goes along with them, that is fine.

    End quote from Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa (22/268, 269)...."

    https://islamqa.info/en/answers/1755...he-worshippers

    "...Another indication of the importance of striving to reconcile people and bring them together is that a number of scholars stated that it is permissible for the imam to omit some of the sunnahs in order to unite the congregation, as Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: If the imam thinks that something is mustahabb, but the people praying behind him do not regard it as mustahabb, and he omits it for the sake of unity and harmony, that is better.

    An example of that is Witr, concerning which the scholars have three views: (1) that it can only be done with three continuous rak’ahs, like Maghrib, as is the view of the people of Iraq; (2) that it can only be done with one rak’ah separate from those that precede it, as is the view of those among the people of the Hijaaz who held this view; (3) that both are permissible, as is the view of al-Shaafa’i, Ahmad and others, and this is the correct view, even though they prefer that it should be done with one separate rak’ah.

    If the imam thinks that it should be done with one separate rak’ah, but the members of the congregation think that Witr should be prayed like Maghrib, and he concurs with them in order to bring about unity, that is better, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to ‘Aa’ishah: “Were it not that your people have only recently left Jaahiliyyah behind, I would have demolished the Ka’bah and levelled it to the ground, and rebuilt it with two doors, one door for the people to enter and another door for them to exit.”So he refrained from doing that which was better in his view, so as not to alienate the people.

    Similarly, if a man thinks that reciting Bismillaah out loud is correct, but he leads in prayer people who hold a different view, or vice versa, and he concurs with them, that is better. End quote from al-Fataawa al-Kubra (2/118).

    https://islamqa.info/en/answers/8784...-in-the-mosque

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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

    Following Other Schools


    A view from a popular Hanafī school Q&A site - Shāfi'ī school section

    https://islamqa.org/shafii/qibla-shafii/33350

    "...(1) What the scholars of exacting verification (muhaqqiqeen) have explicitly stated is that it is not obligatory to follow a single school in all matters. Rather, it is permissible for one to switch from one school to another as long as one does not seek out dispensations, which means to take the easiest position from every school.

    (2) It is permissible to follow the Hanafi school in wudu, the Shafi'i school in prayer, and the Hanbali school in marriage because impermissible mixing between schools (talfiq), as the Yemeni Imam Ibn Ziyad al-Shafi'i said, is “to join between two schools on a single issue in a manner that makes it invalid according to both schools”, such as if one makes wudu and follows the Shafi'i school by wiping less than a quarter of the head and then touches a woman who is not a close relative and follows the Hanafi school by not repeating one's wudu. In this case, one's wudu will be invalid according to both schools because the Hanafis hold that it is obligatory to wipe [h: at least] a quarter of the head (and he has not done this) and the Shafi'is hold that touching a woman who is not a close relative (mahram) invalidates one's wudu (and he has touched [h: a non-mahram] and not repeated his wudu).

    Shaykh Ibn Hajar, however, said that impermissible mixing between schools (talfiq) can also occur between two separate issues, such as wudu and prayer. According to him, then, both one's wudu and prayer must be valid according to a single school in order for one to have validly made taqlid.

    The great scholar 'Abd al-Rahman al-Mashhur said in Bughyat al-Mustarshidin (p. 9), “Ibn Hajar's position is more cautious and that of Ibn Ziyad is more suitable for the commonality ('awamm).”

    Amjad Rasheed
    Amman, Jordan..."

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    Caplets Note: This post is not necessarily an endorsement ( nor criticism) of Talfiq.

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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

    Quote Originally Posted by ahmedc123 View Post
    Yes, totally agree with the brothers video, it makes complete sense. We are Muslims that follow the Quran & Sunnah, the madhabs arose from scholars of different lands, times, and available hadith, and scholastic principles, so obviously there is going to be some differences, but now we are so fortunate to have all of the knowledge before us, so we must utilise all of the Islamic knowledge to arrive at the best decisions


    You are wrong brother, read this, short article, it will tell you the essentials :

    http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/misc/mhfatwa.htm
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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

    Right, I'm only going to say this once as it's prohibited in this forum to get into sectarian arguments

    We've been bickering a bit about who are the rightly guided etc etc...

    But there's one essential thing connected with this 'debate' which is very very serious and its about time I introduced it all to you. That is, it shows how we should really give this topic SERIOUS consideration and endeavour to get to the truth because ONLY ONE GROUP WILL MAKE IT TO JANNAH and those who get it wrong... Will have to remain in hell temporarily before jannah

    (1) Imam Abu Dawood (Rahimahullah) has quoted the well known Hadith concerning the division of the Muslim Ummah into seventy-three sects in his Sunan (3/4580, English edn):

    Abu Amir al-Hawdhani said, “Mu’awiyah ibn Abi Sufyan (may Allah be pleased with him) stood among us and said, ‘Beware! The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) stood among us and said’: ‘Beware! The People of the Book before (you) were split up into 72 sects, and this community will be split up into 73, seventy-two of them will go to Hell and one of them will go to Paradise, and it is the majority group (Jama’ah).’

    Walaikum Salaam wr ulllah!
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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed. View Post
    Right, I'm only going to say this once as it's prohibited in this forum to get into sectarian arguments

    We've been bickering a bit about who are the rightly guided etc etc...

    But there's one essential thing connected with this 'debate' which is very very serious and its about time I introduced it all to you. That is, it shows how we should really give this topic SERIOUS consideration and endeavour to get to the truth because ONLY ONE GROUP WILL MAKE IT TO JANNAH and those who get it wrong... Will have to remain in hell temporarily before jannah

    (1) Imam Abu Dawood (Rahimahullah) has quoted the well known Hadith concerning the division of the Muslim Ummah into seventy-three sects in his Sunan (3/4580, English edn):

    Abu Amir al-Hawdhani said, “Mu’awiyah ibn Abi Sufyan (may Allah be pleased with him) stood among us and said, ‘Beware! The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) stood among us and said’: ‘Beware! The People of the Book before (you) were split up into 72 sects, and this community will be split up into 73, seventy-two of them will go to Hell and one of them will go to Paradise, and it is the majority group (Jama’ah).’

    Walaikum Salaam wr ulllah!
    Fear Allah Subhanahu wa Taala for changing words of Hadith. No where in Hadith it said that it will be a majority group. Word used in Hadith is Jama’ah and in other Hadiths it is proven that Jama’ah means a group of people who follow the way of prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his companions. I have discussed this previously in my post#37 & 39 on this thread.
    Below is link to the same video I shared previously explaining how Ibn Masood understood the meaning of word Jama’ah.


    I pray to Allah to guide us all and keep us away from arguments. Allah surely guide those who are sincere and the path of guidance may not be easy for one to follow because it may be against popular opinion. So I pray to Allah to guide us all to the straight path and make it easy for us to follow His guidance. Ameen!

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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

    Greetings and peace be with you Caplets;

    Quote Originally Posted by Caplets View Post
    Ḥāfidh ibn Rajab quotes Imām Ash-Shāfi'ī:

    "... He also used to say, “I never debated someone desiring that he errs, nor have I debated someone worrying about whether the truth would be clarified on his tongue, or on mine.” This was because their debating was solely for the sake of clarifying the command of Allāh and His Messenger , and was not for the sake of winning (the argument), or for the sake of personal recognition..."
    Thanks for sharing.

    I believe 'Truth' must inspire us to do something. I Believe all truth must lead to compassion, kindness, mercy and forgiveness. This will bring us closer to Allah and closer to all our neighbours. I believe we should use truth more to try and change ourselves rather than to try and change other people.

    May you all be blessed through your journey through life.

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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

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    Greetings and peace be with you Caplets;



    Thanks for sharing.

    I believe 'Truth' must inspire us to do something. I Believe all truth must lead to compassion, kindness, mercy and forgiveness. This will bring us closer to Allah and closer to all our neighbours. I believe we should use truth more to try and change ourselves rather than to try and change other people.

    May you all be blessed through your journey through life.

    Eric
    Hi Eric

    Yes you're right it's very important to primarily focus on oneself and change oneself for the better, but since religion is about saving from the hellfire, one has to try and save others too
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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

    Hi Abu and welcome back to the forum, your key board must be close to overheating today! Wow!

    Quote Originally Posted by Abu-Abdullah View Post
    Hi Eric

    Yes you're right it's very important to primarily focus on oneself and change oneself for the better, but since religion is about saving from the hellfire, one has to try and save others too
    I do believe we can influence others primarily by the way we change ourselves first.

    Keep up the good work, blessings,

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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric H View Post
    Hi Abu and welcome back to the forum, your key board must be close to overheating today! Wow!
    Eric
    LOL! I'm catching up on years of inactivity
    Last edited by Abu-Abdullah; 4 Weeks Ago at 03:29 PM.


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