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    Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

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    The Muslims Are One Group & One Party


    From the words of the Shaykh , al-'Allāmah, Hamood bin 'Uqalā' Ash-Shu'aybī (may Allāh have mercy on him):

    "Question: What do you – may Allāh safeguard you – say in relation to belonging the Islamic groups?

    Shaykh Hamood replied: The Muslimūn are one group and one party; they are those who are upon the Book and the Sunnah. However, it is these groups today that have weakened the da’wah and divided the ummah into various sects and parties. So this is the Tablighī group; this is the Salafī group – those who falsely attribute themselves to Salafīyyah – and this is the Ikhwān group, and so on.

    Those who agree with the Book and the Sunnah from these various groups are the ones upon the truth. In terms of dispersion, fragmentation, and separation, then this evil happened from the enemies of the Muslimīn; because the enemies of Islām realize that the authentic Islām poses a danger to them. Due to that they make efforts to divide the Muslimīn so that the Muslimīn do not become established.

    This separation is not permissible and weakens the ummah; it is obligatory upon everyone to unite upon the Book and the Sunnah, and to give aid among the Muslimīn. As for every group who curses and insults the other, then it is erroneous and not permissible. He (ta‘ālā) said, “ And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allah (i.e. this Qur'ān), and be not divided among yourselves, and remember Allāh's Favour on you, for you were enemies one to another but He joined your hearts together, so that, by His Grace, you became brethren (in Islamic Faith)1..." And He (ta‘ālā) said, "And verily, this 2 is my Straight Path, so follow it, and follow not (other) paths, for they will separate you away from His Path. This He has ordained for you that you may become Al-Muttaqūn." 3

    The Muslimīn being united is a root of strength and honor, along with a means for victory...." - End

    Adaptation of Eng. Transfer. (Original Arabic : http://www.al-oglaa.com/?section=subject&SubjectID=21 )

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    1 Āle Imrān (3), 103.
    2 i.e. Allāh's Commandments mentioned in the above two Verses 151 and 152.
    3 Al-An'ām (6), 153.
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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

    السلام عليكم

    Be One Ummah Over Our Enemies


    Shaykh Muhammad bin Sālih Al-'Uthāymīn (May Allāh have mercy on him):

    " ... We must be one Ummah, and if we disagree with each other in opinion, does that mean we split in parties: he's ikhwānī from the Muslim Brotherhood, he's Tablīghī , he's Salafī. This is not permissible at all [ اطلاقا] , all these names must be eliminated [تزول ] and we be one nation, and one party over our enemies."

    [Explanation of the book 'Hilyah Tālib Al-' ilm' , 329]

    السلام عليكم

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    Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

    “Your soul is just like your enemy; if it finds you serious, it will obey you. But if it finds you weak, it will take you as a prisoner.”

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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

    Assalam o alaikum rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu,

    Muslims countries are also divided due to their politic, tribe, nationalism. They only raised voice for Kashmiri brothers and sisters and not other suffering.

    May Allah grant us victory over enemies
    JazakAllah khair
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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

    MashAllah what a great thread!

    That's right, there shouldn't be different sects and we all should be under the banner of ahlus sunnah wal jammah, or 'Sunni' for short

    Tablighi is not a sect by the way, it just means a person who gives dawah

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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed. View Post
    MashAllah what a great thread!

    That's right, there shouldn't be different sects and we all should be under the banner of ahlus sunnah wal jammah, or 'Sunni' for short

    Tablighi is not a sect by the way, it just means a person who gives dawah
    You know how funny is that right? Just few minutes ago you were advocating for Barelvi sect in a different thread and now you want to get rid of sects. Say what you believe and believe what you say. By the way Ahlus sunnah wal jammah is a sect as well, because by saying that you imply that shias are kaffir.

    The only right term is Muslim based on Quran and Hadith.

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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

    Quote Originally Posted by HabibUrrehman View Post
    You know how funny is that right? Just few minutes ago you were advocating for Barelvi sect in a different thread and now you want to get rid of sects. Say what you believe and believe what you say. By the way Ahlus sunnah wal jammah is a sect as well, because by saying that you imply that shias are kaffir.

    The only right term is Muslim based on Quran and Hadith.
    Assalaamu alaikum

    Everyone claims that they are following Qur'an and Sunnah but everyone is NOT following the Qur'an and Sunnah properly. People are following different interpretations and hence it is inevitable to have disagreements.
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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

    Quote Originally Posted by HabibUrrehman View Post
    You know how funny is that right? Just few minutes ago you were advocating for Barelvi sect in a different thread and now you want to get rid of sects. Say what you believe and believe what you say. By the way Ahlus sunnah wal jammah is a sect as well, because by saying that you imply that shias are kaffir.

    The only right term is Muslim based on Quran and Hadith.
    LOL I think the whole thread is funny brother. I was commending our brother Caplets good intention

    Salih Al munajjid dissents against the main body of Islam and then HE tells us to remain together as one?????

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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

    I don't like 'sectarian' debates so I'll just leave you guys with 'our side of the evidences' to whoever is interested

    http://masud.co.uk/who-are-the-ahl-a...ah-wal-jamaah/

    Who are the Ahl as-Sunnah wa'l Jama'ah? | masud.co.uk
    Many people today like to classify themselves as belonging to the Saved Sect (Firqatun-Najiyyah) - Ahl as-Sunnah Wa'l Jama'ah; but do these people really know...

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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

    Quote Originally Posted by bint e aisha View Post
    Assalaamu alaikum

    Everyone claims that they are following Qur'an and Sunnah but everyone is NOT following the Qur'an and Sunnah properly. People are following different interpretations and hence it is inevitable to have disagreements.
    Disagreements are not a problem as long as these don't lead to shirk. Have you seen what Barelvi's do? See links below to watch evil things they do at the name of Islam.
    https://youtu.be/KILEnBOKqfI
    https://youtu.be/cU2mEfdX1Ow
    https://youtu.be/Gz17T7CqygM

    Indeed this is the cancer we need to combat within Islam.

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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

    Assalam o Alaikum rahmatullahi barakahtu

    Can we please stay as one party? Can we just call ourselves Muslims? I know that Allah guides whoever He wills. It is my dream that I see my ummah as one, not calling each other by so called "sects". rather than Sunni or Shia, let us call ourselves Muslims instead. Lets bring peace and justice together.

    JazakAllah Khair.
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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed. View Post
    I don't like 'sectarian' debates so I'll just leave you guys with 'our side of the evidences' to whoever is interested

    http://masud.co.uk/who-are-the-ahl-a...ah-wal-jamaah/

    Who are the Ahl as-Sunnah wa'l Jama'ah? | masud.co.uk
    Many people today like to classify themselves as belonging to the Saved Sect (Firqatun-Najiyyah) - Ahl as-Sunnah Wa'l Jama'ah; but do these people really know...
    With in Hanafi Muslims you have Barelvi's and Deubandi and they both call each other Kaffir. That's the evil which sects bring to Islam, don't call it difference of opinion as it is not difference of opinion it is deviation from straight path.

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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

    Quote Originally Posted by HabibUrrehman View Post
    Disagreements are not a problem as long as these don't lead to shirk. Have you seen what Barelvi's do? See links below to watch evil things they do at the name of Islam.
    https://youtu.be/KILEnBOKqfI
    https://youtu.be/cU2mEfdX1Ow
    https://youtu.be/Gz17T7CqygM

    Indeed this is the cancer we need to combat within Islam.
    Respected brother, if you agree with the advice of Shaykh Muhammad bin Sālih Al-'Uthāymīn RA then you should simply follow it. You should not call them Barelvis, just point out their bad actions but drop the names and labels. That's what I've understood from this advice:

    all these names must be eliminated [تزول ] and we be one nation, and one party over our enemies.

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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

    Quote Originally Posted by bint e aisha View Post
    Respected brother, if you agree with the advice of Shaykh Muhammad bin Sālih Al-'Uthāymīn RA then you should simply follow it. You should not call them Barelvis, just point out their bad actions but drop the names and labels. That's what I've understood from this advice:


    I am all for it and that's what I advocate as well. But if someone is misusing Islam at the name of "difference of opinion" then we should not be quite. As I said previously its not just difference of opinion, its deviation from straight path and Shirk. Lowest level of imaan is considering something bad in your heart. The least we can do is to despise the evil practices they are introducing in Islam.

    Did you watch the videos and do you want to endorse what these videos show? Do you think that's Islam? Do you think we should not speak about those who do evil things at the name of Islam? If so why criticizing ISIS and Taliban? They also call themselves Muslim and we don't know what's their intention?

    You may close your eyes but I am sorry, I can't tolerate such behavior at the name of uniting the Muslims.
    Below are some of the evils which the videos show:

    -Worshipping graves; that's Shirk and has nothing to do with Islam.
    -Dancing at the name of Mawlid, that's why we call it bidah. It is something Prophet PBUH, his companions or even Imam Abu Hanifa never did. But this so called sect established in 1856 apparently understood Islam better than most of the Muslims.
    -Prostrating to another human being; that's Shirk, something criticized in Quran.
    -Asking Prophet PBUH for help instead of Allah is not Islam; that's shirk as well.
    -Considering Prophet PBUH light and not human being is not Islam; denying Quran.
    -Considering that Prophet PBUH has not left this world but is present (Hazir-o-Nazir) at all times and watching his believers, that's not what Quran teaches. Again something which has no basis in Quran and hadith.

    Above are the few things I have called out & clearly these are not just matters of difference in opinion.

    Anyways my intention is not to hurt anyone's feelings but truth shall be told. Certainly Allah guides those whom He wills. I sincerely ask Muslims to follow what Quran and Sunnah says and stop following your sects and Imams you promote sects within Islam.

    Please ponder over these hadiths:

    You will follow the ways of those nations who were before you, span by span and cubit by cubit (i.e., inch by inch) so much so that even if they entered a hole of a mastigure, you would follow them. We said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! (Do you mean) the Jews and the Christians?" He said, "Whom else?"[Sahih al-Bukhari 7320; In-book reference: Book 96, Hadith 50]


    Now look at some the things I pointed out above and tell me if it is a coincidence that Barelvism came into being in 1856 and they started following something which is more close to Christianity such as asking Prophet PBUH to help them instead of Allah, and considering Prophet PBUH is Divine and present everywhere. Celebrating Prophet's birthday when most Muslims don't celebrate it? It is not coincidence, in facts many signs of the hours have been fulfilled. Do they think they will go to heaven just because they call themselves Muslims? Let's see what Prophet PBUH said:

    All my followers will enter Paradise except those who refuse." They said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! Who will refuse?" He said, "Whoever obeys me will enter Paradise, and whoever disobeys me is the one who refuses (to enter it).
    [Sahih al-Bukhari 7280; In Book Reference: Book 96, Hadith 12]


    I will be at my Lake-Fount (Kauthar) waiting for whoever will come to me. Then some people will be taken away from me whereupon I will say, 'My followers!' It will be said, 'You do not know they turned Apostates as renegades (deserted their religion).' (Ibn Abi Mulaika said, "Allah, we seek refuge with You from turning on our heels from the (Islamic) religion and from being put to trial").[Sahih al-Bukhari 7048; In-book reference : Book 92, Hadith 1]


    I am not sure about you guys but when I read these hadiths, it gives me goosebumps. I can't imagine to risk my salvation just to defend a false belief (which has no evidence from Quran and Sunnah) in any particular sect. Allah knows my intention is not to hurt feeling of anyone (especially Muslims) and I am only calling people to the straight path - path of our beloved prophet Muhammad PBUH. May Allah opens our hearts to see the reality of that day when no one will be able to help us and may Allah help us understand Quran and Sunnah! Ameen!

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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

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    I am all for it and that's what I advocate as well. But if someone is misusing Islam at the name of "difference of opinion" then we should not be quite. As I said previously its not just difference of opinion, its deviation from straight path and Shirk. Lowest level of imaan is considering something bad in your heart. The least we can do is to despise the evil practices they are introducing in Islam.

    Did you watch the videos and do you want to endorse what these videos show? Do you think that's Islam? Do you think we should not speak about those who do evil things at the name of Islam? If so why criticizing ISIS and Taliban? They also call themselves Muslim and we don't know what's their intention?

    You may close your eyes but I am sorry, I can't tolerate such behavior at the name of uniting the Muslims.
    Below are some of the evils which the videos show:

    -Worshipping graves; that's Shirk and has nothing to do with Islam.
    -Dancing at the name of Mawlid, that's why we call it bidah. It is something Prophet PBUH, his companions or even Imam Abu Hanifa never did. But this so called sect established in 1856 apparently understood Islam better than most of the Muslims.
    -Prostrating to another human being; that's Shirk, something criticized in Quran.
    -Asking Prophet PBUH for help instead of Allah is not Islam; that's shirk as well.
    -Considering Prophet PBUH light and not human being is not Islam; denying Quran.
    -Considering that Prophet PBUH has not left this world but is present (Hazir-o-Nazir) at all times and watching his believers, that's not what Quran teaches. Again something which has no basis in Quran and hadith.

    Above are the few things I have called out & clearly these are not just matters of difference in opinion.

    Anyways my intention is not to hurt anyone's feelings but truth shall be told. Certainly Allah guides those whom He wills. I sincerely ask Muslims to follow what Quran and Sunnah says and stop following your sects and Imams you promote sects within Islam.

    Please ponder over these hadiths:



    Now look at some the things I pointed out above and tell me if it is a coincidence that Barelvism came into being in 1856 and they started following something which is more close to Christianity such as asking Prophet PBUH to help them instead of Allah, and considering Prophet PBUH is Divine and present everywhere. Celebrating Prophet's birthday when most Muslims don't celebrate it? It is not coincidence, in facts many signs of the hours have been fulfilled. Do they think they will go to heaven just because they call themselves Muslims? Let's see what Prophet PBUH said:





    I am not sure about you guys but when I read these hadiths, it gives me goosebumps. I can't imagine to risk my salvation just to defend a false belief (which has no evidence from Quran and Sunnah) in any particular sect. Allah knows my intention is not to hurt feeling of anyone (especially Muslims) and I am only calling people to the straight path - path of our beloved prophet Muhammad PBUH. May Allah opens our hearts to see the reality of that day when no one will be able to help us and may Allah help us understand Quran and Sunnah! Ameen!
    I am all for it and that's what I advocate as well. But if someone is misusing Islam at the name of "difference of opinion" then we should not be quite. As I said previously its not just difference of opinion, its deviation from straight path and Shirk. Lowest level of imaan is considering something bad in your heart. The least we can do is to despise the evil practices they are introducing in Islam.
    I agree.


    Did you watch the videos and do you want to endorse what these videos show? Do you think that's Islam?
    Why do you think I will endorse that? It is clearly shirk and bid'ah and the practices of jahiliah and not Islam.

    Do you think we should not speak about those who do evil things at the name of Islam?
    Absolutely not. We should speak against this shirk and bid'ah since 'Amr bil ma' roof and nahi 'anil munkar is fardh upon us.

    If so why criticizing ISIS and Taliban? They also call themselves Muslim and we don't know what's their intention?
    ISIS is just a bunch of terrorists and khawarij. However I believe that Afghan Talibans are good practicing Muslims. Allah ta'ala knows best.

    I agree with the rest of your post. And ameen to the dua at the end.
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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

    Quote Originally Posted by HabibUrrehman View Post
    You know how funny is that right? Just few minutes ago you were advocating for Barelvi sect in a different thread and now you want to get rid of sects. Say what you believe and believe what you say. By the way Ahlus sunnah wal jammah is a sect as well, because by saying that you imply that shias are kaffir.

    The only right term is Muslim based on Quran and Hadith.
    Brother, you sometimes bewilder me.

    You portray yourself as a staunch Salafi however you're a shia lover when Salafi's themselves do takfir on 12er Shias! :

    The Shi’ah have many sects... some are kaafirs and some are not kaafirs.

    Among the most evil of them are the Imamis, Ithna ‘Asharis and Nusayris, who are called al-Raafidah because they rejected (rafadu)

    https://islamqa.info/en/answers/9744...bout-the-shiah

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    I agree.


    Why do you think I will endorse that? It is clearly shirk and bid'ah and the practices of jahiliah and not Islam.


    Absolutely not. We should speak against this shirk and bid'ah since 'Amr bil ma' roof and nahi 'anil munkar is fardh upon us.


    ISIS is just a bunch of terrorists and khawarij. However I believe that Afghan Talibans are good practicing Muslims. Allah ta'ala knows best.

    I agree with the rest of your post. And ameen to the dua at the end.
    My heart cries when I see people with majority Muslim population do such evils. Its pure ignorance; we have moral duty to speak against it and call people to the good. If we truly follow Islam, Muslim countries shall become a model for non-Muslim countries to look at and follow. If we can't implement Islam in Muslim countries then I am not sure where else we can. People in the West look at the mess we are in and they think that something is wrong with Islam. In reality, many so-called Muslims are worse than non-Muslims. For many Muslims there culture is more important than Islam. Just look at some of the marriages in India and Pakistan, they follow everything but Islam when they are getting married. Those who want to get married in Islamic way of simplicity are mocked by their own Muslim family members. These so-called Muslims are stubborn and unwilling to change where as Allah is guiding some of the non-Muslims to accept Islam. This reminds me of the verse in Quran:

    …...And if you turn away, He will replace you with another people; then they will not be the likes of you. [Quran 47:38]
    Anyways this does not mean all Muslims are bad but those who are good are very few.
    May Allah make us among those who truly follow Islam at all costs and make us humble servants of Allah SWT. Ameen!
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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

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    With in Hanafi Muslims you have Barelvi's and Deubandi and they both call each other Kaffir. That's the evil which sects bring to Islam, don't call it difference of opinion as it is not difference of opinion it is deviation from straight path.
    Berelwi and deobandi is only restricted to a small number of Muslims in the Indian subcontinent and its diaspora. They do takfir to each other out of ignorance. It takes a great intellectual to set things right. Here's the lowdown on their differences:

    https://archive.org/stream/NuhHaMimK...akfir_djvu.txt

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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed. View Post
    Brother, you sometimes bewilder me.

    You portray yourself as a staunch Salafi however you're a shia lover when Salafi's themselves do takfir on 12er Shias! :

    The Shi’ah have many sects... some are kaafirs and some are not kaafirs.

    Among the most evil of them are the Imamis, Ithna ‘Asharis and Nusayris, who are called al-Raafidah because they rejected (rafadu)

    https://islamqa.info/en/answers/9744...bout-the-shiah
    Thats the problem brother Ahmed. Just like you have so called evidences for your belief system, Shias have the evidence too. You are calling them kaffir while some of them call Sunni Muslims Kaffir. Within Sunnis, there are several sects and most of them call each other kaffir. If that's the way to practice Islam then everyone is kaffir according to someone. I honestly don't listen to any Imam who promotes any particular sect and declares that followers of such and such sect are superior over others. That's the problem that we have religious scholars who divide people. I am not saying all of them are like this but it is a reality that most of the Muslim scholars today promote hate among Muslims. That's the reason first one to be thrown in the hell fire will be people of knowledge. May Allah save us from those! Ameen!

    If you ever go for Hajj, you will see true colors of Islam. People from every part of the world come to please Allah SWT. There are people of all colors, all ages, different sects but they all perform same rituals on the same days and in the same way. Everyone puts their differences aside and try to be better Muslims based on Quran and Sunnah. Everyone prays behind one Imam even if that Imam follows a different madhab than theirs. That's the Islam I love and that's the Islam we need to bring in our lives.

    We need to look at what can bring Muslims together. Can we all agree on Quran? Yes we can.
    Does Quran teach to follow the Sunnah of Prophet PBUH? It does. In fact that's the only way for acceptance of our ibadah (worship).
    Are Hadith preserved? Yes, Allah has blessed our scholars to preserve every tiny details of this religion. We can disagree on following weak hadiths but can we all agree on following Sahih hadiths? I think we can.
    Should we be divided into sects based on Madhabs? I don't think Quran promotes that and we have seen that it only divides Muslims.

    With that said, I can share some of my personal details so that my opinions don't bewilder you. I am not a salafi, or shia or Sunni. I am proud to be a Muslim. I don't follow any particular madhab. I sincerely pray to Allah to show me the right path, I read Quran and Sahih hadith to the best of my ability and base my opinion on the teachings of Quran and hadith (Mostly Bukhari & Muslim). I also read books from several Islamic scholars and listen to scholars who strictly follow Quran and Sunnah. However, I don't follow them blindly and don't take their word as my religion. I compare what they say against Quran and Sunnah and if they promote something different than Quran and Sunnah I stop listening to them. I used to be Hanafi but ever since I left following a madhab, it has forced me to learn the religion and my knowledge of Islam has only increased Alhamdulillah. I do Istikhara and keep asking Allah to firm my heart on things which will make me closer to Him. I am not so rigid in my belief system and is always open to change them if I can found a Quranic verse and sahih hadith contradicting what I believe.

    Islam is very simple religion and most of the time we really don't need to know fiq as much as we think. Even if we do, we can read opinions of all 4 madhabs and see what justification they have from Quran and Sunnah. Do Istikhara and follow what our heart is content with. There is no need for shopping a fatwa to justify my actions because I know Allah knows what's in my heart and all what really matters is how much effort I made to come to my decision. An educated decision is better than following something blindly.
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    Re: Combating The Cancer Of Sectarianism : The Muslims Are One Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed. View Post
    Berelwi and deobandi is only restricted to a small number of Muslims in the Indian subcontinent and its diaspora. They do takfir to each other out of ignorance. It takes a great intellectual to set things right. Here's the lowdown on their differences:

    https://archive.org/stream/NuhHaMimK...akfir_djvu.txt
    They did start in subcontinent but they are not restricted to subcontinent only, you can find them everywhere is the world. Here are links to some interesting videos of Berelvi Muslims in UK, just so sad to watch these ignorant Muslims.

    https://youtu.be/6eAG8lM5f1s
    https://youtu.be/bVimlAObAOU

    Below is an interesting article which says that nearly 30% mosques in UK are associated with Berelwi Muslims. That's a huge number!!!
    http://www.islamicpluralism.org/2460...-war-in-the-uk
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