Prohibition of writing (sahih) ahadith by a layman man.

**mrashidhai** · 06-01-2022

Can a person that has no formal qualification of science of hadith, write or convey a sahih hadith to others. My problem is that I am quite an educated man having done masters in Physics but have no proper qualification of hadith or sunnah. I wrote the manuscript of a book on "science of hadith" and completed 9 chapters of it. They were read, corrected and approved by a Shaikh ul Hadith of an Islamic University. As it was in final stages, I read an script in the book 'Mouzuat e Kabir' by Mulla Ali Qari (translation) that writes; "Hafiz Zain uddin Iraqi writes in his book "Al-bais ala Iklaas min Hawadis il qisaas' that "and then these story-tellers copy the ahadith of Prophet Muhammad -Peace be upon him- though they have no knowledge of truth or falsehood. He further states that even if they refer (copy) to a sahih hadith -even by chance- they commit sin because what they are copying, for that they have no knowledge of it. They will even be sinner if what is stated in the hadith is correct. He further says that it is not 'halal' for them to copy ahadith even from Bukhari or Muslim, till they don't get a proper education/knowledge from an authorized 'mohaddith'.

After reading this 'fatwa' from Mulla Ali Qari I stopped working on the manuscript of my book on 'Science of hadith'.
Is this my decision OK or should I continue to complete my work (that is in English).

**Pure Purple** · 06-01-2022

Originally Posted by mrashidhai

Can a person that has no formal qualification of science of hadith, write or convey a sahih hadith to others. My problem is that I am quite an educated man having done masters in Physics but have no proper qualification of hadith or sunnah. I wrote the manuscript of a book on "science of hadith" and completed 9 chapters of it. They were read, corrected and approved by a Shaikh ul Hadith of an Islamic University.

Assalam Alaikum

Which islamic university is this.I dont think scholars would approve anything from person who has no formal education in science of hadeeth.
Are u just copying or transferring it or making some changes as well ?

**mrashidhai** · 06-09-2022

1- It was/is jama e Abu Bakria, Gulshan e Iqbal, Karachi, Pakistan. It is funded by Saudi Arabia and its degrees/certificates are approved from KSA.
2- Neither I invented any new hadith nor fabricated any hadith. I fully know about the sinfulness of such an act.
3- what ever I scripted I took it from the all time great scholars of Islam. Nothing from my side, but wrote it in simplified form.
4- As I mentioned I am a student of Physics, If I write about Newton's laws, it never means I invented/discovered Newton's laws. I just wrote them in simplified form to make them easily understandable.
5- You 'THINK' ""scholars"" wouldn't approve anything from a person (that is me) who has no formal education in science of hadith.
Now my questions regarding your reply to my query are:
1- How you can think about the thinking of other "scholars".
2- What are your credentials to reply such academic question in which the 'fatwa' of Mulla Ali Qari is involved.
3- Where will you put the scholarly works of Syed Abul A'ala Moudodi, Dr. Israr Ahmad, Javed Ahmad Ghamdi. Non of the had any formal formal education from a 'Madarsa' or Dar ul Uloom.
4- When people like you will come out of this 'Madarsa' syndrome.
5- My question was from "real scholars" not 'pseudo scholars' and that too with references.

**Murid** · 06-09-2022

You brother did a great job, but it is not usual for a non formally educated person in islamic sciences to write similar books as that books are primary sources of islamic knowledge and practice.

In my country a mechanical engineer translated Quran mashaAllah.

The maybe best way out is to add an author formally educated at a well respected islamic university to revise in depth the manuscript and add his contribution.

Please try to be kind and thankfull to everyone, especially women, as this is in our deen and it can make you problems if opposite.
The sister made a legit comment, but from other cultural and less erudite/academic background and anyways, your question is not that best suited for a forum.

You did a great work, but, what I think is really needed, is to try to compile a great dua book, to research, find out and write every single hadith dua, to index them and make chapters. That is very needed in English, as there are not a lot books like Hisn Al Muslim, and I think it will sell very good inshaAllah.
It would be good to research at least sahih and hasen hadith (I think there should be at least 100 000 hadith to research) from known and kess known hadith books.
It would be great to write duas with harakat, with beautiful font, to write their translation and stated benefits, like a part of narration "...benefits, merits...". Also it would be very good to write a chapter about etiquette of dua. This book I think should be at least 2000 pages long and split into parts.
There is a similar book in my language, about 600 pages, but not containing mere 20% of duas from sahih hadith.
After you write such a book, you could write a computer app and it would be a great sadaqah jariya for you inshaAllah.
It is a great project and you should try to make a team of at least 5-6 people, a good graphic designer/caligraphy writer etc.

Nowdays there are a lot hadith online, like:
https://sunnah.com/

And it is a lot easier with computer programs islamic libraries etc.

Most people know fiqh throught religious education and upbrining, but duas are a lot less known and practiced.

Another good idea is dhikr wordings and salawat wordings from hadith.

**Pure Purple** · 06-09-2022

Originally Posted by mrashidhai

1- It was/is jama e Abu Bakria, Gulshan e Iqbal, Karachi, Pakistan. It is funded by Saudi Arabia and its degrees/certificates are approved from KSA.
2- Neither I invented any new hadith nor fabricated any hadith. I fully know about the sinfulness of such an act.
3- what ever I scripted I took it from the all time great scholars of Islam. Nothing from my side, but wrote it in simplified form.
4- As I mentioned I am a student of Physics, If I write about Newton's laws, it never means I invented/discovered Newton's laws. I just wrote them in simplified form to make them easily understandable.
5- You 'THINK' ""scholars"" wouldn't approve anything from a person (that is me) who has no formal education in science of hadith.
Now my questions regarding your reply to my query are:
1- How you can think about the thinking of other "scholars".
2- What are your credentials to reply such academic question in which the 'fatwa' of Mulla Ali Qari is involved.
3- Where will you put the scholarly works of Syed Abul A'ala Moudodi, Dr. Israr Ahmad, Javed Ahmad Ghamdi. Non of the had any formal formal education from a 'Madarsa' or Dar ul Uloom.
4- When people like you will come out of this 'Madarsa' syndrome.
5- My question was from "real scholars" not 'pseudo scholars' and that too with references.

I take my words back. People usually come here for discussion not to get fatwa.I should have been cautious while writing here though .
1.I don't have any problem with any scholars and I do listen to them as long as I am getting good advice from them.Reason I wrote I don't think because I did learn process of compilation ahadeeth from a scholar and I was amazed to know how tough the process was. People with such high ranks like Sahaba RA , tabain taba tabaeen RA went through close scrutiny to be eligible. Even if any sahab RA had a single lapse of memory in his entire life was not considered.
That's why I thought they won't allow anyone who has no formal education.The reason I ask institute's name maybe if it is well know then you don't have to worry obviously scholar there are well aware to whom they are assigning and kind of work to you is ok or not.
2.I dont have any credential at all. may Allah forgive me
3.Dr israr ahmed may Alha have mercy on him was a well know scholar I do listen to him.I never checked his eduction as he is well known I don't know if people have anything against him.
4.what do you mean by Madras syndrome? Can you elaborate?
5.
You yourself quoted this
"He further states that even if they refer (copy) to a sahih hadith -even by chance- they commit sin because what they are copying, for that they have no knowledge of it. They will even be sinner if what is stated in the hadith is correct. He further says that it is not 'halal' for them to copy ahadith even from Bukhari or Muslim, till they don't get a proper education/knowledge from an authorized 'mohaddith'."
There are plenty of good website where you can get fatwa.Or maybe someone will reply to your answer here.
May Allah forgive me InshaAllah I will be cautious next time.

**Hamza Asadullah** · 06-09-2022

Originally Posted by mrashidhai

Can a person that has no formal qualification of science of hadith, write or convey a sahih hadith to others. My problem is that I am quite an educated man having done masters in Physics but have no proper qualification of hadith or sunnah. I wrote the manuscript of a book on "science of hadith" and completed 9 chapters of it. They were read, corrected and approved by a Shaikh ul Hadith of an Islamic University. As it was in final stages, I read an script in the book 'Mouzuat e Kabir' by Mulla Ali Qari (translation) that writes; "Hafiz Zain uddin Iraqi writes in his book "Al-bais ala Iklaas min Hawadis il qisaas' that "and then these story-tellers copy the ahadith of Prophet Muhammad -Peace be upon him- though they have no knowledge of truth or falsehood. He further states that even if they refer (copy) to a sahih hadith -even by chance- they commit sin because what they are copying, for that they have no knowledge of it. They will even be sinner if what is stated in the hadith is correct. He further says that it is not 'halal' for them to copy ahadith even from Bukhari or Muslim, till they don't get a proper education/knowledge from an authorized 'mohaddith'.

After reading this 'fatwa' from Mulla Ali Qari I stopped working on the manuscript of my book on 'Science of hadith'.
Is this my decision OK or should I continue to complete my work (that is in English).

Assalamu Alaikum,

You've already asked the Sheikh to check over your compilation, so surely if he had any issues with it then he would have raised it with you. Therefore it is best to discuss any clarifications you require or any further issues regarding this compilation with him or any other Scholar you trust.