Wa Maghfiratu - ???

Assalamu`Alaykum

Yea its better not to say it. Because there is no proof for it in the Saheeh Ahadith.

Wa aleykum asselam,

JazakAllah khair for answering sister!

But is there any proof anywhere? lol Am I making sense? I'd like to know from where these words come from..

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=678...20maghfiratuhu

Salaam alaikum,
The idea is to give back more than you get.

when I say to Br. fi/qatada, he always returns .

using that principle some person who were given by him, might think that they ought to return some thing more

well theres a story yeah

about the prophet (Saw)

he was sitting down and this guest approached him and said AsalamuALaykum and the prophet replied the salaam and as the guest sat down he said asharah (10) as in 10 rewards

he continued this until the last guest said AsalamuALaykum warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh Wa maghfiratuh and the prophet (saw) said 40

InshaAllah i will come back to this thread inabit,

wan pray wiv JJ now tc Y'all

There is nothing wrong with the person who is initiating the greeting saying, “Salaamun ‘alaykum” or ‘Salaamun ‘alayk.” Allaah tells us that the greeting of the angels to the people of Paradise will be “Salaamun ‘alaykum” as He says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And angels shall enter unto them from every gate (saying):
24. ‘Salaamun ‘Alaykum (peace be upon you) for you persevered in patience! Excellent indeed is the final home!’”
[al-Ra’d 13:23, 24]
“And those who kept their duty to their Lord (Al-Muttaqoon – the pious) will be led to Paradise in groups till when they reach it, and its gates will be opened (before their arrival for their reception) and its keepers will say: Salaamun ‘Alaykum (peace be upon you)! You have done well, so enter here to abide therein”
[al-Zumar 39:73]
The salaam in this form is also mentioned in the verse where Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Those whose lives the angels take while they are in a pious state (i.e. pure from all evil, and worshipping none but Allaah Alone) saying (to them): Salaamun ‘Alaykum (peace be on you) enter you Paradise, because of that (the good) which you used to do (in the world)”
[al-Nahl 16:32]
“And when they hear Al‑Laghw (dirty, false, evil vain talk), they withdraw from it and say: ‘To us our deeds, and to you your deeds. Peace be to you (Salaamun ‘Alaykum). We seek not (the way of) the ignorant’”
[al-Qasas 28:55]
“When those who believe in Our Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) come to you, say: Salaamun ‘Alaykum (peace be on you); your Lord has written (prescribed) Mercy for Himself, so that if any of you does evil in ignorance, and thereafter repents and does righteous good deeds (by obeying Allaah), then surely, He is Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful”
[al-An’aam 6:54]
Ibn Hibbaan narrated in his Saheeh (493) from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that a man passed by the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) when he was in a gathering and said,
“Salaamun ‘alaykum.” He (the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)) said, “Ten hasanahs.” Another man passed by and said, “Salaamun ‘alaykum wa rahmat-Allaahi (Peace be upon you and the mercy of Allaah).” He said, “Twenty hasanahs.” Then another man passed by and said, “Salaamun ‘alaykum wa rahmat-Allaahi wa barakaatuhu (Peace be upon you and the mercy of Allaah and His blessings).” He said: “Thirty hasanahs.” A man got up and left the gathering and did not say salaam. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “How soon your companion has forgotten. When one of you comes to a gathering and says salaam, if he wants to sit down then let him do so. Then when he wants to leave, let him say salaam, for the one is not more important than the other.” Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Targheeb wa’l-Tarheeb, 2712.
This and other evidence indicates that there is nothing wrong with saying salaam to a person by saying “Salaamun ‘alaykum.” He will be rewarded for that, and he deserves a response to his salaam.
The scholars differed as to which version is better, al-salaamu ‘alaykum or salaamun ‘alaykum, or whether they are both the same.
Al-Mardaawi said in al-Insaaf (2/563): If a person greets a living person, then the correct view in our madhhab is that he has the choice between using the definite form (with al-) or the indefinite (without al-). And he said: this was stated by more than one.
Then he mentioned a report from Imam Ahmad which says that the definite form is better than the indefinite, and he quoted Ibn ‘Aqeel as saying that the indefinite is better than the definite.
Al-Nawawi said in al-Adhkaar (p. 356-358):
Note that it is preferable for the Muslim to say “al-salaamu ‘alaykum wa rahmat-Allaahi wa barakaatuhu”, using the plural pronoun (-kum), even if he is greeting only one person. The respondent should say, “Wa ‘alaykum al-salaam wa rahmat-Allaahi wa barakaatuhu.”
Our companions said: If the one who is initiating the greeting says, “Al-salaamu ‘alaykum,” then he has given the greeting. If he said “al-salaamu ‘alayk” or “salaamun ‘alayk” this also counts as the greeting.
As for the response, the minimum is to say, ‘Wa ‘alayk al-salaam” or “Wa ‘alaykum al-salaam.” If the waw is omitted and one says, “ ‘Alaykum al-salaam” that is sufficient and is a response.
If the person who is initiating the greeting says “Salaamun ‘alaykum” or “al-salaamu ‘alaykum,” in both cases the respondent may say, “Salaamun ‘alaykum”, or he may say, “al-salaamu ‘alaykum”. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“When they came in to him and said: ‘Salaam, (peace be upon you)!’ He answered: ‘Salaam, (peace be upon you ),’”
[al-Dhaariyaat 51:25]
Imam Abu’l-Hasan al-Waahidi, one of our companions, said: You have the choice between using the definite form (al-salaam) or the indefinite (salaamun).
I (al-Nawawi) say: But the alif and laam are preferable (i.e., saying the word salaam with the definite article al-).

What is makrooh is for the one who is initiating the greeting to say “ ‘Alayk al-salaam” or “ ‘Alaykum al-salaam,” because this is the greeting given to the dead as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said.
Abu Dawood (5209) and al-Tirmidhi (2722) narrated that Abu Jurayy al-Hujaymi (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: I came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said:
“‘Alayka’l-salaam (upon you be peace), O Messenger of Allaah.” He said, “Do not say ‘ ‘Alayka’l-salaam’, for ‘Alayka’l-salaam’ is the greeting of the dead.” This hadeeth was classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.
What is meant by the Prophet’s words “‘Alayka’l-salaam’ is the greeting of the dead” is the fact that many poets and others greeted the dead in this manner. Moreover the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is to greet the dead in the same manner as he greeted the living, by saying “Al-salaamu ‘alaykum.”
Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said, explaining that: His greeting, when he was initiating the greeting, was to say, “Al-salaamu ‘alaykum wa rahmat-Allaah” He did not like the initiator to say “‘Alayka’l-salaam.” Abu’l-Jurayy al-Hujaymi said: I came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said: “ ‘Alayka’l-salaam (upon you be peace), O Messenger of Allaah.” He said, “Do not say ‘ ‘Alayka’l-salaam’, for ‘Alayka’l-salaam’ is the greeting of the dead.” A saheeh hadeeth.
This hadeeth confused some people, who thought that it contradicted what was narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) about greeting the dead by saying, “Al-salaamu ‘alaykum,” saying the word salaam first. They thought that his words, “‘Alayka’l-salaam’ is the greeting of the dead” was describing what is prescribed, but that is a mistake which led them to think that there was a contradiction. Rather what is meant by the words “‘Alayka’l-salaam’ is the greeting of the dead” is a statement of something that used to happen, not something that was prescribed, namely that the poets and others used to greet the dead in this manner, and he did not like the greeting commonly used for the dead to become widespread.
from Zaad al-Ma’aad, 2/383

The most complete form of greeting is to say
“Al-salaamu ‘alaykum wa rahmat-Allaahi wa barakaatuhu (Peace be upon you and the mercy of Allaah and His blessings)” or “Salaamun ‘alaykum wa rahmat-Allaahi wa barakaatuhu”, because of the hadeeth of Ibn Hibbaan quoted above, and because of the hadeeth narrated by AbuDawood (5195) and al-Tirmidhi (2689)
from ‘Imraan ibn Husayn (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said: A man came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said:
“Al-salaamu ‘alaykum,” and he returned the greeting, then he sat down. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “Ten.” Then another man came and said, “Al-salaamu ‘alaykum wa rahmat-Allaah,” and he returned the greeting, then he sat down. He said, “Twenty.” Then another man came and said Al-salaamu ‘alaykum wa rahmat-Allaahi wa barakaatuhu,” and he returned the greeting, then he sat down. He said, “Thirty.” Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in SaheehAbi Dawood.
As for adding the words “wa maghfiratuhu (and His forgiveness)” or “wa ridwaanuhu (and His pleasure)”, these are not mentioned in any saheeh report from our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as was stated by Ibn al-Qayyim in Zaad al-Ma’aad, 2/381, and by al-Albaani inDa’eef Abi Dawood, 5196.

wasalaam

I can't object to (Pakistani) people saying, on departure "May God protect you"

normally when they leave, they would say اچھا جی السلام علیکم الله حافظ

“All those who plead for discarding national cultural traits or symbols do a disservice to Islam. Islam is opposed to shirk (making partners with God), but does not intend putting its followers into a uniform cultural mould.”

"He made us into tribes and cultures that we are, so that we can recognize one another, had He so wished He could have made use into one".

"Islam neither foists Arab culture or language, nor supports elimination of foreign cultures unless they are in direct conflict with Islam".

just to be on the very safe side and to avoid needless quarraling:

• Let's make as-salaamu `alaikum dominant. It is better and simpler than 20 other versions of it
• Let's greet people with as-salaamu `alaikum instead of ahlan, which leaves many non-Arabs wondering what to say
• Let's avoid using Khuda hafiz or Allah hafiz. Just say as-salaamu `alaikum as we depart as well.

We must always strive to be sensible and practical Muslims, capable of proving to the world that Islam is meant for all times and for all people of the world. This is irrespective of their race, language, nationality or native culture!

May Allah help us and guide us to rise above all kinds of schisms and prejudices!

Adapted from an essay on salaam Alaikum and its variants by Anon

many scholars agree that saying wa maghfiratu is permissable if not liked.

we have the hadeeth in abu dawud, i feel comfy saying wa maghfiratu so inshaAllah i will continue to do so.

format_quote Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim

many scholars agree that saying wa maghfiratu is permissable if not liked.

we have the hadeeth in abu dawud, i feel comfy saying wa maghfiratu so inshaAllah i will continue to do so.

meee too

jazakAllah noname bro also for narrators name

Peace.

The Ulamaah have said that the ziyaadah (extension) of "Wa Maghfiratuh" Is Shaadh (A type of Dha'eef).

format_quote Originally Posted by Al Muwahhidah

4. Shaadh hadeeth.
o A hadeeth that contradicts something that is stronger than it. The outer isnaad looks authentic (meets the first three conditions), but in the matn contradicts something that is stronger than it.
o E.g., ‘Aisha (ra) narrated that the Prophet would lie on his right side after praying two raka’ah of Sunnah for Fajr. However, one of the narrators made a mistake, and said that the Prophet (SAW) said when you pray two raka’as of Sunnah for Fajr, then lie down on your right hand side. So he changed the action in to a statement. In order to correct this you need to compare it to stronger ahadeeth, e.g. the narrators have more Dhabt.

format_quote Originally Posted by AhLÄÄM

*bump

But I don't see what's wrong if you say that?

Ahh just leave it,

If you think of it this way, In a hurry people don't wana have to reply to your asalamuAlaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh Wa Maghfiratuh!

You'll be like AsalamuAlaykum Wa... and they would've already replies wa alaykumSalaam by then, and you'd be like, well hold up young lady/man, I havn't said my wa barakatuh or wa maghfiratuh yet! *grumpy face*

The grumpy face then leads to a confused freind/neighbour/whatever

Then ...da da da

I hope you get what i mean,

Peace.

format_quote Originally Posted by AhLÄÄM

^ Not really, the people I know wait for the salaam to finish and THEN reply.

WalaykumSalaam Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh,

You're one of the very few fortunate ones, :blind:

Erm I was thinking who bumped this thread up! It's either you or bro. Osman Lol

Assalamu Alaykum WaRahmatullahi WaBarakaatuh,

But I don't see what's wrong if you say that?

As people have already mentioned in this thread, when someone greets you with Assalamu Alaykum, you should reply by adding more, for example Assalamu Alaykum Warahmatullah etc

Now we already know that extendeng the greetings with WaMagfiratuh is Is Shaadh (A type of Dha'eef), but Scholars have also said that it is permissible if not liked..

Also if people start the salam with Assalamu Alaykum WaRahmatullahi WaBarakaatuhu WaMagfiratuh, then people might try to add to that when replying which would go against the Sunnah..

And Allah knows best

WaAlaykumus Salaam