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    Prayer time differences amongst madhabs (OP)




    Ok. So I have this issue with prayer times. I don't particularily follow a madhab, well I am a hanafi...but anywho, that's really not the point.

    The point of my thread is to ask about the time at which hanafi's are 'supposed' to start praying Asr.

    I grew up praying at your usual Asr time. Over the past year or so, I have increased my interaction with people of different cultural backgrounds. These friends of mine claim that there are differences in prayer times...so this is what it sounds like:

    Friend one: Hey guys it's time for asr.

    Sevgi: Oh ok, let's go.

    Friend two: Hang on Sev, aren't you hanafi?

    Sevgi: Apparently...but I like prawns...

    Friend two: Well then you aren't allowed to pray until an hour after the other guys pray.

    Sevgi: Quoi?

    Friend two: Yeah man, you can't pray now. But you can pray till later so it's ok.

    Sevgi: Quoi ^ 10 ??

    ...at which point I trust that the way all hanafi people around me have been praying is correct and get up and pray.

    Recently, this has gotten annoying. I started thinking that culture has something to do with it. My friend told me that people in India do this etc. I know for a fact that Turkish people definitely haven't heard of anything like this. I asked my mum and some other people and they were like "Don't be silly, they are just trying to break up the community."

    To which I thought, "What community?" But anyways, I hope you guys understand me.

    Inshallah you can shed some light on my quarrel with this social imbalance. Yes, it is an imbalance.

    Anywho. Thanks in advance for any assistance and help you may throw at me.

    (Ok, I know that this is probably not the best tone for a post about prayer...but your brains are better than mine...just sub in your reader normalness.)

    Last edited by sevgi; 02-11-2009 at 03:20 PM.
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    Re: Prayer time differences amongst madhabs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abu Sayyad View Post
    The differences in opinion occur in the fiqh books because of the different methodologies in deriving rulings between the madahib. The usool are valid and correct and have a solid basis. The opinions of each are valid because of the vast acceptance of these Usool right from the time of the Imaams. So for example, there can be two different authentic hadeeth that speaks of the time of Salah Asr, and the Hanafis based on their usool (whilst taking into account the other sources of Fiqh: Qur'an, Ijma' and Qiyaas) reach a certain conclusion that says: 'The time of Asr is x'. The Shafiees do the same using their codified methodology of deriving fiqh from the same four sources and say: 'The time of Asr is y'. Neither are invalid because they took into account the same authentic sources, its just how they applied and understood the sources which makes them reach a different conclusion.

    Think of it this way: Your making fruit punch, you use four different fruits, a blender (mixer, fruit juicer w/e), and the result is the actual juice. The fruits you used are the sources: Qur'an, Ahadeeth, Ijma' and Qiyaas. You put them into the blender, the blender being Usool al-Fiqh, i.e. the methadology of 'blending' together the 'fruits'. You can say that each madhab has a different speed setting on the blender. Once you put the 'fruits' into the blender, you process the 'fruits' according to one of the 4 different speeds (madhabs). The juice that you get in the end is the Fiqh - the ruling according to which speed setting you used.

    Regarding these tiny differences, I don't see the need to distinguish the times to the extent that there end up being two different congregations at the same place amongst a group of Muslims! It displays a lack of priority and understanding. Unity is a higher obligation and thus the foremost priority than praying Asr at time x or time y. When you're in a place that is predominantly a different madhab, don't seperate yourself from them and cause a fitnah, just join in and pray. The issue is not something for which you need to seperate with each other for.
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    Re: Prayer time differences amongst madhabs

    Quote Originally Posted by sevgi View Post
    Thank you so much, Pomak.

    Btw, I never asked you. Do you have any affiliation with Skh Naeem? Random, I know.
    Lol no. Although i know Will i think studies from him or goes to a lot of his lectures.
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    Re: Prayer time differences amongst madhabs

    Quote Originally Posted by Pomak View Post
    Lol no. Although i know Will i think studies from him or goes to a lot of his lectures.
    Yeah Will does. So do the rest of the guys. I think you'd like him.
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    Re: Prayer time differences amongst madhabs

    Quote Originally Posted by sevgi View Post
    Yeah Will does. So do the rest of the guys. I think you'd like him.
    If i move closer i will most def go to his lectures. Atm its too far.
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    Re: Prayer time differences amongst madhabs

    there's a valid difference of opinion so In Sha Allah* it's alright. It's written as In Sha Allah btw.

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    Re: Prayer time differences amongst madhabs

    Quote Originally Posted by abul qayyim View Post
    there's a valid difference of opinion so In Sha Allah* it's alright. It's written as In Sha Allah btw.
    I think it won't be valid for Hanafis to pray asr at other madhab time. But if the only jamaat being prayed is the other madhab time and a hanafi will otherwise have to pray alone at hanafi time (if he's in a park or something or far away from hanafi mosque) then iirc he can pray with that jamaat and prayer will be valid as an exception is given here due to importance of praying in congregation


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