Following a discussion with my Christian neighbour I would like to know if there is any explanation as to why Jesus is coming back rather than Muhammad (pbuh). The guy talks for 80 pc of the time and usually contradicts himself, when he does listen he then replies and usually contradicts further, however he raised a good point that I had no answer for. If Muhammad (pbuh) was the last prophet, why is it Jesus (pbuh) that will return ? Whilst I am sure there is a good reason for it I dont know what it is. So please before this thread descends into a mind numbing and tedious debate that actually serves no purpose, would the members of this forum please allow my question to be answered first, thanks in advance
Last edited by Tony; 07-10-2009 at 05:17 PM.
"O ye who belive! Endure, outdo all others in endurance, be ready, and observe your duty to Allah, in order that you may succeed"
But my question takes me back to the one Tony's friend asked originally:
Why is Jesus the one who will return to earth?
To be as a Christian it seems like a very special privilege, and one I might expect to be bestowed to Muhammed as the final and most revered prophet ...
The answer may simply be because God wills it ... but it is an interesting question nonetheless (Well, I thought so! )
Does anybody have any thoughts or views with regards to this specific question?
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You see, he's the only Prophet whose followers believed that he claimed Divinity (i.e. He's God/son of God) and when he will return his main aim will be to refute this claim and bring all the people to the true faith of Monotheism.
This is an interesting thread.
I have followed some of the links, but I find that they focus very much on Jesus' humanity and on demonstrating that he is not divine. That's understandable, given that this is one of the crucial differences between Islam and Christianity.
But my question takes me back to the one Tony's friend asked originally:
Why is Jesus the one who will return to earth?
To be as a Christian it seems like a very special privilege, and one I might expect to be bestowed to Muhammed as the final and most revered prophet ...
The answer may simply be because God wills it ... but it is an interesting question nonetheless (Well, I thought so! )
Does anybody have any thoughts or views with regards to this specific question?
It is because Christians insist on calling him God and Jews insist on rejecting him. If he himself came down and refuted this, then this would shatter their religions from their roots. As opposed to Muhammad pbuh who would jsut be seen as an enemy to their version of Jesus. It is just logical.
Moreover, the end days will be a battle between polytheism and monotheism. What better way to end it than the man who is worshipped as god to come and say he was not god? And the anti-christ, a man who claims to be god, defeated by the man who was mistakenly worshipped by god?
Anyways, Muhammad pbuh did the most important thing in history, which was to give an unchanging and final scripture for all of man. Jesus pbuh is just there to prove his point and establish the supremacy of Muhammad pbuh's scripture.
Moreover, the only human who is given the power of intercession on Judgement Day is Muhammad pbuh. Not Moses, not Abraham, not Jesus pbut.
Last edited by AntiKarateKid; 07-12-2009 at 03:58 AM.
Anyways, Muhammad pbuh did the most important thing in history, which was to give an unchanging and final scripture for all of man. Jesus pbuh is just there to prove his point and establish the supremacy of Muhammad pbuh's scripture.
That reiterates my thinking, AKK.
Muhammed is the greatest of the prophets, whereas Jesus is only considered a minor prophet in Islam.
Moreover, the only human who is given the power of intercession on Judgement Day is Muhammad pbuh. Not Moses, not Abraham, not Jesus pbut.
That's interesting. I didn't know that.
Thank you
Peace glo
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I can do no other.
May God help me.
Amen.
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Actually, there is no evidence that his followers were the only ones who claimed him to be divine. Remember Uzair? And there have been more than a hundred thousand prophets. There is no way of knowing if the same divinity squabble went down with them too.
Muhammad (pbuh) is the seal and the conclusion of the teaching from G-d. It's not the issue that Jesus is a minor prophet or a major prophet. He's the prophet of his era. Muhammad (pbuh) is the prophet of this era, near doomsday era, so his teaching (scripture) is valid till the doomsday.
That reiterates my thinking, AKK.
Muhammed is the greatest of the prophets, whereas Jesus is only considered a minor prophet in Islam.
Salaam Sister Glo.
I see what you are trying to say but from my understanding by no means is Jesus PBUH a minor prophet, not at all, he is indeed one of the most noble messengers of Allah swt. I would say that Muhammad PBUH suffered a perhaps a greater deal, although they all suffered enourmously. Jesus PBUHs message lasted six years, while Muhammad PBUH message lasted 20years. And in Islam the more you patiently wait through hardship the greater your reward, probably one of the reasons Allah swt promised him Al-waselah (A rank above all other heavens).
Muhammad PBUH was aslo the one who revealed to us the Quran through Allah swt. It says in the Glorious Quran in Surah Al Anfal Ch8 V28 that Muhammad PBUH was sent down for the whole of mankind (not just Muslims). And we believe that the Quran was sent down for the whole of mankind (not just muslims). We believe that all other prophets PBUT were only sent down for that particular time, not for eternity, this includes Jesus PBUH. There message was only meant for then and there. Jesus PBUH himself says in the Bible He was only sent for the jews on several occasions ((Matthew 15:24) He (Jesus) replied, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.".....) to tell to them Islam, his teachings in respect to the Injel/Gospel was only meant for then and there.
Muhammad PBUH for this reason could be seen as more influential in Islam if that is what you meant sister Glo. As the Quran is a solution to all out problems.
But, I do appreciate what you were trying to say and often choosing the right words can be hard. But Islam considers Jesus, to be a noble and God fearing prophet PBUH, did you know the quran has an entire chapter dedicated to Jesus PBUHs mother- Surah Maryam (http://www.quran.com/19), correct me if I am wrong but I dont even think the Bible has such a thing.
But coming to your question about why is it Jesus PBUH and not Muhammad PBUH who was choosen to return to this world.
I suppose only Allah knows for sure. But to try and aswer the question...
It says in the Holy Quran:
[29:57] Everyone will taste death, then to us you will be ultimately returned.
(http://www.quran.com/29)
Now, in Islam we Muslims believe that Jesus PBUH was not crucified (watch these if you have a chance, its a debate between a christian and muslims missionary on this topic http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...B612E2946A2D15). Instead of being put on the cross Jesus PBUH was raised by Allah into the heavens to save him from such humilation, so right now he is alive, not dead. In order for Allah to keep the Quran error-less it makes sence that he must be returned to the earth to pass away.
Similarly we believe he will return to testify for Islam, after all he is the one that people refer to as 'god' or as the 'son of god' so Allah predicted this and it may be that He wanted to give him a chance to say he never preached such a thing. Or wanted to show to the people that he is just flesh and bone, the definate answer only All Might Allah knows.
It says in the Noble Quran Surah Maidah, Chapter 4 verse 116. That on the day of judgement Jesus PBUH will be asked by god if he ever asked any one to be worship and he will say "Glory to Thee! (Allah) never could I say what I have no right"
Even though we Muslims love Muhammad PBUH, we love Allah more and if Allah decread that Jesus PBUH is the one to return then Allah indeed knows best.
I dont know if that helped clear things up??
peace
edit - also if you think about it, us humans will never be happy and could say "why.." about anything. For example, in The Quran Allah is referred to as He, but we Muslims believe Allah swt has no gender. So often the question is posed why He and not she, but if Allah swt was referred to as She we would ask , why She and not He. (There is also another reason which lies in the arabic language, but my point is still there)
Last edited by bamboozled; 08-26-2009 at 01:23 AM.
...If Muhammad (pbuh) was the last prophet, why is it Jesus (pbuh) that will return ?)
I didn't read all posts...Sorry, if it is a repeat...
According to Ahmad Deedat in one of his video when he was in Birmingham(?)...(Note: according to a sheik, Mr.Deedat is not an Islamic Scholar but has a vast biblical knowledge)
"Allah has completed our Deen...
Muslim should not wait anybody to come to give a guidance...
The reason why Jesus (pbuh) will return as per accordance to hadiths...
While according to their book:
To tell them: "Depart from me, ye who do iniquity!" (I forgot this part)
This really good question. I have been pondering this question for some time. Alhamdulilah someone had already asked
I have asked my cousin, she told me this is because Jesus (peace be upon him) was raised to heaven by Allah. So Jesus peace be upon him will return to die as a human.
But another friend of mine told me Jesus peace be upon him will return to settle the dispute. He, Jesus peace be upon him will tell the Christian that he is not the son of God. He will guide other people to Islam.
Jesus died upon Calvary's Cross so your cousin is deluded.
Jesus will not claim his religion is false nor will he denounce his Sonship.
The answer to the topic is simple.
Mohammad can't leave hell to return to earth and Jesus will return in the Second Coming to make a 1000 year Kingdom here on Earth with believers.
Is that how you represent your Christian's attitudes here? throwing flames? Are you telling us we are going to Hell?
I think, perhaps you need alot of medicine to calm your mind.
"When the Qur'an is read, Listen to it with attention, And hold your peace: That ye may receive Mercy" ~ 7:204
"Then do ye remember Me; I will remember You. Be grateful to Me, And reject not Faith. ~ 2:152
We muslims actually love jesus pbuh. If you study your bible a little bit instead of listening to your priests, you will find that the lives of good muslims resemblance very closely the live of Jesus pbuh. That's because christianity totally abandoned the life and examples provided by Jesus pbuh.
and hates God will burn in hell.
I totally agree with you. Those who worship others than God will burn in hell.
Very good question. And I will put it simply, I am not speaking for all Christians, but mearly to my own study of Christianity.
%70 of Christians don’t even know who Muhammad (pbuh) is
%10 Don’t believe he is a Prophet
%10 Don’t know what Islam is about
%10 doesn’t want to believe Jesus is not their savior. (This would destroy Christianity in a whole) It’s the entire basis of Christianity. If Muhammad (pbuh) was the last prophet, Christians are in a lot of trouble.
But mainly they don’t believe that Muhammad was a prophet. This is why your neighbor I saying Muhammad (pbuh) was not the last prophet.
I would approach your neighbor with this question; if Jesus is the savior of all humanity; show this to me in the Bible? Show me where it says that He is the last prophet. Show me where it denies Muhammad was a prophet. If Jesus (pbuh) is the son of God (and this is the best one) show me where in the Bible it clearly and explicitly states that Jesus (pbuh) himself claims that he is GOD?
I have been trying to actually find this myself(thus being the reason of my consideration of Islam) I have found multiple verses and passages where someone has claimed he says he is the son of God, but most of the time he references his father, not in much difference as a Catholic calling the priest “father”. Allah is my father as well. He is the only reason for our existence.
We as Christians make the mistake in believing only what we are taught, never taking in consideration the views and beliefs of other faiths, when I say faiths, I only mean Islam. Other faiths believe in multiple God’s when we know there is ONLY ONE.
I’m sorry if I drifted of topic here but I guess it’s because I am looking for the truth as well, and am waiting to hear it. I have been a sincere believer my whole life. Plus I don’t ever drink alcohol and or eat pork (some things in the Bible most Christians don’t follow) and yes it is in the Bible. But now I question this belief. Many give me the answer “ don’t, question it, just go on faith” I am not sure that is a good enough answer for me now.
I can’t wait for the day I get to use my talents to profess to all, the TRUTH. I have been witnessing for years and still……I don’t know if what I profess is truth, and I sure do not want to stand in front of God with the wrong answer.
I would say “good luck” but I don’t believe in luck. Allah gives us the ability to speak and His prophets tell us what to say.
Let me know what your neighbor answers with.
God be with you.
Oh I also forgot that the Bible states that Jesus(pbuh) was resurected after His death, and was taken back to his father. No other Prophet claims this. The Bible says this
1 Corinthians 15 (New International Version)
1 Corinthians 15
The Resurrection of Christ
1Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
3For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance[a]: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5and that he appeared to Peter,[b] and then to the Twelve. 6After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.
9For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me. 11Whether, then, it was I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed.
The Resurrection of the Dead
12But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men.
20But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For he "has put everything under his feet."[c] Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
29Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them? 30And as for us, why do we endanger ourselves every hour? 31I die every day—I mean that, brothers—just as surely as I glory over you in Christ Jesus our Lord. 32If I fought wild beasts in Ephesus for merely human reasons, what have I gained? If the dead are not raised,
"Let us eat and drink,
for tomorrow we die."[d] 33Do not be misled: "Bad company corrupts good character." 34Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning; for there are some who are ignorant of God—I say this to your shame.
The Resurrection Body
35But someone may ask, "How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?" 36How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. 39All flesh is not the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. 40There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.
42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"[e]; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 48As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. 49And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we[f] bear the likeness of the man from heaven.
50I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."[g]
55"Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?"[h] 56The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.
That was totally uncalled for and NOT Christian belief! Hold your tounge, you have been given no right by God to judge others. Where in the Bible do you have support for these claims??? Find them and post them.
Do not speek for all Christians on your own behalf, when it contradicts what I know and believe!
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