[Tafsir Al-Qur'an] What is a Sabian?

**jama** · 07-10-2005

Salam,
I was reading the qu'ran and came across them. Anybody know who are what they/it is?
Thank-you

**Ansar Al-'Adl** · 08-24-2005

The Bible, the Holy Book of the Christians, consists of the following parts:

1)The Old Testament

As for the Old Testament, then this is the Holy Book of the Jews as well as the Christians, which they refer to as the Tanakh.
The Tanakh/Old Testament consists of the following parts:

a)Torah (aka the The Pentateuch).
b)Nev'im (aka The Prophets)
c)Kethuvim (The Writings):

2) The New testament

The New Testament is the second part of the Bible, but it is only accepted by Christians and rejected by the Jews. It consists of the following:
a) The four gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John)
b) The letters of "St." Paul (Pauline Epistles)
c) The other letters (Non-Pauline Epistles)

To read excellent comparative religion articles, please visit the following website:
http://voiceforislam.com/

I highly recommend the two books the author has written - In defense of Islam, and The Gospel of Jesus.

As for the Injeel, Tawrat and Zabur referred to in the Qur'an, then the Tawrat was the written laws delivered to Prophet Musa (as). The Injeel was the revelation given to Prophet 'Isa (as) [Read the book Gospel of Jesus for much more info on this one]. And the Zabur was whatever was given to Prophet Dawud (as), consisting of many recitals praising Allah.

I hope this helps, and indeed Allah swt knows best.

**Muhammad** · 09-06-2005

Jazakallahu Khayr for that (I forgot about this thread!) - and Alhamdulillah that clarifies a lot. One further question: is the Torah in the Old Testament believed to be (by Jews mainly) the same as the Torah which was revealed to Musa and that which is mentioned in the Qur'an?

Im just checking out the site now and Masha'Allaah it looks good!

P.S. Regarding the book: The Gospel of Jesus, is it an attempt to clarify the true version of what happened in the time of Prophet Isa (as), by correcting biblical texts and using Qur'anic narrations?

**Ansar Al-'Adl** · 09-06-2005

Originally Posted by Muhammad

Jazakallahu Khayr for that (I forgot about this thread!) - and Alhamdulillah that clarifies a lot. One further question: is the Torah in the Old Testament believed to be (by Jews mainly) the same as the Torah which was revealed to Musa and that which is mentioned in the Qur'an?

To the best of my knowledge, that's correct.

P.S. Regarding the book: The Gospel of Jesus, is it an attempt to clarify the true version of what happened in the time of Prophet Isa (as), by correcting biblical texts and using Qur'anic narrations?

What he does is he re-examines the New Testament using the Qur'an as a criterion and looking at all the various writings he puts together all that [he believes to be] authentic from the New Testament and includes the Qur'anic verses, thus creating the best representation of what the Gospel of Jesus was probably like.

**Muhammad** · 09-06-2005

Jazakallah Khayr for the clarification! I have another question after reading some of the introduction, which is regarding the following:

You can think of these gospels (notice the small “g”) as being four theologically motivated interpretations of the one true Gospel, which so far has not shown up on earth in writing.The Gospel of Jesus was a spoken message that God sent to the Children of Israel as light and guidance.

So the Injeel was not in the form of any writing then?

**Ansar Al-'Adl** · 09-07-2005

That's the way it seems based on historical/biblical evidence. The Qur'an doesn't say anything to prove contrary and it would contradict anything to assume that it was an oral revelatation as the Qur'an was.

**IceQueen~** · 05-05-2006

the 'injeel' refers to book given to prophet jesus(P)
the torah is the one given to moses and the zabur is the one given to david (peace be upon them all)

**DanEdge** · 12-08-2015

Greetings,

Interesting thread. I started re-reading the Koran and looked up the first term I did not recognize: Sabians. Apparently an ancient religious sect that early Islamic writers saw as adherents of The Book.

--Dan edge

**Abz2000** · 12-08-2015

Originally Posted by Muezzin

Mods of the forum, lend us your ears!

Ansar, Far7an, Muhammad where are you?

Brother Farhan, you were 9 years old?

**M.I.A.** · 12-08-2015

Originally Posted by kadafi

The second is the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, those who believe (in Allaah and in His Messenger Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and the Sabians [wa’l-saabi’een], and the Christians, and the Majoos, and those who worship others besides Allaah; truly, Allaah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection. Verily, Allaah is over all things a Witness”

[al-Hajj 22:17]

Who are the majoos? i googled it and they seemed polytheistic.. (magians)

maybe the punctuation in the above seemed off.

another translation:

Malik : Surely as for those who are true believers (the Muslims), the Jews, the Sabians, the Christians, the Magians and the ones who commit shirk (polytheists) - Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection; for Allah is a witness over everything.

Asad : Verily, as for those who have attained to faith [in this divine writ], and those who follow the Jewish faith, and the Sabians, 18 and the Christians, and the Magians, 19 [on the one hand,] and those who are bent on ascribing divinity to aught but God, [on the other,] 20 verily, God will decide between them on Resurrection Day: for. behold. God is witness unto everything.

Yusuf Ali : Those who believe (in the Qur'an) those who follow the Jewish (scriptures) and the Sabians Christians Magians and Polytheists Allah will judge between them on the Day of Judgment: for Allah is witness of all things. 2788 2789

Originally Posted by kadafi

“Verily, those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians [wa’l-saabi’een ], whoever believes in Allaah and the Last Day and does righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve”

[al-Baqarah 2:62]

..no mention of either in the above quoted.

my logic sound or does it not work that way "IRL"

**Abz2000** · 12-08-2015

Originally Posted by DanEdge

Greetings,

Interesting thread. I started re-reading the Koran and looked up the first term I did not recognize: Sabians. Apparently an ancient religious sect that early Islamic writers saw as adherents of The Book.

--Dan edge

Dunno why the scholars threw out the possibility of the yemeni sabeans and adopted an imaginary tribe.
The only ones who appear to be mentioned in the Quran and hadith who fit anywhere near the description are the Sabeans of Yemen who used to worship the sun and were bought back to monotheism at the hands of Sulaiman (pbuh), they also fit with the term "convert" since those considered non-jews by race who yet followed the scriptures would have retained the distinction of "convert" throughout their lives.
Those sabeans appear to have separated from Jewish rites and developed their own form of haneefism as time went by.
They may have also received prophets since they had another phase variation in the region called "Rahmanism" and the three Messengers mentioned in Surah Yaseen who's people were destroyed for their hypocrisy and kufr appear to be descendants of a monotheistic people who worshipped Ar-Rahmaan.

Here's some more reseaech material:

Banu Qahtan (Arabic:*بنو قحطان‎) Qahtanite, Children of Eber

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qahtanite
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheba
The Prophet pbuh was part Jewish!!!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahmanism

**Naveedqureshi** · 12-08-2015

Very informative

**strivingobserver98** · 12-08-2015

Originally Posted by Abz2000

Brother Farhan, you were 9 years old?

No brother that's a different Farhan. You cant have a 9 year old kid mod running around lol. I became Admin around 2014 ^.^.

**Abz2000** · 12-08-2015

Originally Posted by فرحان

No brother that's a different Farhan. You cant have a 9 year old kid mod running around lol. I became Admin around 2014 ^.^.

But you told us there's Only One Farhan.
And Beardo existed in 2011 and a 19 year old in 2015 would have been 15 in 2011 and would therefore have still been climbing into puberty.
Please clarify how the only one farhan transformed from beardo to a 19 year old admin and big boss.
poor Abz is scratching his head.

**ZeeshanParvez** · 12-12-2015

Originally Posted by M.I.A.

Who are the majoos?

Followers of the Majoosi Religion which believed that there two gods one for good and one for bad [1]

**DanEdge** · 12-13-2015

Originally Posted by ZeeshanParvez

Followers of the Majoosi Religion which believed that there two gods one for good and one for bad [1]

Greetings,

Majoosi may be analogue to Marcionism, an early Gnostic Christian group who believed in dual gods: the harsh god of the Old Testament, and the forgiving god of the New. Marcion of Sinope argued that the god of Torah could not be the same god that sent Jesus.

--Dan Edge