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    Is obeying rulers required in Islam? (OP)


    such as Islamist dictators like adnan menderes or recep tayyip erdogan?

    http://qtafsir.com/index.php?option=...=645&Itemid=59


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    Re: Is obeying rulers required in Islam?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustTime View Post
    I would not take him seriously

    why? because he's an ashari? because he's a sufi?

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    Re: Is obeying rulers required in Islam?

    And in interpreting Allah's verse: {Do they then seek the judgement of the days of ignorance?} (5:50)

    Ibn Kathir said: "Allah rebukes those who leave Allah's judgement, which contains all that is good and just and forbids all that is bad. They turn instead to the opinions, desires and laws laid down by men without any recourse to Allah's Shariah just as the people of Jaahiliyah used to judge according to misguidance and ignorance which they laid down according to their own ideas and desires. And the Tartars used to judge according to the laws laid down by their rulers taken from their king Ghengis Khan who put together for them a law book (Yasa) extracted from different laws of the Jews, Christians and the religion of Islam and other sources. It also contained many laws and regulations taken solely from his own opinion and wishes which later became a system of law followed by the people and given precedence over the laws of Allah's Book and the Sunnah of Allah's Messenger s.a.a.w Therefore, he who does that is a kafir who must be fought until he returns to the law of Allah and His Messenger, and does not govern on any matter except by that law. Tafeer Ibn Kathir Vol. 2 pg. 67

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    Re: Is obeying rulers required in Islam?

    Addressing Ibn Kathir's tafsir of the previous verse, Sheikh Ahmed Shaakir remarks: "Can it be permitted by the Divine Shariah that the Muslims rule by laws borrowed from the secular, polytheists, and atheist Europeans? This is indeed a law permeated with the whims and mistaken ideas of its promulgators, people who afford themselves the liberty of mixing it and changing it as they please. Whether this law is in agreement with the Shariah or diverges from it on a given point is a matter of total indifference to its authors.

    However, the situation of the Muslims today is worse than ever, and the Muslims are more oppressed and ignorant. This is because most of the Islamic nations have now adopted these secular laws which contradict Shariah law and which are similar to the (Yasa) which was stipulated by a kafir. These mad-made laws are laid down by people who style themselves as Muslims. They are taught to Muslim children and both parents and children are proud of them. Worse than that, they refer back to this (modern Yasa) for judgement, and look down with contempt on anyone who opposes them and anyone who calls upon them to cling to their religion and Shariah as reactionist, ultraconservative, backward and other degrading names.

    The Islamic position with regards to these man-made laws is clear as day. This is clear kufr which boldly refuses to hide itself or to attempt any deceit about its true nature." (Umdat at-Tafsir, Vol. 4, pg. 146)

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    Re: Is obeying rulers required in Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    Yes, you have to obey your ruler.
    Absolutely!!!

    From Bukhari:

    Volume 9, Book 88, Number 175:
    Narrated Abdullah:
    Allah's Apostle said to us, "You will see after me, selfishness (on the part of other people) and other matters that you will disapprove of."
    They asked, "What do you order us to do, O Allah's Apostle? (under such circumstances)?"
    He said, "Pay their rights to them (to the rulers) and ask your right from Allah."

    Volume 9, Book 88, Number 176:
    Narrated Ibn Abbas:
    The Prophet said, "Whoever disapproves of something done by his ruler then he should be patient, for whoever disobeys the ruler even a little (little = a span) will die as those who died in the Pre-lslamic Period of Ignorance. (i.e. as rebellious Sinners)."

    Volume 9, Book 88, Number 177:
    Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
    The Prophet said,"Whoever notices something which he dislikes done by his ruler, then he should be patient, for whoever becomes separate from the company of the Muslims even for a span and then dies, he will die as those who died in the Pre-lslamic period of Ignorance (as rebellious sinners)." (Fateh-Al-Bari page 112, Vol. 16)

    Volume 9, Book 88, Number 178:
    Narrated Junada bin Abi Umaiya:
    We entered upon 'Ubada bin As-Samit while he was sick. We said, "May Allah make you healthy. Will you tell us a Hadith you heard from the Prophet and by which Allah may make you benefit?"
    He said, "The Prophet called us and we gave him the Pledge of allegiance for Islam, and among the conditions on which he took the Pledge from us, was that we were to listen and obey (the orders) both at the time when we were active and at the time when we were tired, and at our difficult time and at our ease and to be obedient to the ruler and give him his right even if he did not give us our right, and not to fight against him unless we noticed him having open Kufr (disbelief) for which we would have a proof with us from Allah."

    Volume 9, Book 88, Number 179:
    Narrated Usaid bin Hudair:
    A man came to the Prophet and said, "O Allah's Apostle! You appointed such-and-such person and you did not appoint me?"
    The Prophet said, "After me you will see rulers not giving you your right (but you should give them their right) and be patient till you meet me."

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    Re: Is obeying rulers required in Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misbah-Abd View Post
    Addressing Ibn Kathir's tafsir of the previous verse, Sheikh Ahmed Shaakir remarks: "Can it be permitted by the Divine Shariah that the Muslims rule by laws borrowed from the secular, polytheists, and atheist Europeans? This is indeed a law permeated with the whims and mistaken ideas of its promulgators, people who afford themselves the liberty of mixing it and changing it as they please. Whether this law is in agreement with the Shariah or diverges from it on a given point is a matter of total indifference to its authors.

    However, the situation of the Muslims today is worse than ever, and the Muslims are more oppressed and ignorant. This is because most of the Islamic nations have now adopted these secular laws which contradict Shariah law and which are similar to the (Yasa) which was stipulated by a kafir. These mad-made laws are laid down by people who style themselves as Muslims. They are taught to Muslim children and both parents and children are proud of them. Worse than that, they refer back to this (modern Yasa) for judgement, and look down with contempt on anyone who opposes them and anyone who calls upon them to cling to their religion and Shariah as reactionist, ultraconservative, backward and other degrading names.

    The Islamic position with regards to these man-made laws is clear as day. This is clear kufr which boldly refuses to hide itself or to attempt any deceit about its true nature." (Umdat at-Tafsir, Vol. 4, pg. 146)
    what about Saudi Arabia? UAE? Oman? and surely we can avoid violence and fitnah by making slow dawah, like the Quietist salafis? and besides, it says, "unless they engage in OPEN kufr against Allah and deny you the right to practice your religion." right?

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    Re: Is obeying rulers required in Islam?

    After millions dead, thousands raped, a decade of occupation and a daily living hell, they Iraqis have learned the hard way not overthrow your ruler. Those who supported the overthrowing and participated in it are the very people now crying that they miss him.

    https://www.facebook.com/iKhabr/vide...1834240932916/


    Life was BETTER under Saddam Hussein: Iraqis say 'Tony Blair and George Bush destroyed our country...They are the devil'



    'They removed Saddam Hussein, but they didn't think about the consequences of doing so,' said shopkeeper Selman Hussein.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...try-devil.html

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    Re: Is obeying rulers required in Islam?

    Insurgency or revolt is discouraged even against tyrant ruler, as it causes cases killing, vandalism and chaos.
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    Re: Is obeying rulers required in Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustafa16 View Post
    why? because he's an ashari? because he's a sufi?
    His Aqeedah is clearly corrupt

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    Re: Is obeying rulers required in Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zzz_ View Post
    After millions dead, thousands raped, a decade of occupation and a daily living hell, they Iraqis have learned the hard way not overthrow your ruler. Those who supported the overthrowing and participated in it are the very people now crying that they miss him.

    https://www.facebook.com/iKhabr/vide...1834240932916/


    Life was BETTER under Saddam Hussein: Iraqis say 'Tony Blair and George Bush destroyed our country...They are the devil'



    'They removed Saddam Hussein, but they didn't think about the consequences of doing so,' said shopkeeper Selman Hussein.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...try-devil.html
    Indeed Saddam was a blessing to the Iraqis but the Rafidha Safawis are not suitable to rule Muslims

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustafa16 View Post
    what about Saudi Arabia? UAE? Oman? and surely we can avoid violence and fitnah by making slow dawah, like the Quietist salafis? and besides, it says, "unless they engage in OPEN kufr against Allah and deny you the right to practice your religion." right?
    Madkhalis are a lost sect comparable the Khawarij or other innovators and Rasoolillah was very clear regarding innovators.

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    Re: Is obeying rulers required in Islam?

    This is a very sensitive matter that requires a lot of consideration and critical thinking, and should be left to the scholars to analyze. Sometimes, like in this day and age, we are supposed to follow the rulers, even if they are evil, because of the status of the ummah we are so weak we cannot take any solid action. Protesting without a proper plan in place, as we witnessed it happen in syria, and many other muslim country, could only bring more destruction to the ummah.

    The Messenger of Allaah صلى الله عليه وسلم said:
    ‘I advise you to fear Allaah and to hear and obey even if an Abyssinian slave were to rule over you. For surely, he who lives from amongst you will see much differing, so it is upon you to be upon my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the Rightly Guided Caliphs. Bite on to it with your back molar teeth and beware of newly invented matters, for verily, every newly invented matter is an innovation, and all innovation is misguidance.’”
    Related by Aboo Daawood (no. 4607) and by at-Tirmidthee (no. 2676). It was authenticated by Shaykh al-Albaanee in Irwaa’ul-Ghaleel (no. 2455).

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