My neighbour's grandfather, a Hindu, who expired last week, reportedly saw the Kirama Katibin an hour before his death. He was in the ICU when it occured, he got up and asked his son "tell me, who were those two men in black writing a book"?
Re: A Kaafir saw the Kirama Katibin an hour before his death
format_quote Originally Posted by The Khan
My neighbour's grandfather, a Hindu, who expired last week, reportedly saw the Kirama Katibin an hour before his death. He was in the ICU when it occured, he got up and asked his son "tell me, who were those two men in black writing a book"?
He was 85.
AsalamuAlaykum Warahmatullah,
Can you say 'Passed away' instead of expired, I find that quite rude, ano you dint mean it that wai, but that's how it comes across, I wouldn't even use that if my pet passed away,
Having said that, if he was in a hospital, I'm guessing his health wasn't as good at it usually is, when you're in that sort of a state you usually see things that you won't normally see, or act differently from your norm or even think differently, since he was in the ICU I'm guessing it was pretty serious,
What made you think it was kiramen katibin? Could have been a nurse or two walking by and checking up on him,
Or it could have been what you guessed... Wa Allaahu Alim.
"Whoever lives amongst you will see much differing, so adhere to my Sunnah" Muhammad (صلّى الله عليه و سلم)
Re: A Kaafir saw the Kirama Katibin an hour before his death
SubhanALLAH
well a family frien df mines granmother died..ansh etoldus that her granmother would alway sask who are thosetwo mn in white sitting over there..give them something to drink
she was also old
SubhanALLAH..she died soon after..i dt know if i was that day or not
May ALLAH (SWA) have mercy on her.Ameen
Verily, His Command, when He intends a thing, is only that He says to it, Be! and it is.
Re: A Kaafir saw the Kirama Katibin an hour before his death
format_quote Originally Posted by Pk_#2
AsalamuAlaykum Warahmatullah,
Can you say 'Passed away' instead of expired, I find that quite rude, ano you dint mean it that wai, but that's how it comes across, I wouldn't even use that if my pet passed away,
Having said that, if he was in a hospital, I'm guessing his health wasn't as good at it usually is, when you're in that sort of a state you usually see things that you won't normally see, or act differently from your norm or even think differently, since he was in the ICU I'm guessing it was pretty serious,
What made you think it was kiramen katibin? Could have been a nurse or two walking by and checking up on him,
Or it could have been what you guessed... Wa Allaahu Alim.
I apologise, I shall refrain from using that term hereafter.
His son was with him all along. There was no nurse or doctor at all that morning.
format_quote Originally Posted by ayan333
SubhanALLAH
well a family frien df mines granmother died..ansh etoldus that her granmother would alway sask who are thosetwo mn in white sitting over there..give them something to drink
she was also old
SubhanALLAH..she died soon after..i dt know if i was that day or not
May ALLAH (SWA) have mercy on her.Ameen
As far as I know, if the honourable recorders are dressed in white, you're going to heaven, if black, it's hell. Prophet Muhammed (SAW) always saw angels dressed in white. Always.
format_quote Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim
subhanAllaah
kiramah katibeen are the two angels who write good n bad deeds right?
subhanAllaah
Yup. ^^
Kiramah Katibeen = Honourable Recorders.
When we (as in, Sunni Muslims excluding the Maliki) say "Asalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullah" twice over our shoulders when completing Salat, it is intended for the Kiramah Katibeen.
Re: A Kaafir saw the Kirama Katibin an hour before his death
format_quote Originally Posted by The Khan
As far as I know, if the honourable recorders are dressed in white, you're going to heaven, if black, it's hell. Prophet Muhammed (SAW) always saw angels dressed in white. Always.
Sorry this is off topic but it seems like the colour white is associated with good/noble and the colour black with bad/evil.
According to that does it mean that white people are more noble/good compared to the black people? Just curious lol.
First, look towards your right shoulder and, speaking to the angel that records your good deeds, say "assala'amu alaikum" or a better greeting (i.e. "assala'amu alaikum wa rahmatullahi").
It is optional to then turn your head and look towards your left shoulder, speaking to the angel that records your bad deeds, and give the same or lesser greeting as you did to your right.
^^what does it look like from this instruction?
do the two angels stand anywhere?
or
are they on a person's right and left shoulders?
even if it were possible to see them would it not be one at a time?
First, look towards your right shoulder and, speaking to the angel that records your good deeds, say "as sala'amu alaikum" or a better greeting (i.e. "as sala'amu alaikum wa rahmatullahi").
It is optional to then turn your head and look towards your left shoulder, speaking to the angel that records your bad deeds, and give the same or lesser greeting as you did to your right.
^^what does it look like from this instruction?
do the two angels stand anywhere?
or
are they on a person's right and left shoulders?
even if it were possible to see them would it not be one at a time?
or am I misunderstanding something
I doubt it. The Maliki Sunni don't believe that the honourable recorders are on top of your shoulders. When facing right, they say "Asalumu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullah" to the person on their right, and, if there's anyone on the left, they say "Walaikum Asalaam Wa Rahmatullah".
My mother told me of another such incident today, involving a young Muslim boy. My mother has rented out the top floor of a house, and there used to be a family living in a hut in the grounds, the watchman's family. Last year, their son was suffering from cancer, and his parents thought a Jinn took over his body, they called witch doctors, to no avail. When it was too late, they took him to the hospital, from where he had around two weeks to live. A day before he passed away, he whispered to his mother, saying that a huge palace has been built for him. The next day, an hour or so before he passed away, he told her that "two policemen dressed in white have come to take him".
I doubt it. The Maliki Sunni don't believe that the honourable recorders are on top of your shoulders. When facing right, they say "Asalumu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullah" to the person on their right, and, if there's anyone on the left, they say "Walaikum Asalaam Wa Rahmatullah".
My mother told me of another such incident today, involving a young Muslim boy. My mother has rented out the top floor of a house, and there used to be a family living in a hut in the grounds, the watchman's family. Last year, their son was suffering from cancer, and his parents thought a Jinn took over his body, they called witch doctors, to no avail. When it was too late, they took him to the hospital, from where he had around two weeks to live. A day before he passed away, he whispered to his mother, saying that a huge palace has been built for him. The next day, an hour or so before he passed away, he told her that "two policemen dressed in white have come to take him".
even more confused now, should it not have been one "policeman" to take him away. Kiraman Katibin are Not angels of death, at least in my version of Islam they are not, so there is no possibility of them being "seen" as coming to take the boy.
also
is there a gap for conversations with our relatives, between the time Azrael comes and we die?
^^ I believe this site to be a sister site of IslamonLine.net which belongs to eminent Muslim scholar Shiekh Qardawi
We cannot see the angels because they are made of things which our eyes cannot
see. But all the same, we know that they are there, because Allah has told us
so. Sometimes, we can even feel the presence of these angels.
Re: A Kaafir saw the Kirama Katibin an hour before his death
You have a point. Personally, I think that he saw the honourable recorders. The translation from Urdu to English is not 100% accurate. He was young and innocent.
I think it's possible to see angels after death or in a condition of near-death for some people. For example, the Hindu man who passed away had no idea who or what angels were, yet, he saw them.
Hindus believe in Yamraj, the God of death, who has a huge golden hammer like weapon and rides a bull. If this was his belief, he would've seen Yamraj.
You have a point. Personally, I think that he saw the honourable recorders. The translation from Urdu to English is not 100% accurate. He was young and innocent.
I think it's possible to see angels after death or in a condition of near-death for some people. For example, the Hindu man who passed away had no idea who or what angels were, yet, he saw them.
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