salaam!
i was just wondering wot sea-food is halaal and which is not...cuz i wantd to do some experiments while cooking i know fish is all halal but what about stuff like lobster??
jzk!
One question, I was once told anything from the sea is Halal....has anyone else heard this... Because sometime ago i was told oysters are not Halal... is this also true... Different people tell me different things, and when i make up my own mind after seeking the answer im told is wrong, and branded muslim imposter, funny....
One question, I was once told anything from the sea is Halal..
That`s true
format_quote Originally Posted by soloqi
sometime ago i was told oysters are not Halal... is this also true.
no it`s not
it`s halal in shaa Allah
(Say, `I find nothing in what Allâh has revealed to me that forbids the people to eat anything except it be that which dies of itself, or blood poured forth, or flesh of swine; for (all) this is unclean, or (I find that thing forbidden) what is profane, which has been sacrificed in other than Allâh's name, yet he who is constrained (to eat any of them), having no desire (for that) and having no intention to exceed the limit, (will find that) surely your Lord is Great Protector, Ever Merciful). (Quran translation Al An`am145)
Last edited by islamlover_girl; 07-11-2009 at 11:19 PM.
A straight answer, Many thanks sister, your forum ettiquete is an examples to others.
which sura is that, and where did the saying about things from the sea come from, a push in the right direction would be welcomed.
madhaab, are you refering to the Four Imams???
I believe this is why all the confusion, i just want to know the truth that all schools of thought agree on.
Which one has more credit than the others, there has to be one right.
Can we all agree that anything from the sea is halal.....
^the qur'an states that food from the sea is allowed:«أحل لكم صيد البحر و طعامه متاعا لكم و للسيارة» -chapter 5:verse 96- so that really should be more than enough, regardless of what sect/mathhab you follow.
generally speaking eating that which is harmful when consumed is not allowed-this includes the specified forbidden foods such as pure blood, swine etc-, or that which feeds on unclean food-since it would be unclean too, if it is cleaned properly though, it is allowed-, or has claws/talons, such as lions and jackals etc.
as for sea food, the animals that live their entire life at sea and are not harmful when consumed are all allowed with no exception since the verse in the qur'an is very clear and general. no specification has been confirmed for lobsters or the like, there is the view that lobsters are like insects, and since we are not allowed to eat insects so should lobsters be avoided, but lobsters-and other crustaceans such as prawns and crabs etc- are quite obviously not insects, so the qias is not valid.
Many thanks Alcurad. With regards to the swine, i have been told and come to believe that it simply is forbidden, however the reason for this is not stated.
With regards to lions and jackles, this too i have heard but is this also in a quranic verse because i could not see it in Sura 5... your help is welcomed.
swine is/are not healthy, thus are forbidden, notice how in the verses they are usually grouped with blood, and animals that had naturally or by predator/disease etc.
for a recently diseased animal, it's certainly not healthy to eat, given it's decomposing body, and potentially whatever disease might have killed it, the same goes for blood and swine.
it is allowed to eat a dead animal if you're in a situation where there is no other food, and the human body under extreme hunger produces enough chemicals to break down the meat of the animal to the extent that it's not overly harmful.
if you could change the dead animal by some process so that it isn't harmful then it is allowed to eat regardless of previous prohibition, same goes with blood & swine.
it's easier to do with blood-usually cooking cleans it, blood sausages are an extreme case, otherwise the blood that remains in the meat and cannot be easily removed is alright to consume if the meat is cooked-than with swine, I'm not sure if swine could be purified enough to begin with, so it's usually treated as a special case, although there is nothing to indicate that.
as for the forbidding of wild hunting beasts and birds of prey, it's probably to do with their diet, as well as-medically speaking- some of them are similar to us, so diseases spread more easily. if that is avoidable, or one has no other sources of food, they also are allowed.
some scholars actually allow eating animals with claws and talons, others say it is makrooh/disliked, this needs confirmation but I think Imam Malik allows eating birds of prey such as eagles etc, Iamam Al shafi'ee-and some Hanafi scholrs-allowed eating foxes.
the evidence for forbidding them is not so strong, so the scholars disagree on this, as a rule of thumb, that which is not harmful, maybe be consumed.
^the qur'an states that food from the sea is allowed:«أحل لكم صيد البحر و طعامه متاعا لكم و للسيارة» -chapter 5:verse 96- so that really should be more than enough, regardless of what sect/mathhab you follow.
generally speaking eating that which is harmful when consumed is not allowed-this includes the specified forbidden foods such as pure blood, swine etc-, or that which feeds on unclean food-since it would be unclean too, if it is cleaned properly though, it is allowed-, or has claws/talons, such as lions and jackals etc.
as for sea food, the animals that live their entire life at sea and are not harmful when consumed are all allowed with no exception since the verse in the qur'an is very clear and general. no specification has been confirmed for lobsters or the like, there is the view that lobsters are like insects, and since we are not allowed to eat insects so should lobsters be avoided, but lobsters-and other crustaceans such as prawns and crabs etc- are quite obviously not insects, so the qias is not valid.
what is a grasshopper (Shaami volume 9 page.446)?
according to the Hanafi fiqh copied from webpage of Muhammad ibn Adam
Darul Iftaa
Leicester , UK. In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,
A Islam is a religion of mercy and compassion. It only commands and prohibits that which is in the best interests of the human being. The human mind however, due to it being very limited and restricted, may not be able to understand the logic behind every ruling. It may not be able to comprehend properly why a particular ruling is given, but Allah Most High- the Merciful and All-Knowing- is the best to decide what is beneficial and harmful for us, for He is the one who created us.
Allah Most High blessed humanity with His beloved Messenger (Allah bless him & give him peace), as a light and light-giving. The Sacred Law (Shariah) of Islam that the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace be upon him) came with from Allah differentiated between a living and a dead animal. Dead animals were declared unlawful (haram). Certain animals that were harmful to the welfare of humans were also prohibited, such as pigs, dogs, cats and wild animals. Thus, the animals that have been prohibited for consumption by Shariah is due to the fact that they are harmful for human consumption, whether we realize and understand this or otherwise.
After understanding the above, it should be noted that each of the four Sunni Schools of Islamic law (madhhabs) have their own principles (based on the guidelines of the Qur’an & Sunnah) with regards to which animals are lawful (halal) and which are unlawful (haram) for consumption.
Below are the basic principles of permissibility and impermissibility in the Hanafi School with regards to animal consumption, as mentioned in the classical books of Hanafi jurisprudence. (Culled from: al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya, 5/289-291, Bada’i al-Sana’i, 5/35-39 and Radd al-Muhtar, 304-308)
1) Animals that have been clearly and explicitly prohibited in the Qur’an or Sunnah are without doubt Haram, such as a swine, donkey, etc.
2) Animals that are born and live in water are all Haram with the exception of fish. All types of fishes are Halal, with the exception of that which dies naturally in the sea without any external cause. However, if a fish was to die due to some external cause such as cold, heat, being thrown to the shore by the water, colliding with a stone, etc, then it would be Halal.
Allah Most High says:
“Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine…..” (Surah al-Ma’idah, V: 53)
In the above verse, Allah Almighty forbade the meat of all dead animals without differentiating between sea-animals and land-animals. Thus, all sea-animals would also be included in this general prohibition. However, fish has been exempted from this general ruling due to the explicit mention of its permissibility by the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace).
Sayyiduna Abd Allah ibn Umar (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him eternal peace) said: “Two types of dead meat and two types of blood have been made lawful for our consumption: The two dead meats are: fish and locust, and the two types of blood are: liver and spleen.” (Sunan Abu Dawud, Musnad Ahmad and Sunan Ibn Majah)
Moreover, there is no mention in the Sunnah literature that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) or his Companions (Allah be pleased with them all) ever consumed the meat of a sea-animal besides the fish, hence if it was permitted, it would have at least been consumed once in order to show its permissibility. (Dars Tirmidhi, 1/280)
As far as the fish which dies naturally in the sea without an external cause (samak al-tafi) is concerned, Sayyiduna Jabir ibn Abd Allah (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “What the sea throws up and is left by the tide you may eat, but what dies in the sea and floats you must not eat.” (Sunan Abu Dawud, no: 3809 & Sunan Ibn Majah)
Sayyiduna Ali (Allah be pleased with him) forbade the selling of naturally dead fish (floating fish) in the markets. (Bada’i al-Sana’i, 5/36 and al-Ikhtiyar)
In light of the above, all sea-animals are Haram except for fish. It will be permitted to eat a fish even without slaughtering it according to the rules of Shariah. However, a fish that dies naturally without an external cause and begins to float on the surface of the water (Samak al-Tafi) is also considered Haram.
3) The third principle is that, amongst the land-animals, those that have no blood in them are considered Haram, such as a hornet, fly, spider, beetle, scorpion, ant, etc.
Allah Most High says:
“…for he (the Prophet) commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure)…” (Surah al-A’raf, V: 157)
Thus, animals that don’t contain blood such as spiders and others are considered to be from “what is impure” because a sound natured person would detest their consumption.
The only exception is that of a locust, for the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) clearly permitted its consumption, in the Hadith of Sunan Abu Dawud and Musnad Ahmad quoted earlier.
Similarly, Ibn Abi Awfa (Allah be pleased with him) was asked concerning the consuming of a locust and he said: “I fought with the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) in six or seven battles, and we used to eat it (locust) with him. “ (Sunan Abu Dawud, no: 3806)
4) The forth principle is that those land-animals who have blood in them but the blood does not flow, in other words animals that do not have flowing blood, are also considered Haram, such as a snake, lizard, chameleon, etc.
5) The fifth principle is that all types of pests (hasharat al-Ardh) are also considered Haram, such as a mouse, hedgehog, jerboa, etc.
The reasoning behind the prohibition of these animals is the same verse of Surah al-A’raf quoted above, in that they are considered impure (khabith) for consumption.
6) The sixth principle is, land-animals who have flowing blood in them and they survive on grass and leaves, and do not prey on other animals (i.e. non-predatory terrestrial animals) are all considered Halal, such as a camel, cow, goat, buffalo, sheep, deer, etc, although there is a slight difference of opinion within the Hanafi School with regards to the consumption of horse-meat, as will be discussed later. Also, a donkey is exempted from this general ruling, in that its meat in considered Haram for consumption.
Allah Most High says:
“And cattle (an’am), He has created for you, from them you derive warmth, and numerous benefits, and of their (meat) you eat.” (Surah al-Nahl, V: 5)
And:
“It is Allah Who made cattle for you, that you may use some for riding and some for food.” (Surah al-Mu’min, V: 79)
In the above two verses, Allah Most High uses the term “al-An’am” (cattle) which refers to non-predatory animals, according to the unanimous agreement of all the linguistics.
As far as the consumption of horse-meat is concerned, Imam Abu Hanifa (Allah have mercy on him) considers is somewhat disliked (makruh tanzihan) due to its honour and due to the fact that a horse is needed in Jihad. Imam Abu Yusuf and Imam Muhammad (Allah have mercy on them both) consider it Halal, and it is said that Imam Abu Hanifa also retreated to this opinion. Thus, it would be permitted to consume horse-meat, although better to avoid.
With regards to the meat of a donkey and mule, Allah Most High says:
“And (He has created) horses, mules, and donkeys, for you to ride and use for show; and He has created (other) things of which you have no knowledge.” (Surah al-Nahl, V: 8)
So, in regards to all other non-predatory animals, Allah Almighty mentions that He has created them for consumption (as we have seen in the verses mention earlier). However, with regards to donkeys and mules, He mentions that they are for riding and adornment (zeenah). Had consumption of these animals been Halal, Allah Almighty would surely have mentioned it.
Moreover, Sayyiduna Abd Allah ibn Umar (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) forbade the meat of donkeys on the day of the battle of Khaybar.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no: 5202)
Sayyiduna Abu Tha’laba (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) prohibited the eating of donkey’s meat. (Sahih al-Bukhari, no: 5205)
Sayyiduna Anas ibn Malik (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that a person came to the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) and said: “The donkeys have been (slaughtered and) eaten.” Another man came and said: “The donkeys have been destroyed.” The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) ordered a caller to announce to the people: “Allah and His Messenger forbid you to eat the meat of donkeys, for it is impure.” Thus the pots were turned upside down while the (donkey’s) meat was boiling in them.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no: 5208)
With regards to the mules, Sayyiduna Khalid ibn al-Walid (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) forbade the meat of horses, mules and donkeys.” (Musnad Ahmad, 4/89, Sunan Abu Dawud, no: 3790, Sunan Nasa’i and Sunan Ibn Majah)
However, the fuqaha mention that the ruling on a mule would be that of its mother. If the mother is a donkey, then it would be definitely Haram. If the mother is some Halal animal such as a cow, it would be completely Halal, and if the mother is a horse, then the rules of eating horse-meat would apply. (See: Radd al-muhtar)
7) The seventh principle is that all terrestrial predatory animals and beasts, i.e. animals that hunt with their teeth, are considered Haram, such as a lion, cheetah, tiger, leopard, wolf, fox, dog, cat, etc.
8) The eighth principle is that all birds of prey, i.e. those that hunt with their claws/talons, are considered Haram, such as a falcon, eagle, kite, hawk, bat, etc.
The proof for both these principles (seven and eight) is the famous Hadith of Sayyiduna Abd Allah ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) prohibited the eating of all fanged beasts of prey, and all the birds having talons.” (Sahih Muslim, no: 1934)
Hence, all beasts and birds of prey, beasts that hunt with their teeth and birds who hunt with their talons/claws, are unanimously considered Haram.
9) The ninth principle is that birds who do not hunt with their claws and do not prey on other animals, rather they merely eat grains and crop, are all considered Halal, such as a chicken, duck, pigeon, dove, sparrow, crow, etc.
Sayyiduna Abu Musa al-Ash’ari (Allah be pleased with him) says: “I saw the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) consuming (the meat of) chicken.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no: 5198)
10) The tenth principle is that if a Halal animal only consumes impure things to the extent that it creates bad odour in its meat and milk, then it will be Makruh to consume its meat and drink its milk. However, if it consumes other things along with the impure, or if it does not create bad smell in its meat and milk, then the meat and milk will be totally Halal. (Radd al-Muhtar, 6/340)
It is stated in al-Fatwa al-Hindiya:
“A chicken will only be considered a jallalah (hence makruh) if the majority of what it eats is impure, and that it penetrates into the meat in such a way that it creates a bad smell.” (See: al-fatawa al-Hindiyya, 5/289)
11) The last principle is that if one parent of an animal is Halal and the other Haram, consideration will be taken of the mother. Thus, if the mother is a Halal animal, the offspring would also be Halal, such as a mule whose mother is a cow. If however, the mother is a Haram animal, the offspring would also be Haram, such as a mule whose mother is a donkey.
The above were eleven general and broad principles with regards to the consumption of animal meat, according to the Hanafi School of thought. It should be noted here that the meaning of Halal is merely that one may eat of the animal, but there are separate rules with regards to slaughtering and hunting these animals, for which one may refer to previously posted articles or the books of Fiqh. Failure to comply with these rules may well render a Halal animal Haram.
In light of the above general principles, the following is a list of Halal and Haram animals in the Hanafi School: (Both these lists of animals are not exclusive)
Animals whose meat is Halal:
1) Camel
2) Goat
3) Sheep
4) Buffalo
5) Stag
6) Rabbit
7) Cow (including mountain cow)
8) Wild-ass (The prohibition in the Hadith is of domesticated donkeys)
9) Fish (of all types, including prawns according to those who consider prawns to be a form of fish. Others however, don’t permit its consumption, for they don’t consider prawns to be from the fish family. For details, see an earlier post).
10) Deer/Antelope/Gazelle
11) Duck
12) Heron (grey or white wading bird with long neck and long legs and (usually) long bill).
13) Nightingale
14) Quail
15) Parrot
16) Francolin
17) Locust
18) Partridge (heavy-bodied small-winged South American game bird)
19) Lark (North American yellow-breasted songbirds)
20) Sparrow
21) Goose
22) Ostrich
23) Dove
24) Pigeon
25) Stork
26) Rooster
27) Chicken
28) Peacock
29) Starling
30) Hoopoe (any of several crested Old World birds with a slender down-curving bill, known in Arabic as Hudhud- that was sent by Sayyiduna Suleyman (peace be upon him).
Animals whose meat is Haram:
1) Wolf
2) Hyena
3) Cat
4) Monkey
5) Scorpion
6) Leopard
7) Tiger
8) Cheetah
9) Lion
10) Jerboa
11) Bear
12) Swine/pig
13) Squirrel
14) Hedgehog
15) Snake
16) Tortoise/Turtle
17) Dog
18) Crab
19) Jackal
20) Donkey (domesticated)
21) Lizard (The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) forbade the eating of a Lizard. Recorded by Imam Abu Dawud in his Sunan from Abd al-Rahman ibn Shibl (Allah be pleased with him). Hadith no: 3790)
22) Fox
23) Crocodile
24) Weasel
25) Elephant (Radd al-Muhtar, 6/306)
26) Falcon
27) Hawk
28) Kite
29) Bat
30) Vulture
31) Mouse
32) Rat
33) All insects, such as a Mosquito, Fly, Wasp, Spider, Beetle, etc.
simply any animal that is a 'predator' type animal has forbidden meat.. that actually would also be the case for sharks that come from the sea..
and Allah swt knows best
walaikum Salam, I personally never had the need to find out about the permissibility of lobster, in-fact I never even knew that there was a debate until I started using webforums a few years back. Even if it were halal in Hanafi fiqh I would not have bought it nor could I afford it for most of time so its pure a hypothetical discussion for me.
also is it not the case that it is boiled while still being alive, it should be haram on that account alone
I have had quite a few lobsters in my life.. I don't like them at all, I much prefer crab meat.. you are right I don't like the way they descend to their burning death.. but their meat is sort of chewy and pully for me I have no interest in it..
p.s on the note about sharks.. Sharks meat after death smells and tastes of ammonia... I don't imagine that people find that tasty but I imagine they have ways of soaking it to rid of that.. who knows..
I was taught the simple rule of not eating predatory animals and that usually covers the gamut.. unless of course you are stuck in the wilderness and have no way around it ..
and Allah swt knows best
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
hmm, actually some scientists say it's nervous system is too primitive to feel pain.
and you could always kill them first, is that really a valid reason for forbidding them?
hmm, actually some scientists say it's nervous system is too primitive to feel pain.
and you could always kill them first, is that really a valid reason for forbidding them?
the lobsters sold in the markets here are already dead...:blind:
p.s on the note about sharks.. Sharks meat after death smells and tastes of ammonia... I don't imagine that people find that tasty but I imagine they have ways of soaking it to rid of that.. who knows..
i dont know about those big man-eating sharks... but we usually eat the smaller ones... the big man-eating sharks are known as "Jerung" and those smaller one who are too small to eat us (but still, they can bite) are known as "Yu"..
we usually deep fry those "Yu" with tumeric powder... or just put those in a curry..
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