eid ul milad un nabi/peer worship
I just wanted some advice on the above.
At the weekend, there was a march where i live, basically to celebrate the above. This happens every year, and it usually has people policing the event, theres banners outside the mosque etc, but i wasnt exactly sure what happened at this event.
Whilst talking to a friend who attended the event i was a bit shell shocked at what she said, and not quite sure what to make of it all, so just wanted clarifcation.
Basically a local guy who is known as a peer, (although it wasnt passed down to him through family, he ended up gaining the "seat " through the previous person passing away) has a religious gathering at his house, on the day, the men usually hug and kiss each other, I thought this wasnt allowed in islam ?
also the women who are seated separately, they recite things and read, but this peer's wife sits on a chair and every1 else has to sit on the floor, when some1 addresses her, they hav to kiss her hand ? and sit near her feet. Also the women amongst themselves apparently show affection through the kissing of hands/neck area ? again i thought this wasnt islam related ? This event is quite big, and people from other areas/countries also attend.
during the procession, the peer who is to be referred to as hazraat sahib..(even by his kids?) ended up sitting in a carriage and then the people that were watching were chucking flowers at him ? followed by the long march by the men and then a gathering where some1 usually preaches.
First of all i dont acknowledge peer people, i know they may know a lot more than me, but i only look to god for guidance and worship him, i wouldnt dream of asking a so called peer to fix my problems or to worship him.
Im just curious, my questions are i thought physical contact between same sexes was only if it was family ? & even then limited. also why do the men kiss each other ? is this permissable ?
why does the peers wife hav to sit in a higher position ? doesnt this indicate that she thinks shes above every1 else ? In islam everyone is equal right ?
whats the purpose of the carriage, and the flowers ? is that waste of money ? and advertising ? also doesnt this look like that people are actually worshipping this guy ? instead of god ?
I thought in islam birthdays werent supposed to celebrated ?
doesnt hazrat mean prophet ?
This family is a strict one, the girls wear niqab etc & they are well respected in the community, and they often have the weekly mehfils at their house, but i just didnt know what make of all this.
anyone ?
which city is this, majority paks? and whats a 'mehfil'?
hadhrat I think means 'honoured presence'
Yh this 'Eid Milad un Nabi' is an asian bida'h, they've gone as far as creating another Eid when we're told there are only 2 Eids, it happens throughout pakistan
Peer babas are fakes who venerate themselves and take money for dua's and other crap - again another asian thing, they're commiting huge sins
Too much culture and innovations in asian communites, glad theres none of it here in leicester
Its in Leeds & yeh we hav our fair share..tbh it just didnt feel right when my friend was telling me, and i told her that just to do salah and read on her own rather than attend such gatherings. but cos the family are so highly respected i think no1 dares question them.
mehfil is when women gather and read kalimah and chant etc...not really sure theres different types of mehfils in our area.
Steer well clear of this whole set-up, regardless of if they wear niqaabs. The whole thing is wrong and against the sunnah. May Allah save us and guide us all. Ameen.
yh you best stay away from 'mehfils' another asian bida'hformat_quote Originally Posted by distressed
honestly if I was still living in my home city (pak majority) I doubt I'd ever find out how much their practices are unislamic
salaam
It would be intressting if you went up to them asked for proofs of what they do
peace
Salaam.
Eid e Milad un Nabi or Sirat un Nabi is very common in Bangladesh. Normally Muslims discuss about the life of the Prophet saw , offer darud and nafal fasting and salat . I see no problem with any of these .
It's not worshipping the Prophet saw . We dont ask Prophet saw to accept our dua.
To my knowledge , Hazrat does not mean Prophet . A respected person can be called as Hazrat .
And Allah Knows Best.
This is Rubbish! And am shocked that it happens in Europe where most people are educated... Celebrating Birthdays is haraam never mind all the other ridiculous things they do.
Peer worship is centuries old, predominant as a Sufi part of Islam. The Sajjada Nasheen (person who sits on the main carpet/chair) is considered to have divine powers. This is Muslim manifestation of Hindu concept of Man-God (or God-man hehehe), Pandit, Sage, Mystic and what not .
format_quote Originally Posted by distressed
Walikum Asalam Wr Wb!
I'll inshAllah answer it in parts.
First of all regarding Eid miladun Nabi, I think it is totally not allowed in Islam. It's a "bidaat" (something added by people which was actually not present in religion).
In my country, long processions are held where people recite "Naats" on loudspeakers etc! They carry flags as if these are the flags of Islam!
I also don't approve of these long marches and gatherings where people recite "naats" etc.
Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) never told us , his Ummah, to celebrate Eid miladun Nabi, let alone celebrating this "peer sahabs" promotion!!!
Asatghfirullah!
salaamformat_quote Originally Posted by Muslim Woman
I agree with you fully - its not just and sub continent thing but arabs do it as well as well as in malaysia and I believe in Indonesia -
But the thing about the chair I am not familiar with.
peace
Sister, doing these things in the name of Islam is actually a "bidaat" which should never be approved of by Muslims.format_quote Originally Posted by Muslim Woman
In my country, people have these long marches etc, (block the whole traffic there) They fill up vehicles with people even sitting on buses' roofs uttering all types of slogans. (i.e. that we love Prophet so much and we will do this and that for him, but how would one know what actually is in their hearts. So such things would then be seen as hypocrisy)
People recite "naats" and have special gatherings for it, which i don't approve of.
If the Prophet's companions *who loved him far more than us) didn't do such type of things, why should we?!
Sister, this whole peer thing has very less to do with truth. I don't think peers have some special power! Yeah they might be more righteous but not like they have some supernatural powers or anything of that sort.format_quote Originally Posted by distressed
I just wanted some advice on the above.
At the weekend, there was a march where i live, basically to celebrate the above. This happens every year, and it usually has people policing the event, theres banners outside the mosque etc, but i wasnt exactly sure what happened at this event.
Whilst talking to a friend who attended the event i was a bit shell shocked at what she said, and not quite sure what to make of it all, so just wanted clarifcation.
Basically a local guy who is known as a peer, (although it wasnt passed down to him through family, he ended up gaining the "seat " through the previous person passing away) has a religious gathering at his house, on the day, the men usually hug and kiss each other, I thought this wasnt allowed in islam ?
also the women who are seated separately, they recite things and read, but this peer's wife sits on a chair and every1 else has to sit on the floor, when some1 addresses her, they hav to kiss her hand ? and sit near her feet. Also the women amongst themselves apparently show affection through the kissing of hands/neck area ? again i thought this wasnt islam related ? This event is quite big, and people from other areas/countries also attend.
during the procession, the peer who is to be referred to as hazraat sahib..(even by his kids?) ended up sitting in a carriage and then the people that were watching were chucking flowers at him ? followed by the long march by the men and then a gathering where some1 usually preaches.
First of all i dont acknowledge peer people, i know they may know a lot more than me, but i only look to god for guidance and worship him, i wouldnt dream of asking a so called peer to fix my problems or to worship him.
Im just curious, my questions are i thought physical contact between same sexes was only if it was family ? & even then limited. also why do the men kiss each other ? is this permissable ?
why does the peers wife hav to sit in a higher position ? doesnt this indicate that she thinks shes above every1 else ? In islam everyone is equal right ?
whats the purpose of the carriage, and the flowers ? is that waste of money ? and advertising ? also doesnt this look like that people are actually worshipping this guy ? instead of god ?
I thought in islam birthdays werent supposed to celebrated ?
doesnt hazrat mean prophet ?
This family is a strict one, the girls wear niqab etc & they are well respected in the community, and they often have the weekly mehfils at their house, but i just didnt know what make of all this.
anyone ?
This is an ignorant belief in asian countries. here many of the Muslims actually converted to Islam from Hinduism and so they still have some of these "hindu superstitions" and "beliefs" left in them.
And Allah knows best!
No one said theres a problem with 'darud and nafal fasting and salat', but picking out a day and giving it some special significance to carry out this ibadah is the problem, then turning that day into another 'Eid' is another problem. I'm pretty sure in places like bangladesh they go as far performing another Eid salah! Then you get loads of freemixing and music happening at these hindu style festivalsformat_quote Originally Posted by Muslim Woman
All this happening especially when there is not an ounce of islamic evidence to support it, let alone the fact that the greatest people of our ummah, the people who's love for rasulullah is uncomparable to anyone - the sahaba do not even mention a word about mawlid, neither do the tabieen or the tabi tabieen.
Its just an asian cultural thing
Last edited by aadil77; 06-30-2010 at 07:18 PM.
Aslamu`Alaaykum dear sistah
As far as i am aware the Prophet (saw) didnt kiss other men on the cheek , but maybe Hug,but if im wrong please correct me.
These people to me sound like theyre really high as theyre having people from around the world coming to see, you know shiekhs such as Ahmad deedat, Zakir Naik they see from different pople from different countries, and have the majority coming from different countries to see them and sis they have knowledge of their deen but i dont think they kissed anyone but im sure folks who respect them may kiss their hands but for respect not for anything else. my point is theyre in the same status as these peers you mentioned and these "both" are from the same types of people with same status just called Peers but knowledge maybe on differnt areas
There children shouldnt be calling em "Hadrat etc", theyre to be called "Father","Mother".
And i think Hadrat or Hazrat means "Sir" but correct me if im wrong someone InshaAllaah.
And if you think these guys are worshipping him then they are commiting a big Sin which is known as Shirk!.Only Allah is to be worshipped and no ONE else!
And the Kissing part i personally dont think anything is wrong unless they go kiss em on their face, i mean to respect your elders to show affection you can kiss their hands/palms. But a man kissing a man is just wrong (i dono bout women tho) but just my opinion and i know for a fact the Prophet saw didnt do this!
All the best sistah
Wa Alaaykum Salaam
Last edited by Ğħαrєєвαħ; 06-30-2010 at 08:35 PM.
Its not an exclusively asian thing - its celeberated all over the muslim world including in the arab world, west africa and indonesia.Its just an asian cultural thing
peace
In this country its mostly an asian thing, across the world asians are mostly known for celebrating itformat_quote Originally Posted by Zafran
but I know theres bound to be people from every country celebrating it
salaamformat_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
You mean in the UK its percieved to be an asian thing when in fact it happens in the muslim world widely- celeberated by many other ethnic people as well - some countries even have a public holiday on the mawlid.
peace
wow this is the first time I heard of such thing.
Hazrat doesn't mean Prophet. I think it means respected. As for peers, they look like crooks/dakus to me. I see darkness on their faces. Astaghfirullah. The true auliyah would shun such praise and attention from the masses and have nothing to do with it. No human being was better than the Prophet (saw), yet even he (saw) forbade people from over praising him.
May Allah guide them.Do not over praise me as the Christians over-praised the son of Mary. I am His slave so say: 'Allah's slave and messenger' [Al-Bukhaari and Muslim]
^ Hadhrat means "Sir" as someone respected as far as my knowledge goes sistahlol
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