From what I remember...I went to Catholic elementary school in eastern Canada when I was a wee tot. French nuns ran the place. I still have the rosary bead scars across my back to prove it.
Apparently, Catholics believe that we inherit the sin commited by Adam and Eve when they ate the forbidden fruit.
This is the purpose of Baptism in Catholicism: The cleanse the sin inherited from Adam and Eve.
The Bible does not say much about the Garden of Eden where Adam and Eve lived; but it seems to imply they had a fairly easy life. The garden had all the food they needed including the tree of life and if they kept eating from this tree they would live forever. It seems that Adam and Eve had a lot of freedom, because the only command God gave them was not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
When they disobeyed God and ate from the tree of knowledge, they disobeyed God for the first time, hence the original sin. It seems from this one act of disobedience, God knew how mankind would develop. We all suffer in this world today because of the original sin; because we continue to disobey God, we make our world full of injustice and evil.
In the spirit of praying for justice for all people.
Eric
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Just want to know about Baptism to cleanse the inherited sin. If someone (baby) dies before Baptism, could Baptism done for him?
We just trust that God will be fair and just to a baby that dies before Baptism.
It sounds as if Baptism is similar to saying the Shahada, I have heard that the sins of new Muslims are forgiven at this time. Would this be the same for a Muslim baby, if he died before being able to recite the Shahada?
Baptism is a means of forgiveness of past sins when an adult become a Christian, it is also a way of dedicating a baby to God. When the baby grows up and they are able to understand for themselves, they go through confirmation, which means they confirm for themselves the vows that the parents made on their behalf when they were baptized as an infant.
In the spirit of praying for justice for all people
Baptism is normally performed in a church by a priest or pastor. Holy water is used. The Catholic and Lutheran faith baptizes infants. Others may as well. Some denominations wait until the person is older and can make a conscious decision to be baptized.
According to the Catholic church, anyone can perform a Baptism without holy water in an emergency situation.
My understanding of Original Sin is that the sin of disobedience of Adam and Eve (eating of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil) is passed down to each and every human except for Mary, per the Immaculate Conception, and for Jesus as God Incarnate. In the Protestant faith the only way to be cleansed of one's 'Sinful Nature' is to accept Jesus as your personal saviour and to be baptized for the remission of sin. The sacrifice that Jesus made on the cross is the only acceptable means to be redeemed from sin, hence the songs such as 'Are You Washed in the Blood?' There is no concept of Original Sin in Islam and a child is not held accountable even for his own misdeeds until after he reaches puberty. Each person is accountable for his own sin, not that of his fathers.
From what I remember...I went to Catholic elementary school in eastern Canada when I was a wee tot. French nuns ran the place. I still have the rosary bead scars across my back to prove it.
Apparently, Catholics believe that we inherit the sin commited by Adam and Eve when they ate the forbidden fruit.
This is the purpose of Baptism in Catholicism: The cleanse the sin inherited from Adam and Eve.
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According to Catholicism. Original sin is the sin we inherit from the sin Adam and Eve, when they sinned in the garden. Everyone who has every existed has inherited it accept Mary and Jesus. There is no way to escape it. All you can do is believe in Christ, and doing catholic practices(Baptism, confirmation, communion, penance, priesthood, anointing the sick, and marriage), although these do not stop you from being a sinner. It just rewards you with a temporary grace, which needs to be topped up by continually doing them.
Original Sin: Collective punishment and inherited guilt for disobedience to power (not immorality).
Christ the Saviour's Sacrifice: Vicarious redemption. Endorsement of human sacrifice. Glorification of violence. Complete abandonment of personal responsibility for your actions. The idea that the death and suffering of an innocent can undo your responsibility for your wrongdoing.
Both are sick in the head, and are reasons I prefer Islam and Judaism to Christianity.
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We just trust that God will be fair and just to a baby that dies before Baptism.
It sounds as if Baptism is similar to saying the Shahada, I have heard that the sins of new Muslims are forgiven at this time. Would this be the same for a Muslim baby, if he died before being able to recite the Shahada?
Baptism is a means of forgiveness of past sins when an adult become a Christian, it is also a way of dedicating a baby to God. When the baby grows up and they are able to understand for themselves, they go through confirmation, which means they confirm for themselves the vows that the parents made on their behalf when they were baptized as an infant.
In the spirit of praying for justice for all people
God is always fair, of course.
Thank you very much for the answer, Mister Eric. But about Muslim baby who died before being able to recite the Shahada, I think this question has been answered by other participants in this thread.
From what I remember...I went to Catholic elementary school in eastern Canada when I was a wee tot. French nuns ran the place. I still have the rosary bead scars across my back to prove it.
Punishment that I got from my elementary teachers was stood in front of class. I got this punishment many time in grade 2. Always because a same fault, fought with other boys.
However, they did not only punish, but also taught me that violence is not a good way to resolve disputes. Later I stopped fighting and started learn to built good relationship with my schoolmates.
And my teachers taught me not only in school. Sometime in the evening they came to my home. Talked with my parents and gave me extra lessons. They always walked from their dormitory to my home because they didn't have vehicle. They are unmarried women.
Just like you, I studied in Catholic elementary school too, from middle of grade 1 until middle of grade 4 before I moved to Bandung city. But studied in Catholic elementary school did not change me into Catholic. My teachers never taught me anything about their religion. Honestly, in religious tolerance, they are amazing.
Without question, some of these Catholic institutions are exemplary in their academic standards....at least, in my area there are.
Top notch education.
I know.
Sometime I and other Muslims in my place discuss about academic standard in Catholic school. But unfortunately, we are not people who able to establish a school.
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