I wanted to have a discussion with those muslims who would call themselves 'moderate' or 'secular'. It is very important that we understand the position of Islam in our lives.
Insha'Allah we will also cover issues such as music, movies, and the secular lifestyle.
We should remember that Islam is the moderate path. Hence, Muslims have no need for labels such as conservative or secular. Islam is the complete and balanced system that will grant us success in this world and the next.
Last edited by Ansar Al-'Adl; 04-22-2005 at 11:39 PM.
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik]
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format_quote Originally Posted by SalafiFemaleJih
Islamic songs with haraam music allowed in Islam? some say "If its spreading the word of Islam, then its allowed"
With regards to music, there are several restrictions and limitations in Islam, which emphasize one's purpose in life and discourage attachment to such material desires.
Your question of using haraam music to promote Islam is a very good question. Certain questions must be asked, eg. Why not use halal music? And we must consider the Islamic alternatives.
Haraam music would include music with waste lyrics or excessive instruments beyond the percussion permitted in Islam. If Islam has discouraged such things, then how can they be of any benefit in bringing people to Islam, irrespective of the content of the lyrics.
Simply put, Muslims should avoid such doubtful matters. Even if you think you can win hearts through rap with Islamic lyrics etc., nothing will ever wns hearts as well as the blessed message of Allah Glorified and Exalted, the Holy Qur'an.
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik]
Well, to start, do you believe in God? And to what extent does that belief permeate your heart? Is it a belief, or simply a tradition of your ancestors which you follow?
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik]
Do secular muslims see premartial sex, drinking, and things like that as haram?
It is not Al-Birr (piety, righteousness, and obedience to Allâh, etc.) that you turn your faces towards east and (or) west (in prayers); but Al-Birr is (the quality of) the one who believes in Allâh, the Last Day, the Angels, the Book, the Prophets and gives his wealth, in spite of love for it, to the kinsfolk, to the orphans, and to Al-Masâkîn (the poor), and to the wayfarer, and to those who ask, and to set slaves free, performs As-Salât, and gives the Zakât, and keep their word whenever they make a promise, and who are patient in extreme poverty and ailment (disease) and at the time of persecution, hardship, and war. Such are the people of the truth and they are Al-Muttaqûn (the pious).
I think the question is not what is regarded as haraam or not (since the Qur'an is very clear on these issues), but how important the laws of the Qur'an are to secular Muslims. Many probably don't care, and see it only as a tradition of their ancestors.
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik]
Many probably don't care, and see it only as a tradition of their ancestors.
Then what is the point that they consider them haram? In other words, they don't mind getting into haram?
It is not Al-Birr (piety, righteousness, and obedience to Allâh, etc.) that you turn your faces towards east and (or) west (in prayers); but Al-Birr is (the quality of) the one who believes in Allâh, the Last Day, the Angels, the Book, the Prophets and gives his wealth, in spite of love for it, to the kinsfolk, to the orphans, and to Al-Masâkîn (the poor), and to the wayfarer, and to those who ask, and to set slaves free, performs As-Salât, and gives the Zakât, and keep their word whenever they make a promise, and who are patient in extreme poverty and ailment (disease) and at the time of persecution, hardship, and war. Such are the people of the truth and they are Al-Muttaqûn (the pious).
They understand that Islam prohibits such things, but they don't really care very much about what Islam prohibits and permits. They consider religion like some background name that has no impact in their lives.
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik]
They understand that Islam prohibits such things, but they don't really care very much about what Islam prohibits and permits. They consider religion like some background name that has no impact in their lives.
Don't take it the wrong way, but I want a secular muslim to confirm this.
It is not Al-Birr (piety, righteousness, and obedience to Allâh, etc.) that you turn your faces towards east and (or) west (in prayers); but Al-Birr is (the quality of) the one who believes in Allâh, the Last Day, the Angels, the Book, the Prophets and gives his wealth, in spite of love for it, to the kinsfolk, to the orphans, and to Al-Masâkîn (the poor), and to the wayfarer, and to those who ask, and to set slaves free, performs As-Salât, and gives the Zakât, and keep their word whenever they make a promise, and who are patient in extreme poverty and ailment (disease) and at the time of persecution, hardship, and war. Such are the people of the truth and they are Al-Muttaqûn (the pious).
I think it does have some impact on their lives, but only to an extent. Islam is fine when it comes to Ramadan and celebrating Eid, but when it comes to prohibition of other things that might make their lives more difficicult or challenge their current ideaology they discard it as extremity.
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