When the west speak of 'Moderate muslims" what does this really mean? Is it a practasing muslim who follows the sunnah nope, they're veiw of a 'Moderate muslim' is one who follows these principles.
Moderate Muslim in the views of the west
1.Preys
2.fasts
3.Pays Zakat
4.Hajj
The west veiw muslims who follow the sunnah of our beloved prophet(pbuh) as "Islamists" the media play on words such as the term 'Fundamentalist' now if some stranger were to ask you are you a 'Fundamentalist' what would your response be, Mine would be "Hell Yeah" how can you be a good muslim without being a 'Fundamentalist' the definition of the term 'Fundamentalist':In comparative religion, fundamentalism refers to anti-modernist movements in various religions How can someone be a good at 'math's' without following the 'Fundamentals' picture this? someone multiplying when he's supposed to be adding? sounds stupid eh? so just like the example I gave a muslim who isn't a fundamentalist isn't a good muslim. Also in my personal opinion they're no such thing as a 'Moderate muslim' living today cause lets just look at the ummah if we were moderate would we be like this, we're not moderates because were dunya people Bring the best of the best living today they also fall into this catagorey. Just look at the Sahaba they were moderates they had a balance of both but today we lack this balance more often towards dunya. So whats yourt views on this guys?
It's about perspective. To some YOU are a moderate.
True but we need to look at the religion as a whole, allah asks of us certain things and tells us to obey the prophet(pbuh). Sadly what I see of muslims who cliam to be 'Moderates' are the sisters who don't wear Hijab and the brothers who drink ect I know everyone isn't like this but today's muslims we neglect our afterlife for this dunya and a moderate muslim wouldn't do this they'd do both.
Fundamental muslim - The one who upholds the fundamentals of Islam (whereva he travels he performs his salaat, carries his miswaak and his women are veiled)
Extremist muslim - Those who echoe the sentiments of jihaad which is supposed to be INBORN in a believer (ALLAHU AKBAR)
^^ MAY ALLAH GIVE ME THE THAWFIQ TO BE THIS ONE INSHAALLAH!! AMEEN!
Radical Muslim - the one who reflects the beautiful appearance of Muhammad saws
Info obtained from Suliman Mulla's talk!
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My tears testify that i have a heart
yet i feel me and shaytan never part
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wallahi i dont care what people say but i find it an honour to be called an extremist (lol this is what everyone pretty much calls me)
why? because i follow the sunnah in everyway i can!!!!! , i sleep on da floor, sit on da floor, dress like a muslim, speak arabic even in front of my colleagues so ye they think im a extremist wateva.
i say EVERYONE SHOULD BE WHAT THEY CALL AN "EXTREMIST" IN THE WEST DUE TO THE WESTS CORRUPT VIEW!
but realise in the quran it says we should do everything in moderation therefore lets NEVER lose sight of the sunnah inshaAllah.
may ALlah guide us Ameen!
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My tears testify that i have a heart
yet i feel me and shaytan never part
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wallahi i dont care what people say but i find it an honour to be called an extremist (lol this is what everyone pretty much calls me)
why? because i follow the sunnah in everyway i can!!!!! , i sleep on da floor, sit on da floor, dress like a muslim, speak arabic even in front of my colleagues so ye they think im a extremist wateva.
i say EVERYONE SHOULD BE WHAT THEY CALL AN "EXTREMIST" IN THE WEST DUE TO THE WESTS CORRUPT VIEW!
but realise in the quran it says we should do everything in moderation therefore lets NEVER lose sight of the sunnah inshaAllah.
may ALlah guide us Ameen!
You made a good point in the wests view sunnah=Extreme so yeah it's cool when a non-muslim calls you extreme but when a scholar upon the sunnah does not so cool.
[S][/S][S][/S]Western people have problems with the following:
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Fundamental muslim - The one who upholds the fundamentals of Islam (whereva he travels he performs his salaat, carries his miswaak and his women are veiled)
Extremist muslim - Those who echoe the sentiments of jihaad which is supposed to be INBORN in a believer (ALLAHU AKBAR)
^^ MAY ALLAH GIVE ME THE THAWFIQ TO BE THIS ONE INSHAALLAH!! AMEEN!
Radical Muslim - the one who reflects the beautiful appearance of Muhammad saws
Info obtained from Suliman Mulla's talk!
I think you have a point. As a Western Christian I have difficulty understanding what constitutes a Muslim or what type of Muslim a person is. I think that Christians pretty much agree about the labels assigned to them (liberal, fundamental). My husband claims to be Muslim but a lot of the information I'm learning from this forum and other sites lead me to believe that he doesn't fit the definition of a Muslim. I now think that he may be an apostate, but he got mad when I asked him.
Since there isn't an agreement on what a muslim actually is (it may be that I don't understand) I think as a non-muslim I have to believe that anyone who claims to be a muslim is one.
Fear makes strangers of people who would be friends.
[S][/S][S][/S]Western people have problems with the following:
Quote:
Fundamental muslim - The one who upholds the fundamentals of Islam (whereva he travels he performs his salaat, carries his miswaak and his women are veiled)
Extremist muslim - Those who echoe the sentiments of jihaad which is supposed to be INBORN in a believer (ALLAHU AKBAR)
^^ MAY ALLAH GIVE ME THE THAWFIQ TO BE THIS ONE INSHAALLAH!! AMEEN!
Radical Muslim - the one who reflects the beautiful appearance of Muhammad saws
Info obtained from Suliman Mulla's talk!
I think you have a point. As a Western Christian I have difficulty understanding what constitutes a Muslim or what type of Muslim a person is. I think that Christians pretty much agree about the labels assigned to them (liberal, fundamental). My husband claims to be Muslim but a lot of the information I'm learning from this forum and other sites lead me to believe that he doesn't fit the definition of a Muslim. I now think that he may be an apostate, but he got mad when I asked him.
Since there isn't an agreement on what a muslim actually is (it may be that I don't understand) I think as a non-muslim I have to believe that anyone who claims to be a muslim is one.
If a person wants to be call as a Muslim, just treat him as one. His deeds, sins, merits are between him and God. We human being cant judge who is accepted by God and who is not.
I think we need to be cautious about how we go about labelling ourselves: if the word "extremist" denotes someone involved with acts of terrorism, then it would be better to avoid associating ourselves with the word. We can explain to non-Muslims the baselessness behind many of these names, but we cannot use them before a proper understanding has occurred. We might be able to ignore or alter what meaning is given to these words, but to many, those meanings are real and the use of such words will only reinforce negative stereotypes.
I think we need to be cautious about how we go about labelling ourselves: if the word "extremist" denotes someone involved with acts of terrorism, then it would be better to avoid associating ourselves with the word. We can explain to non-Muslims the baselessness behind many of these names, but we cannot use them before a proper understanding has occurred. We might be able to ignore or alter what meaning is given to these words, but to many, those meanings are real and the use of such words will only reinforce negative stereotypes.
I think the only problem for the Westerners are the terrorists claiming to be doing Allah's will and killing innocent people in such gruesome ways....I dont think most people have any problem with devout muslims who dont murder people....
modearte muslims are really muslims who follow Muhammed as He used moderation.
what we see in west is not moderation but modernisation
Our Lord! Verily, we have heard the call of one calling to Faith: 'Believe in your Lord,' and we have believed.
Our Lord! Forgive us our sins and expiate from us our evil deeds, and make us die (in the state of righteousness) along with Al-Abrar
I think we need to be cautious about how we go about labelling ourselves: if the word "extremist" denotes someone involved with acts of terrorism, then it would be better to avoid associating ourselves with the word. We can explain to non-Muslims the baselessness behind many of these names, but we cannot use them before a proper understanding has occurred. We might be able to ignore or alter what meaning is given to these words, but to many, those meanings are real and the use of such words will only reinforce negative stereotypes.
I understand I never ment we call our selfs extreme
In Injil Isa said "But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also....But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
We are not judges...Allah is THE judge...he can do it without our help!!
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