How do you disbelieve in Allah, seeing that you were dead and He gave you life! Then He will cause you to die, then He will give you life, then unto Him you will return. [Al Qur'an (2:28)]
How do you disbelieve in Allah! How do you commit this act of kufr? How do you cover up this reality (the reality of Allah), seeing that you were dead - you were lifeless, not existing, not known or mentioned - and He gave you life?
How do you disbelieve in Allah! How with unlimited number of question marks and exclamation marks. This statement demonstrates how strange and unnatural this act of kufr (disbelief) is, being aware that one did not exist before and thus ignoring the Cause of existence. How would you disbelieve in the One Who gave you life and will cause you to die? And not only that but will give you life again and then calls you for accountability.
How do you disbelieve in Allah! How do you inflate yourselves with false pride, which is the main key of kufr [1], knowing that you were dead and will certainly go back to that state? Being aware of your beginning and of your end, and seeing that you have no control over both, you are indeed expected to be humble without having one iota of pride. How do you disbelieve in Allah! How come you are unthankful to the One Who endowed you with the bounty of life and what it contains! Who endowed you with the faculties of hearing, seeing and understanding. In fact, humans are completely enveloped by God's favors. Thankfulness is the befitting and expected act from you not kufr (ungratefulness).
When we see an individual treating his or her mother badly, we become astonished and hate that kind of behavior. Surely our astonishment and hatefulness of such behavior increase when we realize the continuous effort of the mother and the care she provides her child with. The action of such individual is clearly a severe act of ungratefulness. And if this is the case, then what about the One Who created us and our mothers, the One Who provides for us and for our mothers? It becomes then clear that the act of ignoring the favors of Allah (glory be to Him) exceeds all limits of injustice and ungratefulness. Ignoring the favors of the Creator is surely a crime beyond description.
In fact, if Allah is not thanked whom else will be thanked? If Allah is not obeyed whom else will be obeyed? And it Allah is not worshiped whom else will be worshiped?
How do you disbelieve in Allah! How do you disbelieve in the One Who is that great (all greatness) and, Who is that able (all ability)! How do you disbelieve in the One Who brought you to existence and Who is to recreate you after death! How do you disbelieve in the One Who owns you fully and nothing happens in the universe except as a result of His will? He is indeed the One to be conscious of and the One to be respected. How do you disbelieve in the One Whom you will return to for accountability and there is no escape from meeting Him?
Allah is indeed our Owner. We are His property. A property that is completely dependent and is disparately in need of its Owner. And an Owner Who is in no need to His property and His property does not in any way increase His unlimited richness.
How do you disbelieve in Allah! How do you deny the resurrection and accountability, knowing that you were dead and Allah gave you life? It is extremely ignorant to doubt the ability of Allah (glory be to Him) - the One Who originated you to give you life again. And it is also foolish to ignore the seriousness and purposefulness that is ingrained in creation that strongly point out towards eventual accountability.
How do you disbelieve in Allah! How do you commit shirk (worshiping others with Allah or giving the attributes of Allah to others), which is one of the severest forms of kufr, whereas Allah is the only One Who gave you life, the only One that will cause you to die then live again, and the only One that will bring you for full accountability.
The Prophet (peace be upon him) defined shirk saying- "That you make somebody or something similar to Allah, while He created you." In the Qur'an Allah (glory be to Him) says: "Yet they ascribe as partners unto Him the jinn . Although He did create them, they falsely, having no knowledge, attributed to Him sons and daughters. Glorified be He and exalted above (all) that, they ascribe (unto Him)," 6:100. We notice here, in the Qur'anic verse and the Prophet's saying, the exclamation about the act of giving the attributes of Allah or describing Him in human terms (attributing to Allah human qualities), while Allah is the Only Creator.
How do you disbelieve in Allah! How do you deny the existence of the Creator, while you are created and surely you have not created yourselves? Also nothingness can not be the Cause of your existence. How do you deny the Cause of your existence? It is like a machine denying the existence of its maker and not obeying his or her commands.
It the universe and what it contains is not enough for any sane individual, proving the existence of the Creator, then there are only two possibilities. First, the individual's mind is not functioning right, which means that the individual's faculty of understanding is shielded by various desires and self interest. The second possibility is that there is a problem of conception. If the individual views God, for example, as a trinity or as a white bearded being located at one of the far planets or stars, then how would one prove the existence of such being!
In reality Atheism (denying the existence of God) grows and flourishes in environments or situations where wrong beliefs are being inherited or adopted. In a society where mysticism, for example, is prevalent and being practiced one would certainly find people reacting properly or improperly to such nonsense, going to various directions like Atheism, Agnosticism or rarely the correct belief and understanding.
At times one hears some Muslims talking about the difficulty to prove the existence of God which is indeed unexpected and saddening. This kind of claim should only come from people following and promoting other belief systems that are not based on understanding and evidence. This is because if such people prove the existence of God logically, they would be unable to continue this process for unproven illogical other aspects, like for example, the trinity or the attributes claimed to be acquired by the so called saints.
Proving the existence of God is so simple to demonstrate and understand. One does not need to have a special experience, study or training. What is needed is simply the life experience of being here surrounded with the universe and its components (including humans and their life supporting systems).
Some people also claim that the belief in God is something internal; that is based on one's internal feelings. Surely the human nature, the built-in nature (the Fitrah), is a factor in the individual confirmation of the existence of God, but it is certainly not the only evidence. Furthermore, the human's built-in nature can be covered up with all kinds of whims and desires and thus becomes unable to function property. Therefore, depending on the inner feelings as the sole factor of proving the existence of God is clearly erroneous.
What can be said here is that the Fitrah, the uncorrupted built-in nature of the human, resonates happily with the Truth. It resonates greatly with the overwhelming evidence proving the existence of the Creator and describing His unimaginable great attributes.
On the assumption that was , I personally disbelieve because there is no evidence for the existence of God that I find remotely convincing. There is however much evidence the other way, not least of which is infamous "problem of evil". I've seen all the 'responses' to that one - Ansar has linked to the most common in the "why are children born handicapped" thread - and find them totally unsatisfactory, verging on desperate.
This is the true message.
It is the truth. Allah is The True Lord, The Lord of the universe, The Lord of the 'alamin (makind,jinn and all that exists).
Allah is The All-Knower of the unseen and the seen, The All-Knower of all the things.
There is no deity worthy of worship except Allah.
Prophet Muhammad sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam is the believeing slave and the final messenger of Allah
How do you disbelieve in Allah, seeing that you were dead and He gave you life! Then He will cause you to die, then He will give you life, then unto Him you will return. [Al Qur'an (2:28)]
On the assumption that was , I personally disbelieve because there is no evidence for the existence of God that I find remotely convincing. There is however much evidence the other way, not least of which is infamous "problem of evil". I've seen all the 'responses' to that one - Ansar has linked to the most common in the "why are children born handicapped" thread - and find them totally unsatisfactory, verging on desperate.
Let's use logic for a change to prove a God exists:
Then why post it in a debating forum? The purpose of this place is discussion of comparitive religion, not preaching the "true message". Whatever a poster's take on that may be. Or so I thought, anyway!
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Let's use logic for a change to prove a God exists:
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The first link is a very good ebook that logically proves God exists.
"A change"?!!
There is no "logical proof" that God exists, only flawed attempts. Likewise there is no logical proof that He doesn't exist, only flawed attempts. Philosophers and theologians have been having a stab at both since long before Mohammed was born.
There is no "logical proof" that God exists, only flawed attempts. Likewise there is no logical proof that He doesn't exist, only flawed attempts. Philosophers and theologians have been having a stab at both since long before Mohammed was born.
Brother, the existence of God can never be proved.
We Muslims believe in the unseen, as God has ordered us to do so.
That is what is called faith, believing in the unseen.
Sadly some disbelievers will believe when it's too late ie, Judgement Day
I thought all foolishness can only be expiated by/at death? When we all have a chance to see truth......
لَقَدْ كُنتَ فِي غَفْلَةٍ مِّنْ هَذَا فَكَشَفْنَا عَنكَ غِطَاءكَ فَبَصَرُكَ الْيَوْمَ حَدِيدٌ {22}
[Shakir 50:22] Certainly you were heedless of it, We have removed your veil, your sight today is sharp........
:eek:
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
for a very long time I did also..... but then one day I woke up and thought... what would God want me to do with the fact that I know of him? how do I show gratitude or open communication? and it hit me...... prayer is a constant open communication... sadly I never prayed before my twenties....... I was missing much......
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
for a very long time I did also..... but then one day I woke up and thought... what would God want me to do with the fact that I know of him? how do I show gratitude or open communication? and it hit me...... prayer is a constant open communication... sadly I never prayed before my twenties....... I was missing much......
i pray and thank god fairly often....i just don't follow any religion or any set prayers.
i'm not saying this is right or wrong - it works for me!
each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles
question authority
I hope I didn't give you the impression that what I am doing is right or what you are doing is wrong.... maybe God won't accept any of my prayers who knows? I however was trying to relate to your experience....... for a long time I just believed in God and that was it.....
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
I hope I didn't give you the impression that what I am doing is right or what you are doing is wrong.... maybe God won't accept any of my prayers who knows? I however was trying to relate to your experience....... for a long time I just believed in God and that was it.....
no, i didn't think that. i just felt a need to clarify - don't know why!
each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles
question authority
Allah states in the Holy Qur'an:
"... whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy Hand-hold, that never breaks..." (Qur'an 2:256).
Allah states:
"The Religion in the sight of Allah is Islam."(Qur'an 3:19)
In another verse of the Holy Qur'an, Allah states:
"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (Submission to Allah), Never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (their selves in the hell fire)."(Qur'an 3:85)
In addition, Islam is the only religion prevailing over all other religions. Allah states in the Holy Qur'an:
"To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety:..." (Qur'an 5:48)
I have not read any post in this thread because I find that the question insults. By asking "how DO you disbelieve in Allah" it is asking to put the mind towards black magic.
I will not answer. I will only state insha Allah no more questions of this nature will ever be asked.
mu'asalam
Now I read the first post and see it is a direct translation from Qur'an: is there any better translation?
Seeing that I am that I became alike to dead only by reading that translation? But is that not what Qur'an and ahadith may alone impart. So thereby it is valid that I disputed the thread being so titled without such therein being identified.
mu'asalam
mu'asalam
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At first I was quite taken back at how you could have found the thread title so offensive.
Now, after looking at it and trying to see different ways it could be seen, I think I see why it offended you. It can be taken as an attack on an Allah(swt) believing person, insinuating that the person does not believe in Allah(swt). That is if a person views it as being intended for all people and not directed at Athiests.
Another possibility it can be viewed that the thread is an instruction manual to teach a person how not to believe in Allah(swt)
This is an excellent example of how different people can see the exact same words and come to such different conclusions.
Perhaps this may be a reason why some people do not believe in Allah(swt). We all tend to interpret what we see in different manners. Perhaps that is why what makes so much sense to some people is meaningless to others.
On the assumption that was , I personally disbelieve because there is no evidence for the existence of God that I find remotely convincing.
Believing is something that is done without evidence.
There is however much evidence the other way, not least of which is infamous "problem of evil". I've seen all the 'responses' to that one - Ansar has linked to the most common in the "why are children born handicapped" thread - and find them totally unsatisfactory, verging on desperate.
I take it you're refering to the riddle of Epicurus which asks: Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able, then he is not omnipotent. Is he able but not willing, then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing, then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing, then why call him God?
Well God created us with freedom of choice. This allowed us to acquire the highest ranks but at the same time the lowest depths. One couldn’t see this as malevolent on his part, since we have the responsibility of our own evil acts. The reason Allah (s.w.t) doesn’t stop us from using our freedom of choice negatively is because that would defeat the purpose of creating us with that freedom. Allah (s.w.t.) wants to test us, separate those who will use their freedom negatively from those who’ll use it positively. of course not everything "bad" on this world is due to people. As for the things people aren’t responsible for. I can see how you would describe them as bad. And I understand if one of them hits you personal that you experience it as a bad and unfortunate event. But you judge them as such because you fail to consider two basic pieces into this puzzle. First of all, this puzzle is all about people being created by a creator. We’re given an existence and a limited stay on this earth. Holding a grudge against your creator because your stay here is limited doesn’t make sense. Since this limited stay is a test, the end of a person’s stay is covered under the veil of death. Would it not be covered, then it would ruin the “test” for the rest of us that stay behind; thus making religion obvious rather then a question of believe. The second thing you missed out is that this puzzle claims that death is a transition, and that everybody will be rewarded according to what they earn after it. That puts the “disaster” into perspective.
Well that still doesn’t cover “all” bad things. What about the people who aren’t killed by a natural disaster, but left wounded or sick without their family homeless and starving. Why is there so many suffering who does death occur so slow?
Again, the bad nature of those things are relative. For some people a slow death might give them the opportunity to repent for their sins. And when facing death, even an atheist will start to pray. So consider that relatively long death in perspective to an infinite afterlife in either hell or heaven. Then consider that the length of dieing might have an influence in that destination. Another factor to consider is that our sufferings might have a weight in the scales of judgment. A person with nothing then hardships has had a different test then a person with a picture-perfect life. And just like a written exam in school, exams are meant to test a person, not to test the persons luck with the questions he is dealt. So if different students get different questions their grade is not a simple sum of the number of questions they got right, the weight of the questions matters to. As demonstrated in the following hadith about sickness for example:
“Whenever a hardship affects the Muslim, he will be forgiven for it even when he is picked by a spike.” (Reported by Muslim).
Ummu as-Sa'ib cursed fever, to which the Prophet (p.b.u.h.) told her: 'Do not curse fever, for it takes away the sins like the blaze (fire) takes away the impurities of iron.' (Reported by Muslim)
Now, I can understand that since you don't believe in all these things like the afterlife and so on which I build my answer on that you hence don't hold a lot of value to my response. However I think you'll be forced to agree that If you have an argument against Islam, then that argument is flawed when it doesn't take under consideration all the difrent aspects whitin Islam.
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