I seek refuge in Allah (The One God) from the Satan (devil) the cursed, the rejected
With the name of ALLAH (swt) -The Bestower Of Unlimited Mercy, The Continously Merciful
Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh (May the peace, mercy and blessings of Allah be upon you)
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In the Quran, God directs Muslims to call readers of the Bible back to that true faith.
God have said in the Quran:
Say: “O people of the Book (Christians and Jews)! Come to a word that is just between us and you:
that we shall worship none but God, ]/b]and that we shall [u]associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords beside God.” (Quran, 3:64)
This article1 has been taken from the web site of Br. Shabir Ally, Islam Answers Back, with some editing.
John quotes Jesus as saying: “...the Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28). And Paul declares that the head of every woman is her husband, the head of every man is Christ, and the head of Christ is God (see 1 Corinthians 11:3).
... Peter must have known that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob never spoke of a Triune God. They always spoke of God as the only God. Here, as in Matthew 12:18, Jesus is the servant of God. Matthew tells us that Jesus was the same servant of God spoken of in Isaiah 42:1.
The Reality of JESUS
1. . God Is All Knowing.....But Jesus Was Not
When speaking of the Day of Judgement, Jesus clearly gave evidence of a limitation on his knowledge when he said, "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the son, but the Father." (Mark 13:32 and Matt. 24:36) But God knows all.
2. God Is All-Powerful.....But Jesus Was Not
While Jesus performed many miracles, he himself admitted that the power he had was not his own but was derived from God when he said, "Verily, verily I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do..." (John 5:19).
3. God Does Not Have A God.....But Jesus Did Have A God
God is the ultimate judge and refuge for all, and He does not call upon nor pray to any others. But Jesus acknowledged that there was One whom he worshipped and to Whom he prayed when he said, "I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." (John 20:17).
He is also reported to have cried out while on the cross, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matt. 27:46). If Jesus were God, then couldn't this be read, "Myself, myself, why hast thou forsaken me?".
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Christ will never be proud to reject to be a slave to God .....holy Quran, chapter Women , 4: 172
I could have sworn that I replied to this post yesterday ...
Hmmm, in case I was mistakes, here it is my reply:
Greetings, Muslim Woman
I too worship the One God, the creator of all life, who made his convenants through the prophets Moses and Abraham.
Peace
hi glo,
but do you truly?
i dont want this to sound insulting but if you believe God to be part of a trinity, that jesus and the holy spirit deserve to be worshipped along with God, as part of God then are you truly worshipping him sincerely and singling him out in worship or are you worshipping others besides God as the muslims would say you are?
the pagans of mekkah said the same thing, that they worshipped Allah but through intermediaries, but you just like them association partners instead of worshipping God alone.
peace be upon those who follow righteous guidence,
Abu Abdullah
Dawud_UK, to disagree should mean no offense, I don't think. When people who introduce Muslim & Christian & Jewish religions talk about the same "god" in all, I wonder how a Muslim could agree, since the Christian definition of god is much different.
But to view a trinitarian approach to the Christian god as "intermediaries" is to misunderstand how Christians view God.
i dont want this to sound insulting but if you believe God to be part of a trinity, that jesus and the holy spirit deserve to be worshipped along with God, as part of God then are you truly worshipping him sincerely and singling him out in worship or are you worshipping others besides God as the muslims would say you are?
peace be upon those who follow righteous guidence,
Abu Abdullah
Yes, I truly believe in One God, Abu Abdullah.
I don't worship Jesus and the Holy Spirit along with God. They are not intermediaries, they are a part of God ... the One God, whom I love, worship and serve!
Amen.
Peace
Peace glo
Here I stand.
I can do no other.
May God help me.
Amen.
Come, let us worship and bow down •
and kneel before the Lord our Maker
[Psalm 95]
I hope you both don't mind me jumping into discussion...
format_quote Originally Posted by Dawud_uk
i dont want this to sound insulting but if you believe God to be part of a trinity
we don't believe God is a PART of Trinity. God IS Trinity
that jesus and the holy spirit deserve to be worshipped along with God
along FATHER (I think that was what you meant). Holy Spirit is God, Jesus is God, Father is God, God is God.
as part of God then are you truly worshipping him sincerely and singling him out in worship or are you worshipping others besides God as the muslims would say you are?
so you are saying we should worship 1/3 of God? ..don't answer - it's just a joke.
Form my point of view we don't differ in number of Gods we worship, we differ when we speak about His nature.
peace be with you Abu Abdullah
ps: what have happend to your rose Glo???
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The people walking in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death a light has dawned.
the point is from a muslim point of view, and we believe from God's point of view you are associating partners with God, you of-course disagree which is fine we cant force you to believe.
I feel your frustration ...
It has first been described in scripture:
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written:
"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."
[...]
We preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength. (1Corinthians 18-19 and 23-25)
There is no obligation for you to either believe or understand the Christian faith.
Peace, brother
Peace glo
Here I stand.
I can do no other.
May God help me.
Amen.
Come, let us worship and bow down •
and kneel before the Lord our Maker
[Psalm 95]
I feel your frustration ...
It has first been described in scripture:
There is no obligation for you to either believe or understand the Christian faith.
Peace, brother
to be fair glo he was mostly qouting what christians believe to be the words of jesus, you qouted from paul who most non christians accept twisted christianity out of all recognition of the original message of jesus.
to be fair glo he was mostly qouting what christians believe to be the words of jesus, you qouted from paul who most non christians accept twisted christianity out of all recognition of the original message of jesus.
You forget to mention that the entire NT is corrupted, Abu Abdullah - thereby deeming this whole conversation pointless ...
Are you saying that some parts of the NT (perhaps the ones who fit Muslims thinking more than others) are less corrupted than others???
I think it is all or nothing.
I believe the entire NT represents the basis for Christian teaching:
(Mind you, this is Paul speaking again ... oops!! )
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. (2 Timothy3:16-17)
What do you think? Is it all? Or nothing?
Peace, brother.
Peace glo
Here I stand.
I can do no other.
May God help me.
Amen.
Come, let us worship and bow down •
and kneel before the Lord our Maker
[Psalm 95]
You forget to mention that the entire NT is corrupted, Abu Abdullah - thereby deeming this whole conversation pointless ...
Are you saying that some parts of the NT (perhaps the ones who fit Muslims thinking more than others) are less corrupted than others???
I think it is all or nothing.
I believe the entire NT represents the basis for Christian teaching:
(Mind you, this is Paul speaking again ... oops!! )
What do you think? Is it all? Or nothing?
Peace, brother.
not quite,
i do believe it to be a corrupted compilation of corrupted documents but i am only pointed out to you as are others that JC (pbuh) according to you and your religion didnt believe in the things you and others believe in.
it would like qouting darwin or mao to show a darwinist or maoist why the theories they follow are false.
i do believe there is general good in the bible but it is mixed in with a lot of falsehood and hence why i dont follow it as a book from God, but dont worry! God would not leave humanity without help and you have the final and last testiment from God - the Quran!
peace be upon those who follow righteous guidence,
Abu Abdullah
I feel your frustration ...
It has first been described in scripture:
There is no obligation for you to either believe or understand the Christian faith.
Peace, brother
I believe in Jesus Christ. He's one of the greatest Prophets. - But what i don't see is how some Christians percieve Jesus to be God. This alone shows you're not following his message, But you've decided you know best.
Sat Shri Akal (God is Truth)
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
The opposite of Tawhid is expressed by the Arabic term Shirk (polytheism), derived from the root Sh-r-k which conveys the notion of “sharing” or “partnerships.”
The word Sharik (plural shurakaa) means “partner” or “associate.” It encompasses far more than the more blatant forms of idolatry and denial of Allah’s Unity.
The term Shirk means associating partners with Allah, and the related term mushrik is applied to someone guilty of such polytheistic association.
Christ will never be proud to reject to be a slave to God .....holy Quran, chapter Women , 4: 172
I feel your frustration ...
It has first been described in scripture:
There is no obligation for you to either believe or understand the Christian faith.
Peace, brother
I read Bible long ago...i remember few verses...writing from memory; so it won't be the same words but meaning is same.
Bible tells u that God is very jealous & He will take revenge if anyone worship any diety besides One God. So, why take risk & associate partner with Him ? I m not asking anyone to accept Islam but pl. don't worship anyone besides God. I read that many Chrisitans don't believe that Jesus (p) is God but they are still religious Christians & holding senior positions in the Church.
So, pl give a serious thought about worshipping 2 other dieties besides One God. Remember ur own holy book that God is very jealous & wont' tolerate any partner.
Christ will never be proud to reject to be a slave to God .....holy Quran, chapter Women , 4: 172
[B]These born again Christians twist things around.
by "these" you me me?
I'm not a "born again" (in the meaning you give to this words...) Christian. (btw: why do you think so?).
If that interests you I have Catholic background.
as for "twisting" things - I just wrote about basic dogma of Christianity.
...having a second thought. Bible is corrupted -> Christianity is illogical -> twisted dogmas -> Christians twist things around.
It makes sense now...
But what i don't see is how some [emphasis mine]Christians percieve Jesus to be God.
Most would be more accurate. (nontrinitarian Christians - about 28800000. that's around 2.7%. source: adherents.com and my calculator)
Are 97% "some"?
I read that many Chrisitans don't believe that Jesus (p) is God but they are still religious Christians & holding senior positions in the Church.
that would be quite hard. As hard as to be an imam and not believe in Quran to be word of God.
So, why take risk & associate partner with Him ?
but from our point of view we worship ONLY God!
"you shall have no other gods before me", isn't it the first commandment?
The people walking in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death a light has dawned.
I'm abit surprised that Muslims would not understand more how Christians feel when others misunderstand our faith. Many Canadians, and by a Brit survey, Brits (and I assume Americans too) misunderstand Islam.
It is probably worth taking the time to understand the Christian doctrine of God. The earliest Christian writings are by Paul, and he was a worshipper of Jesus, and called Jesus "Lord," quoting verses from the Old Testament where "Lord" was the holy name for God.
You can disagree with the trinity. You can say, "I get what Christians are saying, and it is still idolatry." But please don't misrepresent it. Part of respect is seeking to understand, even if we think it is wrong, idiotic, or flawed.
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that would be quite hard. As hard as to be an imam and not believe in Quran to be word of God.
---if anybody does not believe that Quran is from God , then s/he can't remain even as an ordinary Muslim , no question of become an Imam.
In a survey , it was revealed most Anglican Bishops don't believe that Jesus (p) is God. To my knowledge , few other sects of Chrisitans belief also don't worship Jesus (p) as God.
but from our point of view we worship ONLY God!
"you shall have no other gods before me", isn't it the first commandment?
Of Course , If u take more deities besides One God , u r disobeying ur holy book , u r making God angry as described in ur own holy Book. God has no partner . If u listen to debate/lecture of late Ahmed Deedat or Dr. Zakir Naik , u will understand that Revised Bible edited many verses that is very popular among Christians ...say about baptism ...water , fire etc . Free online videos are available .......pl. see. I saw Deedats' & Zakir's debate.
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