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    According to your religion:
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    1. How many Holy Books are acceptable so far? Which one is more accurate?
    2. Who represents your Religion today? The Body + Head?
    3. Is your Religion changeable? Or was IT Changed? By who + When?
    4. How many divisions are there within your religion? Why?
    5. Does your religion hold the Sate + Religious Authority separable or inseparable?
    6. Could the 2 heads — State + Religious Authority— be One?
    8. Should the 2 heads go complementary or in different/opposite directions?
    9 Is the Religious Authority allowed to interfere in the State affairs?
    10 Is the State allowed to interfere in the affairs of Religious Authority?
    11 Who accused the Infallible Mary — Jesus’s Mother— with the unspeakable?
    12. Who was responsible for Jesus’s crucifixion?
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    Re: Ten+2 Questions to Muslims + Christians + Jews

    I can respond for my understanding of Biblical Christianity.

    1. How many Holy Books are acceptable so far? Which one is more accurate?
    I believe that 66 "books" of the Bible are inspired by God and useful for all aspects of Christian life. I believe that other Jewish and non-Jewish writings are helpful to life and contain truth, but are not "inspired" in the same way.

    2. Who represents your Religion today? The Body + Head?
    In my view, the "head" is Christ; the "body" is the universal Church worldwide. Only the apostles' teaching as recording in the New Testament speak for us. As a worldwide community we read the Bible from our different perspectives. Tradition and Popes and Authors and Priests and Pastors and Evangelists are part of that reading, but contain no special authority except spiritual maturity.

    3. Is your Religion changeable? Or was IT Changed? By who + When?
    Christianity hasa central biblical core that is recommunicated using different metaphors and restating its myths to each new culture and generation.

    4. How many divisions are there within your religion? Why?
    Tens of thousands. Christians splinter like fine wood.
    Because we have no single theocratic head, Christians have reacted to attempts of some groups to hold that authority by splitting instead of experiencing diversity as a local community.

    5. Does your religion hold the Sate + Religious Authority separable or inseparable?
    Seperable, although faith is political, and politicians can be faithful (or unfaithful).

    6. Could the 2 heads — State + Religious Authority— be One?
    Leaders can be Christians, but that does not make them a religious authority. "Christendom" is not helpful to biblical Christianity.

    8. Should the 2 heads go complementary or in different/opposite directions?
    I think power will always corrupt spiritual leadership, and power brokers will use religion for their gains. Look at the Abbasid or the Umayyad dynasties.

    9 Is the Religious Authority allowed to interfere in the State affairs?
    The questions are becoming irrelevant to my view, since the two figures are disconnected. But Christian "authority" is biblical, so the faith community should always be critiquing the State.

    10 Is the State allowed to interfere in the affairs of Religious Authority?
    I hope not.

    11 Who accused the Infallible Mary — Jesus’s Mother— with the unspeakable?
    I don't know what that means.

    12. Who was responsible for Jesus’s crucifixion?
    The Romans. Some Jewish power brokers tried to show influence in that direction--or at least suppressing Jesus' movement. But he was killed by Roman oppressors as many Jews before and after him were.
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    Re: Ten+2 Questions to Muslims + Christians + Jews

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    3. Is your Religion changeable? Or was IT Changed? By who + When?
    are these questions for muslims too?? ^^^ nah it's not changeable! ffended:

    6. Could the 2 heads — State + Religious Authority— be One?
    khilafah!

    thats all I trust myself to answer :X
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    Re: Ten+2 Questions to Muslims + Christians + Jews

    format_quote Originally Posted by brenton View Post
    I can respond for my understanding of Biblical Christianity.

    1. How many Holy Books are acceptable so far? Which one is more accurate?
    I believe that 66 "books" of the Bible are inspired by God and useful for all aspects of Christian life. I believe that other Jewish and non-Jewish writings are helpful to life and contain truth, but are not "inspired" in the same way.

    2. Who represents your Religion today? The Body + Head?
    In my view, the "head" is Christ; the "body" is the universal Church worldwide. Only the apostles' teaching as recording in the New Testament speak for us. As a worldwide community we read the Bible from our different perspectives. Tradition and Popes and Authors and Priests and Pastors and Evangelists are part of that reading, but contain no special authority except spiritual maturity.

    3. Is your Religion changeable? Or was IT Changed? By who + When?
    Christianity hasa central biblical core that is recommunicated using different metaphors and restating its myths to each new culture and generation.

    4. How many divisions are there within your religion? Why?
    Tens of thousands. Christians splinter like fine wood.
    Because we have no single theocratic head, Christians have reacted to attempts of some groups to hold that authority by splitting instead of experiencing diversity as a local community.

    5. Does your religion hold the Sate + Religious Authority separable or inseparable?
    Seperable, although faith is political, and politicians can be faithful (or unfaithful).

    6. Could the 2 heads — State + Religious Authority— be One?
    Leaders can be Christians, but that does not make them a religious authority. "Christendom" is not helpful to biblical Christianity.

    8. Should the 2 heads go complementary or in different/opposite directions?
    I think power will always corrupt spiritual leadership, and power brokers will use religion for their gains. Look at the Abbasid or the Umayyad dynasties.

    9 Is the Religious Authority allowed to interfere in the State affairs?
    The questions are becoming irrelevant to my view, since the two figures are disconnected. But Christian "authority" is biblical, so the faith community should always be critiquing the State.

    10 Is the State allowed to interfere in the affairs of Religious Authority?
    I hope not.

    11 Who accused the Infallible Mary — Jesus’s Mother— with the unspeakable?
    I don't know what that means.

    12. Who was responsible for Jesus’s crucifixion?
    The Romans. Some Jewish power brokers tried to show influence in that direction--or at least suppressing Jesus' movement. But he was killed by Roman oppressors as many Jews before and after him were.
    Ditto. You spoke better than I.
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    ^I don't presume to speak for all Christians, but we share many things in common.
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    Re: Ten+2 Questions to Muslims + Christians + Jews




    According to your religion:
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    1. How many Holy Books are acceptable so far? Which one is more accurate?

    The Qur'an is the most authentic scripture, and then the books of hadith.



    2. Who represents your Religion today? The Body + Head?


    The Messenger of Allaah, Muhammad (peace be upon him.) The true scholars are the inheritors of the prophets, because the prophets leave knowledge.


    3. Is your Religion changeable? Or was IT Changed? By who + When?


    Nope, the Qur'an is the same as the original and will remain that way. And the sunnah is recorded in books of hadith, it's a whole science so the scholars can figure out which hadith is authentic or not.



    4. How many divisions are there within your religion? Why?


    The Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) said:

    "Indeed those from before you from the People of the Book divided into seventy-two groups. And, indeed, this group (Muslims) will divide into seventy-three. Seventy-two groups will be in the Hellfire and one of them will be in Paradise. And it is the Jamaa'ah (group)."(recorded in Ahmad)


    And in another narration, he (sal Allaahu alayhi waSalam) said:
    "Everyone of them in the Hellfire, except for one group that which I and my companions are upon." (recorded in Tirmidhi)


    5. Does your religion hold the State + Religious Authority separable or inseparable?


    The state and religious authority work together. It is the states duty to apply the islamic law.



    6. Could the 2 heads — State + Religious Authority— be One?


    Yep.



    8. Should the 2 heads go complementary or in different/opposite directions?


    Both should work together.




    9 Is the Religious Authority allowed to interfere in the State affairs?


    The religious authority and state work hand in hand.




    10 Is the State allowed to interfere in the affairs of Religious Authority?


    Nope.


    11 Who accused the Infallible Mary — Jesus’s Mother— with the unspeakable?


    can you clarify this please?


    12. Who was responsible for Jesus’s crucifixion?


    He wasn't. Jesus (peace be upon him) was raised upto Allaah, and will come back again to slay al-dajjaal - the anti christ.


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    Re: Ten+2 Questions to Muslims + Christians + Jews

    Well, Fi_Sabilillah, Mary(am) was accused of committing the monstrous thing (19:27). Needless to say that anytime+anywhere, the majority of people are manipulated by either the State or Religious Authority or both.
    It is not hard to conclude that those who did not welcome the new-born were also behind the (attempt) of crucifixion?! Who was in power then?
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    Who was in power then?
    The Romans.
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    Re: Ten+2 Questions to Muslims + Christians + Jews

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    11 Who accused the Infallible Mary — Jesus’s Mother— with the unspeakable?
    I see that I was not alone in knowing to what you were referring. Can you clarify please? Of what was Mary accused?

    And a second question if I might, do Muslims believe that Mary was infallible? If so, what do you mean by that? Do you mean never made a mistake? Was sinless? Please explicate. Thank-you.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Grace Seeker View Post
    I see that I was not alone in knowing to what you were referring. Can you clarify please? Of what was Mary accused?

    And a second question if I might, do Muslims believe that Mary was infallible? If so, what do you mean by that? Do you mean never made a mistake? Was sinless? Please explicate. Thank-you.
    I don't know what he mean's by Infallible Mary but I think this might be more of an erronous statement than something that is part of Islam.
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    Re: Ten+2 Questions to Muslims + Christians + Jews

    format_quote Originally Posted by Grace Seeker View Post
    And a second question if I might, do Muslims believe that Mary was infallible? If so, what do you mean by that? Do you mean never made a mistake? Was sinless? Please explicate. Thank-you.
    I have never heard some one call her infallible. Only the Prophets are infallible when it comes to matters of religion.

    Mary, however, is recognised as being the best woman to ever live. That is mentioned in the Quran.
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    Re: Ten+2 Questions to Muslims + Christians + Jews

    I think all muslims should answer the questions...

    lol...

    i will too but i've to copy it to word first...
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    Mary(am) was accused of fornication. But she was infallable = Sinless = never made a mistake. That's why she was chosen above all women of the world then.
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    ^Everyone, including the Prophet Muhammad pbuh makes mistakes. She wasn't an angel of some kind...
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    format_quote Originally Posted by AzizMostafa View Post
    Mary(am) was accused of fornication. But she was infallable = Sinless = never made a mistake. That's why she was chosen above all women of the world then.
    OK. With that understanding, I can now attempt a better answer of question #11.


    11 Who accused the Infallible Mary — Jesus’s Mother— with the unspeakable?
    I suspect that many of Mary(am)'s neighbors, perhaps even kin, accused her of fornication. In the Christian scriptures it appears that even Joseph had his doubts regarding Mary's purity until God sent an angel to reassure Joseph.

    However, while some Roman Catholic Christians would see Mary as sinless (and even perpetually chaste) I would concur with Malaikah's assessment that she was just as capable of sin as any other person. She was righteous, but not perfect.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by AzizMostafa View Post
    1. How many Holy Books are acceptable so far? Which one is more accurate?
    So many Holy Books given to Prophets and Messengers, and of course the big 4 - Taurat, Zabur, Injil and Al Qur'an... Al Quran is the final revelation and conclusion of all Holy Books...

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    2. Who represents your Religion today? The Body + Head?
    ... do you mean ... somebody like Pope? ... in Islam, presently ... None.

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    3. Is your Religion changeable? Or was IT Changed? By who + When?
    Nope...

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    4. How many divisions are there within your religion? Why?
    Many..... but whosoever calling himself/herself a Muslim, I'll treat him/her as one... regardless of their beliefs, rituals etc....

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    5. Does your religion hold the Sate + Religious Authority separable or inseparable?
    hmmmmmmmmmm.... inseparable...?

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    6. Could the 2 heads — State + Religious Authority— be One?
    Why not, I've seen modern people love being multi-tasking

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    8. Should the 2 heads go complementary or in different/opposite directions?
    If they have different views they can have a dialogue about it and conclude the best solution for it....

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    9 Is the Religious Authority allowed to interfere in the State affairs?
    If the State Affairs interfered in religious affairs....

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    10 Is the State allowed to interfere in the affairs of Religious Authority?
    Maybe...

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    11 Who accused the Infallible Mary — Jesus’s Mother— with the unspeakable?
    I dont know...

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    12. Who was responsible for Jesus’s crucifixion?
    Nobody... as he's not being crucified....
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    > Everyone, including the Prophet Muhammad pbuh makes mistakes. She wasn't an angel of some kind...

    Malaikah, please
    1. mention one+only one mistake made by Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w)?
    2. explain what the 2words "Is6afaki+6a7araki = chosen you, and purified you" in 3:42 of the Glorious Quran mean?
    And when the angels said, "Mary(am), God has chosen you, and purified you; He has chosen you above all women * Mary, be obedient to your Lord, prostrating and bowing before Him"..
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    1. mention one+only one mistake made by Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w)?
    Yes, the Prophets and Messengers made mistakes, but Allah did not approve of their mistakes; rather, He pointed out their mistakes as a Mercy to them and their ummahs, and He forgave their mistakes and accepted their repentance as a Grace and Mercy, for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

    Firstly: the use of the word “sin” in the question is a grave mistake, because sin is impossible in the case of the Messengers. It is more correct to say mistakes, because a mistake may be made unintentionally, which is not the case with sins.

    I think there is no need for me to show you where the Prophet made mistakes.
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    11. Who accused the Infallible Mary — Jesus’s Mother— with the unspeakable?
    12. Who was responsible for Jesus’s crucifixion?

    According to (4:154-158) of the Glorious Quran: The Jews + The Jews.
    However, only a likeness of Jesus was shown to them. God raised him up to Him
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    Re: Ten+2 Questions to Muslims + Christians + Jews

    Shalom,

    I really hate to break it all to you, but we as Jews do not believe Mary gave birth as a virgin. We believe she did have relations with someone. I am not sure who, but with someone. The belief that a virgin would give birth to some major religious figure is one that is riddled with pagan origins.
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