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    Salam

    Just wanted to enquire about the following person in Islamic history : Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.
    I believe that he was responsible (not soleley, mind) for the disestablishment of the Khilafah in 1924. If he was then are we to take that the founder of an Islamic (or shoud I say pseudo-Islamic) nation is in fact a Munafiqeen.

    What is eveyone else's views on this man?
    Isnt it also true that he helped to translate the Q'uran into modern day Turkish?
    What are the views people hold of him? ( a hero, an anti hero, or a Munafiqeenn who is suffering right now)?

    Wsalam

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    Re: Mustafa Kemal Ata-Shirk

    Asalamu alaikum warahmatullah

    Mustapha Kamaal Ataturk was a kaafir billah whom the whole ummah agreed to his apostasy. He was a secularist and secularism, its fundamental basis is the tabdeel of shariah and to replace it with man-constructed laws which is the very tabdeel of the shariah of Allah

    we have from Imaam Muhammad Naasiruddin Al-Albaanee
    Who said, in one of his earlier cassette recorded lessons, wherein he is describing an argument he had with someone about the Takfeer of Mustafah Ataturk, the secularist who converted the constitution of Turkey from the Hanafee code Sharee'ah, to the man-made laws. So Shaykh Al-Albaanee said:

    "I made clear to him (i. e. his opponent) that the Muslims did not make Takfeer to Ataturk who was Muslim. No. (They did so) when he freed himself from Islaam when he implicated upon the Muslims an institution other than the institution of Islaam. And from that was the example of his equalizing between the inheritance of the male and the female. But Allaah says according to us, 'And for the male is the share of two females. ' And then he obligated upon the Turkish masses, the Qobah (i. e. a Turkish-style hat)."
    – "Fataawa Ash-Shaykh al-Albaanee wa-Maqara'netihah bi'Fatawaa Al-' Ulaama", Pg. 263 from his cassette #171.]

    Thus Ataturk is seen as the epitome of kufr for he is the key to the dismantling of the khilafa and from that tangent, the plight of Islam and its Muslims went down the drain, but none of this has happened by sheer luck, rather this plight is from what our own hands of brought upon ourselves that most of us always like to lie to ourselves and try to overlook. The reason why the khilafa was stripped from us because the muslims themselves stripped it from their lives, from all over the muslims world, palestinians, egyptians, morrocans, lebanese, turkish, pakistan, all over, everyone left the islamic guidance and adopted the guidance of the west, so Allah gave them what they wanted.

    very few people realize or chose not to realize that the khilafa is something that is earned through Allah's pleasure, and not something that is ultimately worked for by our human efforts. that what all political groups fail to grasp may Allah guide them and us.

    but as for Kamaal Ataturk, he was definitely a kaafir, may Allah put him as the leader of the munafiqeen residing lower in the hellfire than the lowest of the low.

    asalamu alaikum
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    Re: Mustafa Kemal Ata-Shirk

    When I first studied world history in high school, I read in the history books that kemal Attaturk was the best thing that happened to Turkey, and he was a hero that modernize Turkey and Islam.

    Years later after I learned much about Islam, world political history, etc, only then I realized that my highschool history books were adapted from the western ones, and that kemal attaturk was one of the worst things that happened to Turkey and Islam.

    Laknat Allah on him, indeed
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    ^You can't get more proof than this, that western nations are out to destroy true islam - they praise enemies of islam
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    Re: Mustafa Kemal Ata-Shirk

    format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77 View Post
    Lanatullah Alayha Ataturk
    LOL! brother!

    Now you people are discussing about Mustafa Kamal Attaturk? Right? Sorry, just tried to find the shortest post first.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar View Post
    When I first studied world history in high school, I read in the history books that kemal Attaturk was the best thing that happened to Turkey, and he was a hero that modernize Turkey and Islam.

    Years later after I learned much about Islam, world political history, etc, only then I realized that my highschool history books were adapted from the western ones, and that kemal attaturk was one of the worst things that happened to Turkey and Islam.

    Laknat Allah on him, indeed
    Yeah this Kemal Ataturk abolished the Khilafah!!!

    You know, we Muslims of Indian subcontinent constantly struggled to save the Khilafa. It was called the "Khilafat movement". As a result of this movement, 18000 people or even more lost their lives.

    But Kemal Ataturk gave the final blow. HE SIMPLY ABOLISHED THE KHILAFAH!!! (all our sacrifices went in vain. Indians felt it like a slap on their faces from someone they were trying to save!)
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    Re: Mustafa Kemal Ata-Shirk

    ATATURK=ATAKUFR

    Kemalism/Kamalism = Kufr.
    During the leadership of Mustafa Kemal due to the change in global politics, the politics of religion had changed in the Turkish Republic. Mustafa Kemal had been the applicator of the works on worship in the mother tongue (New Islamism=Kemalism) between the years from 1924 until 1934, hence after 1934 as a result of the adoption of the single party governing from important more modern western countries of the era such as Italy and Germany, the Turkish Republic had wrapped itself up with a more totalitarian structure. It has also intensified its works on transforming Kemalism into an ideology and relatively a religion alongside the publication restriction it has hindered different ideas and thoughts.

    We could say Kemalism is the work of producing a form of religion or rather an Islam peculiar to the Turkish nation. With a more specific expression Kemalism is the process of “forming the new religion of the Turks” (Ducane Cundioglu, Turkce Kur’an ve Cumhuriyet Ideolojisi, 33)
    Mete Tunçay’s formula for this particular change is “The New Islamism=Kemalism” (Hasan Huseyin Ceylan, Din Devlet Iliskileri, II, 154)
    With this meaning Kemalism, has pushed aside the Orthodox Islam out of the borders of life and has tried to place it with the religious form of Kemalism along with an understanding of a new Islam shaped with secularism and nationalism. At the end of this time being as an official religion of the state, Kemalism has taken the place of Islam with a secular and national characteristic. Mustafa Kemal cared nothing about God; he was interested in himself and in Turkey. He hated God and made him responsible for Turkey's misfortune. It was God's tyrannical rule that paralyzed the hands of the Turk. But he knew that God was real to the Turkish peasant, while nationalism meant nothing. He decided, therefore, to drift God into his service as the publicity director of his national cause. Through God's aid, his people must cease to be Mohammedans and become Turks. Then, after God had served Mustafa Kemal's purpose, he could be discarded.(Emil Lengyel, Turkey, p. 134.1941, Random House)

    Grey Wolf, Mustafa Kemal: An Intimate Study of a Dictator
    H.C. Armstrong, 1934

    He was drinking heavily. The drink stimulated him, gave him energy, but increased his irritability. Both in private and public he was sarcastic, brutal and abrupt. He flared up at the least criticism. He cut short all attempts to reason with him. He flew into a passion at the least opposition. He would neither confide in nor co-operate with anyone. When one politician gave him some harmless advice, he roughly told him to get out. When a venerable member of the Cabinet suggested that it was unseemly for Turkish ladies to dance in public, he threw a Koran at him and chased him out of his office with a stick.
    p. 241:
    "For five hundred years these rules and theories of an Arab sheik," he said, "and the interpretations of generations of lazy, good-for-nothing priests have decided the civil and the criminal law of Turkey."
    "They had decided the form of the constitution, the details of the lives of each Turk, his food, his hours of rising and sleeping, the shape of his clothes, the routine of the midwife who produced his children, what he learnt in his schools, his customs, his thoughts, even his most intimate habits.
    "Islam, this theology of an immoral Arab, is a dead thing." Possibly it might have suited tribes of nomads in the desert. It was no good for a modern progressive State.
    "God's revelation!" There was no God. That was one of the chains by which the priests and bad rulers bound the people down.
    "A ruler who needs religion to help him rule is a weakling. No weakling should rule.."And the priests! How he hated them. The lazy, unproductive priests who ate up the sustenance of the people. He would chase them out of their mosques and monasteries to work like men. Religion! He would tear religion from Turkey as one might tear the throttling ivy away to save a young tree.
    p. 243:
    Further, it was public knowledge that he was irreligious, broke all the rules of decency, and scoffed at sacred things. He had chased the Sheikh-ul-Islam, the High Priest of Islam, out of his office and thrown the Koran after him. He had forced the women in Angora to unveil. He had encouraged them to dance body close to body with accursed foreign men and Christians.
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